michaelman Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Where do you rank Reggie Bush in a PPR league? 0.5 PPR. I know he and westbrook are considered like the ultimate PPR backs, but looking back at his 2006 season with Deuce, and his 2007 season without Deuce.. neither of those seasons ranked in the top 8 Rbs point wise.... Is his status as one of the "ultimate PPR backs" mostly dependent on him playing to "his potential" like he did in the first few games? I think Deuce's return takes away ALL of Pierre Thomas's carries and HALF of Reggie Bush's carries.... that would lower his value.. And then what happens when Colston(week8) and Shockey(week6) come back and take away more of Bush's Looks? What do you think his value is for the rest of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I think we should watch this week very carefully and see whether last week was how they want to use Deuce and Reggie or it was more of an aberration based on the game and really wanting to control the pace of the game and time of possession (which Deuce is more suited for). My sense (in any case) is that Bush is a top five back in PPR, they are going to use him out on swing patterns and lined up in the slot and try to get him the ball in space. He probably doesn't remain the #1 PPR back that he has been thus far though. I'd predict maybe #3 depending on health. In a .5 PPR he's obviously slightly lower....top 10 back though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Where do you rank Reggie Bush in a PPR league? 0.5 PPR. I know he and westbrook are considered like the ultimate PPR backs, but looking back at his 2006 season with Deuce, and his 2007 season without Deuce.. neither of those seasons ranked in the top 8 Rbs point wise.... Is his status as one of the "ultimate PPR backs" mostly dependent on him playing to "his potential" like he did in the first few games? I think Deuce's return takes away ALL of Pierre Thomas's carries and HALF of Reggie Bush's carries.... that would lower his value.. And then what happens when Colston(week8) and Shockey(week6) come back and take away more of Bush's Looks? What do you think his value is for the rest of the season? in his rookie year he ranked 9th last year he ranked #10 in PPG and I use that because he missed the final 4 games...and to be fair the last 2 games he played in he scored 7ish point in each of those 2 games(game he sustained the injury and game he tried to play thru it)....prior to those 2 games he was averaging 15.74 PPG which would have been good for 6th ....imo, Bush is a top 10 RB in PPR with serious upside and that is with or without DMac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 Yeah I figured a bulk of his value comes from his catches.. and our 0.5 ppr does lower his value... I was thinking top 10 too... And when I was watching last weeks game vs. SFO... I saw and heard from the commentators that Bush was getting doubled or something.. I couldn't see it myself but SF ran a Nickel D on him for sure. Deuce ran a lot towards the end of the game b/c the Saints were up and he kept getting the 1st downs. Coach Payton also said that Deuce was going to continue getting a similar workload to that of the SF game. Not this week vs. Minn of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I own him in my PPR league and lovin it. I picked him in round two on the turn in the 8 spot. I think he is top 5 for sure based on what he has been doing so far. They guy a a lock for 7 grabs and 50 yards per game with rushing AND the kind of punt returns you saw tonight. The guy has been a monster for me and has saved my bacon twice now. I think it continues because teams can't account for his speed in the flat with linebackers. Corners are tied up in man coverage with the Saints Wide outs as they run them off because Brees is so accurate you had better be close to the receivers. Bush will be the most consistant point scorer week in and week out. Look at AP, tonight, just 5 points. Reggie had that in just catches for loses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 i sure am sad that my offer of TO last night before thegame was denied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 He is my bacon saver also. Top 5 RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largent80 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Bush has great value in my IDP leauge. We get 1pt for a reception, plus we don't play with team defenses and punt returns are rewarded to the player. Yeah, the guy who owns him had a BIG night. I own Bush in another league that doesn't reward punt returns or receptions. Only 8 pts from him last night. Not joining that league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 If your league rewards players for return TD's then he is a beast and will be for the forseeable future. #1 back in the league in PPR+return TD leagues, hands down, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I loved how little McAllister was in the game last night as a Bush owner . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I like Bush a lot in a PPR....he can win a game for you some weeks, other weeks he can be mediocre...but a player that can win a week for you every other week with a freak-like performance is worth it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFairlane Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The short-answer on Reggie Bush is: The more stats your league awards points for, the more valuable he is. He usually won't dominate a stat, but he'll fill up a box score nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 I loved how little McAllister was in the game last night as a Bush owner . . . 