Seahawks21 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) There have always been complaints from the "old school" football fans about the way the game has changed over the years. Most of their complaints typically aren't things that I really have problem with, except one. Players celebrate after every other play, which never really bothered me. Players tend ro run out of bounds rather than taking on defenders, and I understand. However, there are plenty of changes out there to choose from. What is the one that most gets your panties in a bunch?? The one thing that frankly pisses me off is the number of players that pull themselves out in the middle of drives, especially in the red zone!! In every high school and college huddle after the first play of the game, there is one guy in the huddle every play that is almost in tears cause he got banged up a little, or a guy that can't catch their breath, but not once does that guy pull himself of the field if he can play. It is football. The thing you cared about most was being on that field. The worst thing on the planet would have been for the coach to take you off that field. In the "old school", you wouldn't see any NFL receiver in the league tapping his helmet after two catches. How many RBs in the league do you see trotting off the field with their team at the 12 yard line!?!? Sure, you've had a decent drive, but you get down to where your team really needs you, and you want to come out!?!? The example that got me thinking about it was Stephen Jackson last week against the Seahawks. He had a couple nice runs and a catch, and got his team into a first-and-goal situation at about the 8. Then he just trotted off the field. The game was still pretty close at that point. I was just blown away. Jamal Lewis was notorious for this in Baltimore, Edge did it in Indy. I'm not just talking about guys that get tired at the end of a long drive, but in general, the number of players that want out in the middle of drives is becoming alarming. It also seems to happen more often with players whose team is behind. It isn't fair to say that these guys aren't tough, but geez, suck it up and help your team when they need you the most. Edited September 28, 2008 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Tony Kornheiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 RBBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) Tony Kornheiser My response is along this same path... I wish the play by play and network coverage in general during prime time games was better. I just wish they would just cater to football fans instead of trying to appeal to a more general audience. And when did they start this trend of bringing some random celebrity into the booth to plug their latest movie, album, sitcom, etc.? Seriously... It's hard to even watch these broadcasts. ETA: If we're talking NFL game changes outside of how the networks cover the games, then I'd say the one thing I hate about today's NFL is the same thing I've always hate about the NFL - overtime rules SUCK. Sudden death + coin toss for posession = Edited September 28, 2008 by MTSuper7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Too many commercial interruptions that take the flow away from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 too specialized ,, i remember many to or even three way players. even QB's would punt or hold for FG's and those damn plastic helmets !! what was wrong with leather ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 RBBC good call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Not enough improvising. I liked the old days of Fran Tarkenton who would call his own plays, wouldn't throw it out of bounds if nobody is open, instead scramble around until he found somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major-tom Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The thugs and the idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The thugs and the idiots. Ding Ding - we have a winner...I change my answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Too many commercial interruptions that take the flow away from the game. +1 The timeout after the kickoff kills me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The fact that a player can't celebrate in dance with other team members in the endzone after scoring a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) RBBC Honestly, I don't think this is a new concept. To me, the 90s were the exception, not the rule. This would be an interesting topic to look into. Obviously there have always been guys that could handle the full load, but teams having a bruiser and a quicker back isn't something new. The most famous RBBC of all-time probably happened in the late 60's to early 70's with Csonka, Mercury Morris and Jim Kick in Miami. In the early days, teams would involve everyone, the fullback, halfback slot and even the ends. I guess that isn't really a RBBC, but they didn't really have one guy that would carry the load. I think Brown, Sayers, Campbell & Simpson really kind changed the game. Everybody wanted a guy like that, a guy that could be your bread and butter. I just noticed that Rudi Johnson is #72 on the all-time rushing list. That tells me that not a lot of players have been "the guy" for very long. In fact, the vast majority of guys in the top 50 played in the last twenty years. This may simply mean that guys that get tons of carries don't end up lasting very long, but it could also go to show that maybe not a lot of guys were solo acts in the past. Edited September 28, 2008 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbs0121 