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If you clicked on this post, it is not what you are thinking...

 

This thread is about who should play in the NC game this year.

 

Everyone assumes that USC should take one spot in the NC game every year (unless they lose a game) because they are talented and deep with players. However, if they lose any game in the season, they don't deserve to play in the NC game because they play in such a chitty conference. (Sorry PAC-10 fans, that's just how most of the rest of the country sees it.)

 

Now...for they SEC. I look at the remaining schedule for all the big teams in the SEC and think, my god, how can you go undefeated with a schedule like that?? If you can walk away with only one loss in the SEC, you absolutely deserve to be in the NC game!

 

I don't care who wins the SEC...all I know is the winner should be an automatic shoe in for one slot in the NC game!!!!!

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In some years, and perhaps this year. However going undefeated in the SEC hasn't been the norm in recent years, but Auburn did it in 2004, and Tennessee did it in 1998, not to mention Florida making it a yearly occurance in the 90's. As for this year, SEC has lived up to the hype thus far. They got some really good football teams. Though to be great, I think you have to run the table regardless of your conference or your schedule.

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Going into last week the Polls had 5 SEC teams in the top 10. a week and a day later, 3 of those were beaten, GA humiliated, FLA embarassed, and Auburn lost. From what Ive seen no SEC team is dominate. I honestly think the top 3 teams will prove to be OU, Missouri and Texas in no particular order. And there is no way 2 of these can both play for all the marbles, so the team that faces either of these 3 in the NC game will be OSU against FLA 2 years ago. Slaughtered.

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Going into last week the Polls had 5 SEC teams in the top 10. a week and a day later, 3 of those were beaten, GA humiliated, FLA embarassed, and Auburn lost. From what Ive seen no SEC team is dominate. I honestly think the top 3 teams will prove to be OU, Missouri and Texas in no particular order. And there is no way 2 of these can both play for all the marbles, so the team that faces either of these 3 in the NC game will be OSU against FLA 2 years ago. Slaughtered.

OK, first if all Auburn wasn't in the top 10 going into last week's games but for the sake of argument we'll ignore that oversight.

 

GA got beat, granted badly but, by the current #2/#4 team in the country, Alabama (SEC).

Auburn got beat by the current #3/#2 team in the country, LSU (SEC).

 

Now I'm not saying that OU, Mizzou and Texas aren't very good teams but let's see what happens over the next couple of weeks when they actually play quality opponents...each other. Funny thing is, regardless of how those games end up you'll have decided that either one of those three is clearly dominant or that they're all so good that they beat up on each other, ala the SEC.

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OK, first if all Auburn wasn't in the top 10 going into last week's games but for the sake of argument we'll ignore that oversight.

 

GA got beat, granted badly but, by the current #2/#4 team in the country, Alabama (SEC).

Auburn got beat by the current #3/#2 team in the country, LSU (SEC).

 

Now I'm not saying that OU, Mizzou and Texas aren't very good teams but let's see what happens over the next couple of weeks when they actually play quality opponents...each other. Funny thing is, regardless of how those games end up you'll have decided that either one of those three is clearly dominant or that they're all so good that they beat up on each other, ala the SEC.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsinde...mp;seasonType=2

 

 

Auburn was #10 going into 10 days ago games, not this past weekend, but the week before thats game. So no oversight whatsoever.

 

 

And Bama isnt special anywhere. They are average across the board. Their D isnt stellar, gave up huge pts to GA in the 2nd half. Their O has average talent, but are clicking on all cylinders right now. Overall team effort, but nothing special.

 

 

Funny I dont think Miss is a quality opponent, but they just punked FLA in their house. I know Oregon st isnt a quality opponent, and they punked SC, who just punked OSU, who barely beat Troy and some other mid major school.

 

TCU had the #1 defense in the country and held the Sooners to nothing on the ground. They were a quality opponent. TCU would drum Oregon St or Miss in the ass. In fact Id bet TCU would even beat Ohio St.

 

 

What Ive seen, GA sucks, Bama is playing at a high level, but average across the board. FLA isnt as good as last years team, and that team lost to Michigan in the bowl, yuck. Only LSU to me seems balanced at all with a solid D and running game. I could easily see them now winning the SEC going undefeated and any Big 12 team of the 3 would drill them in the ass by 17 pts + in the title game. The Big 12 is constantly overlooked, see last yrs bowl games. OU was sorry in its bowl, but the rest of the conference represented. Id too like to see more, but Ive seen Texas, Missouri and OU play and they clearly look head and shoulders above everyone else in the country so far. Bama and LSU are the only teams that even look like they could give any of these 3 a game.

