WorstCoachingEver Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Is it just me or was this another WorstCoachingMoment??? Minnesota gets the ball on N.O. 11 after the P.I. with 1:11 left. N.O. has 2 timeouts. I am the only one who thought that New Orleans shoulda conceded a TD? So Saints woulda been down 7 but woulda had a minute and 2 timeouts to score a tieing TD. Why hold the Vikings to kick a 30 yard FG? That is a gimme in the NFL. (I had to create new thread as this situation wouldn't just apply to this game. Reminds me of the Packers-Broncos superbowl.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Is it just me or was this another WorstCoachingMoment??? Minnesota gets the ball on N.O. 11 after the P.I. with 1:11 left. N.O. has 2 timeouts. I am the only one who thought that New Orleans shoulda conceded a TD? So Saints woulda been down 7 but woulda had a minute and 2 timeouts to score a tieing TD. Why hold the Vikings to kick a 30 yard FG? That is a gimme in the NFL. (I had to create new thread as this situation wouldn't just apply to this game. Reminds me of the Packers-Broncos superbowl.) My personal opinion is you dont concede anything in football. You dont intentionally give up a TD in order to have a better chance to try and get it back IMO. You play like hell to try and prevent your opponent from getting any points at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 It's just you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I think this idea has merit. The 3 points is automatic, pretty much. Minny would bleed the clock for he late no time left FG. The N.O. offense CAN march down the field with a minute left and 2 TO's. It goes against conventional thinking, but conventional thinking didn't win the game either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Your forgetting about the Childress factor. Maybe the Saints WERE conceding the td and Childress couldn't punch it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Your forgetting about the Childress factor. Maybe the Saints WERE conceding the td and Childress couldn't punch it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) First of all they should have gone for it on 4th down. I trust Brees more than I do Gramm. Gramm has lost two games now for the team and I would have protected his confidence and the teams conf in him by going for it and sparing him the miss. He had every excuse, strained groin, Minn hadn't moved the ball very well. Now look at them, Gramm is getting trashed right now by Billy Miller and pissed on for that hit he took for nothing. Yes you should be able to trust your kicker to hit a 46 yarder but now they will change their whole game strategy for the rest of the season anyway because of tonights miss and should have done it tonight by going for it. The other side I know is they were trying to instill confidence if he hit that one tonight but they played to hard to lose this game. Again I trust Bress arm more then Gramms leg. As for the giving away points, wouldn't it have been great if two Defensive lineman picked up AP and ran him into the endzone to save time. Edited October 7, 2008 by Cowboyz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 My personal opinion is you dont concede anything in football. You dont intentionally give up a TD in order to have a better chance to try and get it back IMO. You play like hell to try and prevent your opponent from getting any points at any time. It's just you Right guys. What a silly idea. I'd rather have the ball back with basically no time on the clock only down by 3 than with a minute and two timeouts down by 7. You have to assume Longwell is not going to miss from 30 yds, dead center. I mean, that seem less likely than failing to get down the field for a TD in a minute. At very least, it seems more proactive than simply pinning your hopes on a guy missing a gimme FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 And the Vikings could have pulled a Brian Westbrook and kneel down when they got to the 1, then try the FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largent80 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Is it just me or was this another WorstCoachingMoment??? Minnesota gets the ball on N.O. 11 after the P.I. with 1:11 left. N.O. has 2 timeouts. I am the only one who thought that New Orleans shoulda conceded a TD? So Saints woulda been down 7 but woulda had a minute and 2 timeouts to score a tieing TD. Why hold the Vikings to kick a 30 yard FG? That is a gimme in the NFL. (I had to create new thread as this situation wouldn't just apply to this game. Reminds me of the Packers-Broncos superbowl.) Peterson owner by chance? I was hoping for the same thing. Thankfully Antwone Winfield bailed me out. Whew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Right guys. What a silly idea. I'd rather have the ball back with basically no time on the clock only down by 3 than with a minute and two timeouts down by 7. You have to assume Longwell is not going to miss from 30 yds, dead center. I mean, that seem less likely than failing to get down the field for a TD in a minute. At very least, it seems more proactive than simply pinning your hopes on a guy missing a gimme FG. And the Vikings could have pulled a Brian Westbrook and kneel down when they got to the 1, then try the FG Technically, Big John has the right answer, since there were more than 10 yards. That being said, as a Vikings fan, I can say with complete confidence that there is no way in hell that Childress would