CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I never thought by Week 5 Roddy White would be outproducing Randy Moss . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 . . . thus proving your comparison retarded . . . Actually that shows how Peyton managed more yards than the great Kitna. C'mon waterman, does ONE player make all the difference for Moss, but Manning missing FOUR starting offensive linemen doesn't? Of course. Does he have 4 people throwing to him? Cassel was a 7th round pick so I guess that's the same as having linemen who weren't first round picks, right? But it seems that the greatest QB to ever lived can't produce unless he only gets sacked once per season. Sure he had knee surgery, but Manning wasn't going to try and run for a first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) Of course. Does he have 4 people throwing to him? Cassel was a 7th round pick so I guess that's the same as having linemen who weren't first round picks, right? But it seems that the greatest QB to ever lived can't produce unless he only gets sacked once per season. Sure he had knee surgery, but Manning wasn't going to try and run for a first down. He's producing just fine. Not getting benched, like Kitna. The Colts are 2-2 with a boatload of injuries. And knee surgery effects your mobility in the pocket as well dumb dumb. Randy Moss is on pace for only 8 TD's. Why is that? Injuries? Or can the greatest WR who ever lived not produce unless he has a Pro Bowl QB? Edited October 6, 2008 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Actually that shows how Peyton managed more yards than the great Kitna. Does it? Hasn't Kitna acquired most of his yards in blow-out losses with teams giving soft coverage underneath because they have a 20+ point lead? You really ought to think out your comparisons more. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Exactly I'm fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Basically what your asking is, "Is a quarterback's play related to how good his offensive line is?" The answer is yes. You can't put up great stats without blocking. Just as I'm asking, "is a wide receiver's play related to how good his quarterback is?" The answer there is yes as well. Pretty simple. Can a QB make up for a bad offensive line? Not for very long. The Colts keep pulling games out of the fire, but their offensive line play, and especially their defense, must improve drastically if they want their normal 12 wins this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wasn't Saturday healthy to play in week 5? I thought that the line was fully back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wasn't Saturday healthy to play in week 5? I thought that the line was fully back. The starting offensive line for the Colts is Ugoh, Lilja, Saturday, Pollak, Diem. Against the Bears they were missing the center and both guards. Against the Vikes they were missing the center, both guards, and the left tackle got hurt in the second quarter. Against Jax, they were missing their left tackle and both guards. Against Houston yesterday, they were missing their left tackle and left guard. Ugoh did dress, but did not play. Hopefully he will be back by next week. Lilja is on PUP and can't come back until Week 6 at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I benched him today for Warner. Ouch> I still won though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I benched him today for Warner. Ouch> I still won though I started McNabb over him. Oh well, I also still won. Looks like Peyton has proven once again he's an auto-start regardless of the matchup. Time to shop McNabb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyOne Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I traded for Peyton 2 weeks ago (just after his bye). I have Wayne. Helped me win this week. This could work out well, at least if Marshawn Lynch ramps it up a bit after the bye.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'm betting Waterman doesn't return to this thread, there are deeper ponds to be fished in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 Looks like someone finally plugged the Colts in, after Week 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mroban Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 How much is attributed to his knee though?He seemed (not that he really ever moved well) like he was stuck in the mud. And if Sage slides the Colts are 1-3..... I actually traded him after week 3. I got good value for him and I just had a feeling that this was going to be an off year for him (meaning less than 30 td's) Since the trade I am 2-0 and have scored no less that 110pts each week......I started 1-2 and broke 100pts once. Still feeling good about that? I resisted the urge to trade him and muddled through the first few weeks. But I held on to him because I figured he would come around sooner or later as his knee improved and the line got healthier. Seriously, is there another QB in the league you really would rather have over the course of a season if you know Peyton is healthy? Lets see Cutler do it for a whole season before we anoint him. Romo is hurt now. Brady is out. Aaron Rodgers? Cmon. Kurt Warner? Dont make me laugh. McNabb? you cant be serious. Eli? Hahahahahahaha. Yep, Peyton is still the best QB to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 He's rated 10th in my league. Right above Campbell, Garrard, Schaub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 He's rated 10th in my league. Right above Campbell, Garrard, Schaub. above or below Randy Moss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 above or below Randy Moss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 above or below Randy Moss? Ok let me spell it out, the 10th QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) What would Manning's stats look like compared to Brady if he played this season? *waits for the dodge* Edited October 16, 2008 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) What would Manning's stats look like compared to Brady if he played this season? *waits for the dodge* How the frick is anyone supposed to know that? If I had to guess, considering that Indy looked pretty shaky out the gate, is that Brady's would look better. Does that make you happy? However, what I think this shows is how important the pre-season and certainly a productive camp is to having a good start. Manning had neither and that, combined with the banged up O-line is going to take its toll. However, if the degree to which he peed all over the vaunted Baltimore D is any indication, they might have straightened that out. Again, what is your point? I'm still waiting for the list of guys I assume you must have who have flourished despite missing the pre-season with a bum knee and playing behind a porous line. Does that count as a "dodge"? Edited October 16, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 What would Manning's stats look like compared to Brady if he played this season? *waits for the dodge* all I know is they are better than Brady's right now. And Harrison has the same number of catches and one more TD than Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 And Harrison has the same number of catches and one more TD than Moss. And Moss is only a wannabe thug, Harrison actually shoots people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 And Moss is only a wannabe thug, Harrison actually shoots people. His gun is louder than his mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 His gun is louder than his mouth. I would imagine that's the case for most. Further, that seems like a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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