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Going into last week the Polls had 5 SEC teams in the top 10. a week and a day later, 3 of those were beaten, GA humiliated, FLA embarassed, and Auburn lost. From what Ive seen no SEC team is dominate. I honestly think the top 3 teams will prove to be OU, Missouri and Texas in no particular order. And there is no way 2 of these can both play for all the marbles, so the team that faces either of these 3 in the NC game will be OSU against FLA 2 years ago. Slaughtered.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsinde...mp;seasonType=2

 

 

Auburn was #10 going into 10 days ago games, not this past weekend, but the week before thats game. So no oversight whatsoever.

 

 

And Bama isnt special anywhere. They are average across the board. Their D isnt stellar, gave up huge pts to GA in the 2nd half. Their O has average talent, but are clicking on all cylinders right now. Overall team effort, but nothing special.

 

 

Funny I dont think Miss is a quality opponent, but they just punked FLA in their house. I know Oregon st isnt a quality opponent, and they punked SC, who just punked OSU, who barely beat Troy and some other mid major school.

 

TCU had the #1 defense in the country and held the Sooners to nothing on the ground. They were a quality opponent. TCU would drum Oregon St or Miss in the ass. In fact Id bet TCU would even beat Ohio St.

 

 

What Ive seen, GA sucks, Bama is playing at a high level, but average across the board. FLA isnt as good as last years team, and that team lost to Michigan in the bowl, yuck. Only LSU to me seems balanced at all with a solid D and running game. I could easily see them now winning the SEC going undefeated and any Big 12 team of the 3 would drill them in the ass by 17 pts + in the title game. The Big 12 is constantly overlooked, see last yrs bowl games. OU was sorry in its bowl, but the rest of the conference represented. Id too like to see more, but Ive seen Texas, Missouri and OU play and they clearly look head and shoulders above everyone else in the country so far. Bama and LSU are the only teams that even look like they could give any of these 3 a game.

Since we're nitpicking meaningless information, let's take a look at the bolded portions of your posts and the date of your first one. Last week was the one during which USC, FL, and GA all lost. Auburn lost the week before that. In your post dated 9/30/08, Tuesday, you stated that "last week the Polls had 5 SEC teams in the top 10" and "a week and a day later" which would be last Monday, GA, FL and Aub lost. Last Monday Auburn was ranked #15/#16 in the polls. But anyway...

 

I appreciate the fact that you've seen the big 3 from the Big 12 play and feel they've looked very good but against who? Keep in mind that I believed USC overrated after pounding OSU simply because I believe OSU was overrated. I'm not saying any of the aforementioned Big 12 teams are overrated by the polls but the lofty perch you have them on would certainly warrant the overrated label. Why? Because, sure they've looked real good but OU's best win thus far is TCU and TCU hasn't played anyone. Texas doesn't even have a win that any sane person would consider a quality win. Mizzou beat Illinois, yes but so did Penn St by a greater margin. Quite simply there's nothing there to support that any of these three teams would dominate quality opponents. Now in a couple of weeks when the BCS comes out and one of those three teams has dominated a couple of upper tier Big 12 teams then we can talk about potential overwhelming greatness but until then keep it in your pants. Right now it doesn't look nearly as big from our angle as from yours.

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I haven't seen anything from Missouri to indicate that they have enough of a defense to even be in this discussion. They certainly are not one of the best three teams in the country without a defense. Until they beat a quality opponent (giving up 42 points to Illinois at home doesn't count as a quality win in my book), they're just a pretender that has benefited in the rankings from last year's performance. Not saying they CAN'T end up in the top three, but they need to earn it... and that won't happen unless their defense proves they can stop somebody. You can't win every game via shootout.... Not in the Big 12, anyway, where there are plenty of other teams that can also score (but are mediocre defensively).

 

I think Texas and OU, on the other hand, are more balanced on both sides of the ball, and are legitimate contenders, until they prove otherwise.

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Since we're nitpicking meaningless information, let's take a look at the bolded portions of your posts and the date of your first one. Last week was the one during which USC, FL, and GA all lost. Auburn lost the week before that. In your post dated 9/30/08, Tuesday, you stated that "last week the Polls had 5 SEC teams in the top 10" and "a week and a day later" which would be last Monday, GA, FL and Aub lost. Last Monday Auburn was ranked #15/#16 in the polls. But anyway...