1.clearly didn't watch the game, 2. doesn't know Minnesota's run defense 3. didn't see bush getting owned and fumbling TWICE trying to run though it. How are these things pluses for bush owners? If anything you should be happy about Bush's return ability... or wait.. will teams just not kick to him anymore? And if I was a coach, I'd take away his rush attempts all together... HANG ON TO THE BALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 1.clearly didn't watch the game, 2. doesn't know Minnesota's run defense 3. didn't see bush getting owned and fumbling TWICE trying to run though it. I did watch the entire game. McAllister only had only 6 touches, to Bush's 19. And even AFTER he fumbled twice, he was still in the backfield the majority of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmutts Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I am in a 12 team league, standard scoring plus 1 ppr. I owe Bush and right now he is THE TOP scorer for rb's. He also ranks 9th overall for all positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bush is the perfect reason for using a graduated ppr. He's a gadget RB who is limited running the football. His value in FF far exceeds his value in the NFL when comparing him to other players at his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belushi Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I think McAllister gets more carries against poor run D's where he can wear down a defence. He doesn't have the speed to get to the outside, and you don't run up the middle on the Vikings. Bush just matched up better against the Vikings D. I expect McAllister will have much better games in the future. Not a bad time to trade for him after that game actually. He'd make a decent bye-week filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 If you have watched the saints over the years you'd know Deuce only gets the big performances when the Saints are up. The only reason the Saints weren't up was because of a freak blocked punt return for a TD, Fumbles and Ints. Deuce is used to run out the clock and get the short yardage gains. The only reason bush got more carries in week 5 is b/c he stood a better chance busting out a big play... no1.. not even deuce was going to pile drive through the Vikings D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 I did watch the entire game. McAllister only had only 6 touches, to Bush's 19. And even AFTER he fumbled twice, he was still in the backfield the majority of the time. Deuce: 6 rush attempts Bush: 12 rush attempts, 2 fumbles It's all about the rushing attempts between those two. Deuce doesn't catch and never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Deuce: 6 rush attemptsBush: 12 rush attempts, 2 fumbles It's all about the rushing attempts between those two. Deuce doesn't catch and never did. Deuce had 47 receptions in 2002, and 69 in 2003. You don't know what you are talking about. Plus, one of those fumbles came on a reception, not a rush. If YOU watched the game, you would have seen how little Deuce was actually IN the backfield. Most of the time it was Bush. Even after the fumbles. That's good news for Bush owners, because it means more touches. I don't care how he gets them, whether it's a hand-off, or a reception out of the backfield. You must own McAllister or something. Edited October 8, 2008 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 2002 and 2003... SIX YEARS AGO... LOL YOU CAN't be serious.. .HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Yes Bush was back there and the REASON which I've already explained. .. is because it was vs. the MINN run defense. and I HARDLY consider 12 attempts 2 fumbles vs. 6 attempts a clear indication of workload dominance. What happens to Bush's receptions when colston and shockey come back?.. cuz he sure doesn't have the running job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 2002 and 2003... SIX YEARS AGO... LOL YOU CAN't be serious.. .HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Yes Bush was back there and the REASON which I've already explained. .. is because it was vs. the MINN run defense. and I HARDLY consider 12 attempts 2 fumbles vs. 6 attempts a clear indication of workload dominance. What happens to Bush's receptions when colston and shockey come back?.. cuz he sure doesn't have the running job. You said Deuce doesn't catch and never did. That would include '02 and '03, d-bag. If you'll look at the stats, Bush is getting his receptions even with Colston and Shockey healthy. He's going to get 5 receptions a game average. It's almost guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) 2002 and 2003... SIX YEARS AGO... LOL YOU CAN't be serious.. .HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA So, Captain Capslock, what would you attribute to McAllister not having an ability to catch the football now when he clearly did previously? Oh, and 2008 - 2003 = 5 years. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Edited October 8, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bush is the perfect reason for using a graduated ppr. He's a gadget RB who is limited running the football. His value in FF far exceeds his value in the NFL when comparing him to other players at his position. and yer point would be........... that is part of the deal- this is PPR value, nothing more - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 What happens to Bush's receptions when colston and shockey come back?.. cuz he sure doesn't have the running job. I dunno, maybe check out week 1 when Coltson and Shockey played. Guess what? Bush had EIGHT receptions in that game. For 112 yards and a TD! Week 2 he had 7 catches with Shockey still in the line-up. Week 3 he had 11 catches with Shockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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