pantherpack Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I have been in the same league for 13 years. We have never had PPR but one owner is pushing for it. To me PPR is a meaningless stat. I think I saw larry johnson catch 4 balls for no yards against the Panthers. Is that worthy of 4 points? On a play that everyone remembers where Bush is demolished by the eagles in the playoffs, should he get a point for that catch and negative yardage. Does anyone give a point to QB's for completions? How about a point per carry? I know a lot of leagues have this, but I just can't make sense of it. Somone please explain. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policyvote Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Let's look at last week's Giants-Eagles game. Amani Toomer hauled down 5 balls for a total of 53 yards, which is five points in standard performance scoring. IIRC, Plaxico Burress got one catch for 17 yards and a TD last week, which would be seven points. Was Burress's one-catch-for-a-TD contribution 40% more valuable than (presumably) four or five first down catches? Not really--OTOH, I think a 5-for-53 day translating into a 10-point game is a little much. In my local, we use a point per every two receptions, which gives a little boost to possession recievers, TEs, and pass-catching RBs, without making any of them disproportionately powerful. Peace policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 helps even out RB's and WR's in the draft also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 There was a thread just before the beginning of the season that delved very deeply into this subject. I don't have time to do a search ofr it right now, but perhaps someone can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I have been in the same league for 13 years. We have never had PPR but one owner is pushing for it. To me PPR is a meaningless stat. I think I saw larry johnson catch 4 balls for no yards against the Panthers. Is that worthy of 4 points? On a play that everyone remembers where Bush is demolished by the eagles in the playoffs, should he get a point for that catch and negative yardage. Does anyone give a point to QB's for completions? How about a point per carry? I know a lot of leagues have this, but I just can't make sense of it. Somone please explain. Thanks, yes I am in leagues that give points for completions, incompletions and carries as well as scoring negative yardage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 There was a thread just before the beginning of the season that delved very deeply into this subject. I don't have time to do a search ofr it right now, but perhaps someone can Here it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I most of the leagues i play in PPR begins at level, in most beginning at 4 for TEs, 5 for RBs and 7 for WRs. this does allow for a "bonus" for reception totals without having the "1 catch for -3 yards" actually count for a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Was Burress's one-catch-for-a-TD contribution 40% more valuable than (presumably) four or five first down catches? Not really in short, Yes. TDs count for points on the scoreboard, first downs don't. First downs may, and usually do, contribute to eventual TDs but don't count for actual points. If you want to make this argument, get rid of PPR and give a point (fantasy-wise) for first down catches(wouldn't that boost a guy like Welker's fantasy value) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 in short, Yes. TDs count for points on the scoreboard, first downs don't. First downs may, and usually do, contribute to eventual TDs but don't count for actual points. If you want to make this argument, get rid of PPR and give a point (fantasy-wise) for first down catches(wouldn't that boost a guy like Welker's fantasy value) Catches for 1st downs. I like it. Time for a new stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprtfan Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 helps even out RB's and WR's in the draft also I think this is the main reason for a ppr. I think 1 ppr is a little to much and we do .5 ppr in one of my leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 and in some of my leagues we use a graduated PPR so each position gets a different amount per reception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 and in some of my leagues we use a graduated PPR so each position gets a different amount per reception Yes, for instance in the ATAP leagues RB .5 WR .75 TE 1.25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missoula Griz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 helps even out RB's and WR's in the draft also Why even out the playing field? You draft and start the players who you think will give you the most points within your league rules. If RB's typically score more points then your focus is to be strong at that position. In fantasy, I think less is better when it comes to stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Why even out the playing field? You draft and start the players who you think will give you the most points within your league rules. If RB's typically score more points then your focus is to be strong at that position. In fantasy, I think less is better when it comes to stats. It could be argued that the draft order is not a level playing field so it's unfair before a single game is played. People in the back of the draft order now has more options to grab the 9th/10th best available RB or a top WR. Now that top WR can actually compete with many of those 1st round RBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Why even out the playing field? You draft and start the players who you think will give you the most points within your league rules. If RB's typically score more points then your focus is to be strong at that position. In fantasy, I think less is better when it comes to stats. To me it;s just another case of preference, much like your preference for less. Some owners like more complex rules that force them to delve deeper into not just draft preparation and rankings, but also weekly lineup decisions. Some prefer the old pen and paper and a USA Today days where it was a straight 6 points for a TD and maybe some bonus for hitting a certain yardage plateau. To each their own, there is no right or wrong or better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missoula Griz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Some prefer the old pen and paper and a USA Today days where it was a straight 6 points for a TD. Boy, them were the days. I have not bought a USA today in 10 years. I do remember their Friday issue had a little projection on the weekly NFL games. It was about all the info you could get at the time. Good point on preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Running a route to get open and then catching the ball is a skill. How closely it can impact the score of an NFL game is debatable, but it is certainly a skill. I do not see any problems with rewarding players for that skill. For example, Bobby Engrams 94 catches last year made him absolutely as valuable to the Seahawks as any NFL receiver was last year to their team. In leagues that weren't PPR leagues, he was not a valuable commodity. I don't mind reflecting that particular skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Running a route to get open and then catching the ball is a skill. How closely it can impact the score of an NFL game is debatable, but it is certainly a skill. I do not see any problems with rewarding players for that skill. For example, Bobby Engrams 94 catches last year made him absolutely as valuable to the Seahawks as any NFL receiver was last year to their team. In leagues that weren't PPR leagues, he was not a valuable commodity. I don't mind reflecting that particular skill. You could argue that 10 receivers were more valuable to their teams since Engram's 94 receptions was 11th best last year (9th best excluding Gonzo and Witten). :Big John: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Points Per Reception?, Someone tell me why this makes sense First, you tell me why fantasy football makes sense? Any of it. Then you tell me why it makes sense that my wife just spent $120 for a f'n haircut! That's how much I spend in a year! Why does it make sense that my sons will swim for hours in the ocean at Cape Cod, when the water is in the upper 60s, but they won't go in our pool at home (in Florida) unless the heater is on and the water is in the mid to upper 70s? Why does it make sense that over the years, I've spent thousands visiting my in-laws in the northeast but most of them can be bothered to come to visit in Florida but I get called cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 First, you tell me why fantasy football makes sense? Any of it. Then you tell me why it makes sense that my wife just spent $120 for a f'n haircut! That's how much I spend in a year! Why does it make sense that my sons will swim for hours in the ocean at Cape Cod, when the water is in the upper 60s, but they won't go in our pool at home (in Florida) unless the heater is on and the water is in the mid to upper 70s? Why does it make sense that over the years, I've spent thousands visiting my in-laws in the northeast but most of them can be bothered to come to visit in Florida but I get called cheap? Why is that a problem ... we all know you ARE a cheap bastage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 First, you tell me why fantasy football makes sense? Any of it. Then you tell me why it makes sense that my wife just spent $120 for a f'n haircut! That's how much I spend in a year! Why does it make sense that my sons will swim for hours in the ocean at Cape Cod, when the water is in the upper 60s, but they won't go in our pool at home (in Florida) unless the heater is on and the water is in the mid to upper 70s? Why does it make sense that over the years, I've spent thousands visiting my in-laws in the northeast but most of them can be bothered to come to visit in Florida but I get called cheap? why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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