 

I appreciate the fact that you've seen the big 3 from the Big 12 play and feel they've looked very good but against who? Keep in mind that I believed USC overrated after pounding OSU simply because I believe OSU was overrated. I'm not saying any of the aforementioned Big 12 teams are overrated by the polls but the lofty perch you have them on would certainly warrant the overrated label. Why? Because, sure they've looked real good but OU's best win thus far is TCU and TCU hasn't played anyone. Texas doesn't even have a win that any sane person would consider a quality win. Mizzou beat Illinois, yes but so did Penn St by a greater margin. Quite simply there's nothing there to support that any of these three teams would dominate quality opponents. Now in a couple of weeks when the BCS comes out and one of those three teams has dominated a couple of upper tier Big 12 teams then we can talk about potential overwhelming greatness but until then keep it in your pants. Right now it doesn't look nearly as big from our angle as from yours.

 

 

Missouri returns almost everyone, as does Texas (minus - Jammal Charles) and OU (minus Malcolm Kelly, Reggie Smith and Curtis Lofton) These were clearly 3 of the best teams in the country a year ago. And only OU lost its bowl. So why because they are killing inferior competition, when they drilled legit competition a year ago with almost every one back, should we assume this year is a fluke, when last yr all 3 were in the final AP Top 10. Its not like Im saying a team like Vandy who is way over rated and sucked ass a year ago, and who hasnt played anyone is a top 3 team. Im saying 3 of the top 5 in the polls now, and in the top 10 last yr look the best to me. Lets break this down a bit further. Other than Bama and possibly LSU, who else looks like a legit NC contender. And LSU to me looks very average on offense, though they can run the ball. But if either of those Big 12 teams put 35 on them, they wont be able to score with them. Bama to me punked a GA team that may have been the most overrated #1 team to begin a season in a quarter century. Im not sure GA could beat TCU, and its not that I think TCU is great, I just think GA is on that level right now.

 

 

And you knew what I meant about the polls. At the time LSU played Auburn, they said over and over at no time has any 1 conference had 5 teams in the top 10. Clearly Auburn, GA, and FLA dropped after losing.

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I haven't seen anything from Missouri to indicate that they have enough of a defense to even be in this discussion. They certainly are not one of the best three teams in the country without a defense. Until they beat a quality opponent (giving up 42 points to Illinois at home doesn't count as a quality win in my book), they're just a pretender that has benefited in the rankings from last year's performance. Not saying they CAN'T end up in the top three, but they need to earn it... and that won't happen unless their defense proves they can stop somebody. You can't win every game via shootout.... Not in the Big 12, anyway, where there are plenty of other teams that can also score (but are mediocre defensively).

 

I think Texas and OU, on the other hand, are more balanced on both sides of the ball, and are legitimate contenders, until they prove otherwise.

 

 

Give ILL time, once they beat OSU and Michigan again, everyone will over rate them again.

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Missouri returns almost everyone, as does Texas (minus - Jammal Charles) and OU (minus Malcolm Kelly, Reggie Smith and Curtis Lofton) These were clearly 3 of the best teams in the country a year ago. And only OU lost its bowl. So why because they are killing inferior competition, when they drilled legit competition a year ago with almost every one back, should we assume this year is a fluke, when last yr all 3 were in the final AP Top 10. Its not like Im saying a team like Vandy who is way over rated and sucked ass a year ago, and who hasnt played anyone is a top 3 team. Im saying 3 of the top 5 in the polls now, and in the top 10 last yr look the best to me. Lets break this down a bit further. Other than Bama and possibly LSU, who else looks like a legit NC contender. And LSU to me looks very average on offense, though they can run the ball. But if either of those Big 12 teams put 35 on them, they wont be able to score with them. Bama to me punked a GA team that may have been the most overrated #1 team to begin a season in a quarter century. Im not sure GA could beat TCU, and its not that I think TCU is great, I just think GA is on that level right now.

 

 

And you knew what I meant about the polls. At the time LSU played Auburn, they said over and over at no time has any 1 conference had 5 teams in the top 10. Clearly Auburn, GA, and FLA dropped after losing.

No one here even suggested that this year is a fluke. It's not about that at all. It's quite simply statements like "Slaughtered" and "drill them in the ass by 17 pts +" when referring to their possible performance in the title game that are my issue. It's just like the USC / Ohio ST reference I made earlier. USC beat what appears/ed to be a very good opponent like a drum and everyone was in awe of how wonderful they were but they turned around and lost to an unranked team. OU, Mizzou and Tex haven't beaten anyone this year so why would anyone believe them to be dominant? Body of work, this year.

