Vikes fans that watched yesterday's game....

[Hugh 0ne]

Didn't see the game yesterday, was the play calling as terrible as it's been? Thoughts? Comments? Highlights? TIA.

[BillyBalata]

Didn't see the game yesterday, was the play calling as terrible as it's been? Thoughts? Comments? Highlights? TIA.

 

 

Well....they only had like 3 running plays in the first 3 possessions and one of those was called back due to a penalty.

 

They didn't run any of those QB rollout plays since, you know, Gus can't roll out.

 

 

Is that what you were looking for?

 

 

Bottom line here's what I saw.....It appeared we had a QB in there that could actually run the plays the way they were supposed to be ran. He seemed to be able to make his reads and find the open receiver down field. He didn't always make the best throw, but you could see they were good decisions. Hopefully he was just a little rusty and will become a little more accurate with time. But he certainly didn't suck either.

 

Shankho again dropped the first pass to him killing the first drive. However, to the entire domes amazement, he later held on to a pass and actually scored a td.

 

Berrian had one hit him in the hands that deflected in the air to a defender for an interception. There was also a td pass to Chester that was negated due to Birk holding penalty.

 

Gus did complete a long bomb to Berrian that he hauled in over his shoulder before going out of bounds, so that was another good sign.

 

The offense struggled some, but I gotta say, overall things just looked smoother with Gus in there versus Jackson.

[MrTed46]

I only saw bits and pieces of the game, but Gus looked OK...leaps better than Tavaris. ADP played and ran well, with little or no show that his hammy was bothering him. Although, after one play he seems to get up slower but that was it.

 

Berrian is overated and Chester is a great backup and can probably start with alot of teams.

[alexgaddis]

My blood pressure was down quite a bit...It was enjoyable to watch a game again...Ferotte isn't going to light the world on fire but he is capable of passing the football forward for completions and yards...a refreshing idea...

 

I think more than anyting it showed how incompetent Tarvaris was...I hope I never have to mention that name again...

 

funny how a decent QB can make the coach not appear to be a total imbecile

Edited September 22, 2008 by alexgaddis

[THE SIX KINGS]

The defense dominated the 4th quarter

[Hugh 0ne]

Thanks guys.

 

How was the 3rd down play calling? 2 yard dump offs on 3rd and 9? 50 yard incompletions on 3rd and 2?

Edited September 22, 2008 by Hugh 0ne

[Savage Beatings]

I was actually a bit underwhelmed by Frerotte. I saw some throws that made me cringe in anticipation of an INT. Still he came away with a victory so everyone is saying that he did better than Tarvaris, but I'm not so sure that Tarvaris couldn't have had exactly the same kind of game yesterday. Play calling is still pretty much the same as it has been, but they obviously were limiting Peterson somewhat. Blocking was average (not great but not terrible). It will be interesting to see what happens when McKinnie returns from suspension.

[H8tank]

but I'm not so sure that Tarvaris couldn't have had exactly the same kind of game yesterday

 

Really? Who won?

[BillyBalata]

but I'm not so sure that Tarvaris couldn't have had exactly the same kind of game yesterday.

 

 

yer funny

[Rebellab]

I listened to and watched most of the game. It was refreshing to have at least the threat of a passing game. We all know the coach and quarterback are keeping us from a deep playoff run. I was also glad to see the defense step up yesterday, which I didn't feel they had done the first two weeks.

[BillyBalata]

Thanks guys.

 

How was the 3rd down play calling? 2 yard dump offs on 3rd and 9? 50 yard incompletions on 3rd and 2?

 

 

Don't recall any plays where we went long on 3rd and 2. There were still some of the "dumpoff" plays on 3rd and 9 or so. Some of them actually successful. But I think you're always going to see that happen to some extent for teams that run the WCO...as that's incorporated into the play design some times. If the deeper routes are covered, give the ball to the guy that only has to beat one defender to get the first down.

 

But regarding the 3rd and 9 type of calls/plays...I think what we saw better was the pass going to the receiver 8 yards down field, still short of the first down marker maybe, but then him only having to make one extra yard on his own to get the first down versus having to go another 8 after catching the ball.

 

 

Again....I'm not making any claims that Gus lit the place on fire yesterday. But there was just a calmer, smoother sense to the offense yesterday. And up til seeing it yesterday, I was of the opinion that they probably put the hook to Jackson too early. I think it was pretty clear yesterday the correct decision was made.

[Big Score 1]

ADP played and ran well, with little or no show that his hammy was bothering him.

Really?

 

For me...I didn't see ADP make any of his trade mark moves. Pretty much straight line running. Gotta figure that was due to him favoring the hammy.

[Savage Beatings]

Tarvaris Week 1: 16 of 35 for for 178 yards ,1 TD, 1 INT

Tarvaris Week 2: 14 of 24 for 130 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

Frerotte Week 3: 16 of 28 for 204 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

 

That's ok, but not exactly lighting it up. Who are we kidding? It's not a hugh improvement here. Gus threw at least one pass that I recall that was so bad that I was seriously shocked that it wasn't picked off. He got lucky there. I'm not saying Tarvaris is the answer... I'm just saying that Gus is not much better (if at all).

 

edit to add Gus' INT

Edited September 22, 2008 by Savage Beatings

[Outshined]

I think Frerotte took more chances and was able to make quicker decisions finding the open receiver. The 12 minute drive in the 4th qtr was nice, but it only ended up being a field goal. It was hugh for our defense and that gave them strength in the 4th quarter. As Savage posted, it wasn't great. The offense only scored 13 points which is less than both of Jacksons game.