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Tony Kornheiser Yes, this is indeed a great annoyance... I can't speak from the perspective of an old timer as I'm just a hair above the legal drinking age, but it seems to me that the quality of sports analysis is generally quite poor. I'm more of a baseball fan to be honest, so I'll use an example from that sport - Ryan Howard this year is getting significant MVP buzz despite a .250/.338/.544 stat line. Now, while that's a very respectable season, it's far from great. Hell, it's not even enough for him to be one of the five best players on his own team. His gaudy RBI totals, the main reason for this buzz, are due in large part to hitting in a fantastic lineup that gives him a lot of opportunities to drive in runs. Compare that with Chase Utley, Howard's partner on the right side of the diamond, who has posted a .292/.380/.537 line with gold glove caliber defense at second. Seems quite obvious that even on his own team Howard isn't the MVP, yet his second half hot streak and high RBI totals have a lot of voters salivating. It's rather maddening to see him get MVP consideration when a guy like Adam Dunn, who's game is almost identical to Howard's at this point, has always been derided as a strikeout machine and a poor fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Too many commercial interruptions that take the flow away from the game. +1. Funny how the NFL bleats about speeding up the game and yet the breaks get longer and longer. Lots of commercials even during the game now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 +1 The timeout after the kickoff kills me. Bingo!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Honestly, I don't think this is a new concept. To me, the 90s were the exception, not the rule. This would be an interesting topic to look into. Obviously there have always been guys that could handle the full load, but teams having a bruiser and a quicker back isn't something new. The most famous RBBC of all-time probably happened in the late 60's to early 70's with Csonka, Mercury Morris and Jim Kick in Miami. In the early days, teams would involve everyone, the fullback, halfback slot and even the ends. I guess that isn't really a RBBC, but they didn't really have one guy that would carry the load. I think Brown, Sayers, Campbell & Simpson really kind changed the game. Everybody wanted a guy like that, a guy that could be your bread and butter. I just noticed that Rudi Johnson is #72 on the all-time rushing list. That tells me that not a lot of players have been "the guy" for very long. In fact, the vast majority of guys in the top 50 played in the last twenty years. This may simply mean that guys that get tons of carries don't end up lasting very long, but it could also go to show that maybe not a lot of guys were solo acts in the past. I wasn't doing FFB in the 60's and 70's. When I started playing FFB you could count on your RB 1 and 2 to be the foundation of your team. Now it's just more of a kinda thing. And it's all about me, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) I will say that one thing I LIKE about the current NFL is the fact that they have finally embraced the fantasy football player (and most things that cater to the FF player) rather than fear them. Maybe they have figured out that fantasy football adds a lot eyes, hence a lot of $$$, to their great league. Edited September 28, 2008 by TDFFFreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Too many commercial interruptions that take the flow away from the game. +2...if a game starts off with a bunch of penalties....the commercials always top off the bad start by dragging everything out even more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I will say that one thing I LIKE about the current NFL is the fact that they have finally embraced the fantasy football player (and most things that cater to the FF player) rather than feared them. Maybe they have figured out that fantasy football adds a lot eyes, hence a lot of $$$, to their great league. more attention is drawn because it's not overwhelming like, say Fantasy Hockey or even Fantasy Baseball... too many games to pay attention to when it's that long and you have to be on top of it almost all the time and this is why I have only ever played Fantasy Football... Football being only 16 games, makes everything perfect and even more crucial... you're either ready or you're not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 NFL Network not being on every network. If congress can bail out Wall Street bankers they can make NFL Network access a constitutional amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The deep down knowledge that something funky is probably going on when a 400 pound man could blow me away in a 40 yard dash. Otherwise not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I hate the rookie contracts doled out to the top 10 players chosen. Not only is the value completely out of whack, it makes trading up or trading out of the top spots nearly impossible. I don't remember it being like this back in the 70s or 80s, at least not to this extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Also, I think the cap is too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Too many commercial interruptions that take the flow away from the game. Absolutely. Bingo. Completely. It's even worse being at a game live. Wait for friggin ever between a score, then the kickoff, and then the first play of a drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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