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No one here even suggested that this year is a fluke. It's not about that at all. It's quite simply statements like "Slaughtered" and "drill them in the ass by 17 pts +" when referring to their possible performance in the title game that are my issue. It's just like the USC / Ohio ST reference I made earlier. USC beat what appears/ed to be a very good opponent like a drum and everyone was in awe of how wonderful they were but they turned around and lost to an unranked team. OU, Mizzou and Tex haven't beaten anyone this year so why would anyone believe them to be dominant? Body of work, this year.

 

 

TCU is better than any team SC has played so far, and SC already lost to unranked Oregon St.

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No bong, TCU has the #1 rush defense in the country. . Its match ups. And OSU wouldnt match up well with TCU

 

One could argue that they're rush defense numbers are good because they've played the likes of New Mexico, Stephen A. Austin, Stanford and SMU. I'm sure in these blowout wins that these teams "forgot" the run in oreder to try to get back in the game. Oklahoma is the only good offense they've faced. Just around the corner they play the best offense they've faced all year in BYU. Let's see how that goes :wacko:

 

At any rate, your claim was that TCU is a BETTER team than Ohio State. I'll argue that claim all day long.

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One could argue that they're rush defense numbers are good because they've played the likes of New Mexico, Stephen A. Austin, Stanford and SMU. I'm sure in these blowout wins that these teams "forgot" the run in oreder to try to get back in the game. Oklahoma is the only good offense they've faced. Just around the corner they play the best offense they've faced all year in BYU. Let's see how that goes :wacko:

 

At any rate, your claim was that TCU is a BETTER team than Ohio State. I'll argue that claim all day long.

 

Have to agree with prof on this one, Sarge.

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One could argue that they're rush defense numbers are good because they've played the likes of New Mexico, Stephen A. Austin, Stanford and SMU. I'm sure in these blowout wins that these teams "forgot" the run in oreder to try to get back in the game. Oklahoma is the only good offense they've faced. Just around the corner they play the best offense they've faced all year in BYU. Let's see how that goes :D

 

At any rate, your claim was that TCU is a BETTER team than Ohio State. I'll argue that claim all day long.

 

 

So now BYU's offense is better than the Sooners. And you are arguing with me? :wacko:

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:wacko:

 

 

 

Don't look now, but Oklahoma has already allowed Baylor to score more in the 1st half, then they did all game against Wake Forest :D

 

 

Gosh, I guess its better to get manhandled by SC. Same SC that lost to unranked Oregon St. I think Ill take this blowout win before next weeks showdown with Texas, over getting my ass whipped in front of the whole nation by an avg team from the Pac-10 How embarassing.

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We'll see what happens when OU plays Texas. But even if OU beats the living hell out of UT, I won't be a believer. Let's see...who's this year's cinderella story. Vandy? USF? Let's match OU up with one of them in a bowl game and see if we can make it a trifecta in OU getting punked in their bowl games.

 

Boise St- PUNKED

WVU- Humiliated

Vandy- ? :wacko:

 

 

:D

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We'll see what happens when OU plays Texas. But even if OU beats the living hell out of UT, I won't be a believer. Let's see...who's this year's cinderella story. Vandy? USF? Let's match OU up with one of them in a bowl game and see if we can make it a trifecta in OU getting punked in their bowl games.

 

Boise St- PUNKED

WVU- Humiliated

Vandy- ? :wacko:

 

 

:D

 

I aint going to argue with their bowl history. It speaks for itself. And I aint happy about it. But right now, all eyes are on Texas.

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The NC game talk is a bit too early, but breaking down the SOS the rest of the way is see it this way.....

 

Mizzou or OU has a shot at one spot, Mizzou has an easy road in the B12 North and will have a shot to win the B12 Championship against Tx/OU

OU has 4 games that they COULD lose, but have the ability to run the table as they are solid on both side of the ball.

 

Penn St. could be undefeated, how could you keep them out? Cuz the B10 is softer this year? They have 3 tough games in Wi/Mi/OSU and 2 of those on on the road, if all of the B10 ends up with 1 loss, they will be on the outside looking in.

 

SEC- Here we go again...talent everywhere, anyone runs the table they are in 4 sure. If LSU gets by Fl, they may repeat...I see Bama losing 2, Ga will have 2 losses, so if Fl beats LSU they are back in the mix.

 

USC- When they play well, they are incredible, hate them, but they ARE good. Chances are if they do not lose again, they are in...let's just hope they lose one more so we can be done with them.

 

At this point...I see Penn St vs. OU, but that could be spoiled in 2 weeks....

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Guys, you really need to leave poor Sarge alone. I mean, he's the greatest NCAA FB prognosticator ever. I mean, when he says OU would drill all these other teams by 17+ you can take it to the bank. Look at what the oklahomo's did against my Mountaineers last year! :wacko:

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