 

Of couse Jackson had a healty Peterson too. He looked like he didn't have the burst he usually does when he hits the hole.

 

ETA: The defense did not give up the big plays like the previous two games, instead they got one themselves. I think that ws the key to the game.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Outshined

[MrTed46]

Really?

 

For me...I didn't see ADP make any of his trade mark moves. Pretty much straight line running. Gotta figure that was due to him favoring the hammy.

 

4.5 yards a carry is good to me. Plus, he was being subbed in and out alot so its hard to get into rythm and to top it off Carolina has a decent D.

[griff321]

MN homer here. It's the same O, and it's the same plays, but we do have a QB who has at least a reasonable expectation to make the throws. MN has always been a lot like philly in it's offensive philosophy under Secret Squirrel. The only difference is execution, when the O isn't executing everything gets simple, because it's all the personnel can execute. I can't really blame Bevel for this because a big part of making it work is getting some sort of anything for the team to get excited about. Now take a look at the first Vikings drive of the fourth quarter 19 plays and 11 and a half minutes off the clock, this is what the vikings want to do on a regular basis, well change the FG to a TD, but the template is good.

 

Jackson was making the throws in preseason but after the injury he looked like his old self, which is why we started the season with not much else, and why I'm happy that secret squirrel stepped up and made the move after seeing TJack playing scared and with zero aggression.

 

Here comes the fearless prediction, we have not seen the last of Tjack. That's no stretch of the imagination. Frerotte is a 37 year old in his 15th season and he will go down at some point in the season. Tjack needs to get healthy and this will give him his chance, if he can find a way to get a shred of confidence when he returns the deck will be stacked for him and we'll see the same TJack as we did in preseason.

[TimC]

Thoughts? Comments? Highlights? TIA.

 

You will never see a Super Bowl Championship in your lifetime.

[detlef]

I watched the game because I'm in NC. So, I don't have other Vikes games to compare it to. However, not much about the Minn offense impressed me. Carolina totally let them back into it and Minn's D carried the day.

 

Calling that pick Berrian's fault is also a bit of a stretch. A great WR probably pulls that down but it was high and behind him. That was hardly a case of putting it on the money and getting screwed by your WR.

 

That said, I watched some Minn games last year and it seemed like every pass play everyone, including Jackson was gasping and hoping for the best. They had the look of a college team being led by a running QB. When dude went back to pass, you could tell they were out of their element. At least that didn't seem to be the case yesterday. Gus may have been off the mark, but he didn't seem to mind dropping back. Maybe with another week, he shakes off the rust?

 

So, from what I can tell, Minn is in better hands right now as I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see Gus start putting up some good games. Jackson was a guy that I would have been totally amazed turn it around.

[griff321]

4.5 yards a carry is good to me. Plus, he was being subbed in and out alot so its hard to get into rythm and to top it off Carolina has a decent D.

 

You'd think that by looking at the box but it's not true. AD just didn't have the explosion, the vast majority of his yards were a result of getting behind birk and hutch and running downhill. AD looked a lot like CT yesterday.

[alexgaddis]

Tarvaris Week 1: 16 of 35 for for 178 yards ,1 TD, 1 INT

Tarvaris Week 2: 14 of 24 for 130 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

Frerotte Week 3: 16 of 28 for 204 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

 

That's ok, but not exactly lighting it up. Who are we kidding? It's not a hugh improvement here. Gus threw at least one pass that I recall that was so bad that I was seriously shocked that it wasn't picked off. He got lucky there. I'm not saying Tarvaris is the answer... I'm just saying that Gus is not much better (if at all).

 

seriously???

 

 

 

 

wow...are you related to Tarvaris?

[BillyBalata]

 

seriously???

 

 

 

 

wow...are you related to Tarvaris?

 

 

[Savage Beatings]

 

seriously???

 

wow...are you related to Tarvaris?

 

What is so outrageous about my observations?

 

Did you watch some kind of parallel universe game where Gus threw for over 300 yards and multiple TDs? The only difference between what Gus Frerotte did and what Tarvaris Jackson has done... Shiancoe finally held onto the ball. Other than that, I saw pretty much the same performance at teh QB position as I have seen for the last year. Tell me how awesome Gus is. I want to believe.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

I was actually a bit underwhelmed by Frerotte. I saw some throws that made me cringe in anticipation of an INT. Still he came away with a victory so everyone is saying that he did better than Tarvaris, but I'm not so sure that Tarvaris couldn't have had exactly the same kind of game yesterday. Play calling is still pretty much the same as it has been, but they obviously were limiting Peterson somewhat. Blocking was average (not great but not terrible). It will be interesting to see what happens when McKinnie returns from suspension.

 

+1

 

Gus is not a long term solution. In the first half his passes were sailing quite a bit. Better in the 2nd half, but then again they ran more in the 2nd half. He's a stopgap and nothing more. I hope McKinnie's return helps too. I really wouldn't be shocked if they went back to Jackson if/when Frerrote starts throwing a bunch of picks. Nothing would surprise me with this team. We still need a franchise QB. I think (hope) with the stadium issue still hanging large that next year they will do whatever it takes to address the issue.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Really? Who won?

 

The Vikings defense.

[detlef]

What is so outrageous about my observations?

 

Did you watch some kind of parallel universe game where Gus threw for over 300 yards and multiple TDs? The only difference between what Gus Frerotte did and what Tarvaris Jackson has done... Shiancoe finally held onto the ball. Other than that, I saw pretty much the same performance at teh QB position as I have seen for the last year. Tell me how awesome Gus is. I want to believe.

BTW, your argument looks better if you put the INT that Gus threw in his stat line.