have had the brains to make that call, so allowing them to score might have been an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Peterson owner by chance? No. Though I was talking to my friend over the phone at the time who was playing against Peterson. I would bet 99-1 that Peterson would have run the ball in. The Westbrook situation last year was after Dallas had depleted all their timeouts. Does anyone know where to find the stats of a FG < 30 yards. I would imagine the kick % is over 95%. With the Saints offense, 1 minute left, and 2 Timeouts, I bet they would have a 33% chance they coudl pull it off (just a guess). I base that on the fact they would be working with all 4 downs, Minny Pass D isn't/wasn't great, and the fact time is not as big a factor with 2 Timeouts and the amount of time left. 33% chance to tie is better than a 5% chance of tie by Minny missing < 30 yard FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The braodcast team mentioned this at the time. Guess the Saints weren't listening at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmjones101 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I think the bad coaching moment was when NO had the ball in field goal range with just over 2 mins left, then tried to pass the ball for yardage. With Gramm's recent problems, they should have at least tried to run the ball for 5 - 8 more yards (and if lucky get a 1st down) eating the clock and getting Gramm a few yards closer. At the very LEAST get past the two minute warning so in the event Gramm misses the FG, there's a better chance of forcing it go into overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 I think the bad coaching moment was when NO had the ball in field goal range with just over 2 mins left, then tried to pass the ball for yardage. With Gramm's recent problems, they should have at least tried to run the ball for 5 - 8 more yards (and if lucky get a 1st down) eating the clock and getting Gramm a few yards closer. At the very LEAST get past the two minute warning so in the event Gramm misses the FG, there's a better chance of forcing it go into overtime. The two minute warning was after the FG try. Thus, if you ran the ball on 3rd down, the 2 minute warning would have stopped play and the clock would have stopped again after the FG attempt. Immaterial time difference. I think the Saints made the right call on 3rd down. They were playing to get the first down and called a timing pattern to Devery Henderson. It was apparent that Henderson botched his route as Payton wasn't too happy with him. Regardless, the Vikings were going to have plenty of time for a possession b/f the end of the game no matter the situation since this all transpired b/f the 2 min warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmjones101 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The two minute warning was after the FG try. Thus, if you ran the ball on 3rd down, the 2 minute warning would have stopped play and the clock would have stopped again after the FG attempt. Immaterial time difference. I think the Saints made the right call on 3rd down. They were playing to get the first down and called a timing pattern to Devery Henderson. It was apparent that Henderson botched his route as Payton wasn't too happy with him. Regardless, the Vikings were going to have plenty of time for a possession b/f the end of the game no matter the situation since this all transpired b/f the 2 min warning. Sorry, I didn't mean just the 3rd down pass attempt. I think they should have been running the ball all 3 downs. Unless the Vikes burned out their timeouts, the two minute warning would have come before the 3rd down. They were already within respectable FG range so knew that even if they don't get a first down, they'd still have a good scoring chance. Shoulda attempted the run, eat the clock and maybe get Gramm 5 - 8 yards closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Sorry, I didn't mean just the 3rd down pass attempt. I think they should have been running the ball all 3 downs. Unless the Vikes burned out their timeouts, the two minute warning would have come before the 3rd down. They were already within respectable FG range so knew that even if they don't get a first down, they'd still have a good scoring chance. Shoulda attempted the run, eat the clock and maybe get Gramm 5 - 8 yards closer. After the long catch and run by the TE to the 40, the Saints ran 4 straight times including 1st and 10 from the 29. Then they passed on 2nd and long which is something they absolutely had to do in that situation considering that they really needed another 10 yards to be comfortably in range for a FG. If they've learned anything it's that they should not settle for a 45 yarder. Time was not a factor considering that Minnesota was actually trying to run the clock out at the end. Frankly, I think the mistake is the exact opposite of what you do. You think they should have been running more, I think they should have been doing so less. I think they should have passed at least once (likely on 2nd down) in the 3 downs after the long catch. They should have stuck to their offense and tried to move the ball the way they do best. Had they gotten down a bit deeper rather than barely converting the 1st to the 30, then they would have had the luxury of really taking the air out of the ball and running 3 straight before kicking a much easier FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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