Bronco Billy Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I'm watching DEN play OAK yesterday (and BTW, hugh props to OAK for bringing their A game & handing DEN their heads. Well done, Black Holers) and I'm watching an offensive game plan from a HC who is allegedly one of the smartest X & O HCs in the business, which would imply that he is one of a select few of geniuses in this profession in the world. The running game looks like it is working fairly well when Tatum Bell isn't running the ball, consistently placing DEN in 2nd/3rd & short down & distances. The underneath stuff is open, and Stokley is cashing in even though Cutler is clearly not having one of his better days. So what does Shanahan keep doing - relentlessly, I might add? He keeps calling plays to throw deep into what is without exception double coverage. OAK was playing a man-up with hard corners and then using the FS over the top as a centerfielder so that any route over 30 yds downfield automatically had 2 defenders covering the WR. Despite it not working the first 6 to 8 times, Shanahan keeps going to the well over & over, trying to hit a deep strike and constantly being rejected. Now, as some of you know, I used to coach football at the high school level. I'd never think to compare my basis of knowledge of the game to Shanahan's. I also understand that if you've found what you think is a vulnerability in the other team's schemes that even if it doesn't work the first couple of times that you attack it, you try a few more times thinking that eventually you'll break through and exploit the weakness. However, once it doesn't work after numerous attempts - say 6 to 8 tries - and other facets of your game plan are much more productive (non-Bell runs and short passes), why in the Seven Hells wouldn't you abandon the deep stuff and take the shorter gains - pounding the shorter stuff until the other team is finally forced to give up on the deep doubles, at which time you can try to go deep? Instead, the O genius Shanahan just repeatedly went deep again & again, kept failing badly, and eventually lost the game badly. Someone help me out on this - what am I missing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Shanny tries to stick the vertical "just win baby" passing game up Al Davis' rear whenever they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I was watching the Sun night game and thinking about all the coaches out there that deserve to be shown the door, or at least on the verge. Marvin Lewis Andy Reid Romeo Crenell Rod Marinelli Herm Edwards Jim Haslett (Interim) Brad Childress Mike Singletary (Interim) Mike Shannahan Mike Holmgren Norv Turner That's a HUGH list Isn't the norm about 3-4 that are let go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I was watching the Sun night game and thinking about all the coaches out there that deserve to be shown the door, or at least on the verge. Marvin Lewis Andy Reid Romeo Crenell Rod Marinelli Herm Edwards Jim Haslett (Interim) Brad Childress Mike Singletary (Interim) Mike Shannahan Mike Holmgren Norv Turner That's a HUGH list Isn't the norm about 3-4 that are let go? Holmgren announced this last offseason that he was retiring after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Holmgren announced this last offseason that he was retiring after this year. It's always nice when a HC saves everyone the aggravation and shows himself the door - even though that leaves him as a lame duck & generally screws the team over royally (we've had this discussion earlier - how's that lame duck status working for you, Seahawks' fans?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Someone help me out on this - what am I missing here? Nothing except you aren't factoring in the arrogance that comes with high end, almost unassailable coaching positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 If I were Shanny, I prolly wouldn't have had a gameplan for being down 3 scores, at home, to Oakland either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I was watching the Sun night game and thinking about all the coaches out there that deserve to be shown the door, or at least on the verge. Marvin Lewis Andy Reid Romeo Crenell Rod Marinelli Herm Edwards Jim Haslett (Interim) Brad Childress Mike Singletary (Interim) Mike Shannahan Mike Holmgren Norv Turner That's a HUGH list Isn't the norm about 3-4 that are let go? Don't forget Wade Phillips, unless the Cowboys actually go deep into the playoffs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Nothing except you aren't factoring in the arrogance that comes with high end, almost unassailable coaching positions Exactly! The most dangerous thing about a, so called, 'genius' is if it they start to believe the 'genius' rhetoric. Sometimes they can become so focused on proving their 'genius' that they become to dumb to see what is right in front of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 If I recall, Rick Dennison is the OC and calls the plays. However, I did see Shanahan with one of those play charts in his hand most of the game, so perhaps he took over. It was horrible play calling, if those were indeed the plays called and not just Cutler audibling or freelancing it. How do they NOT understand that the defense is perhaps the worst in the NFL and that ball control is the only thing that will win them games. ....and I'm beginning to wonder about Cutler. I've been waiting for him to calm down and settle the offense when things aren't going right, but as soon as he throws a pick it seems he's done for the game. He seems antsy and not in control at all. Perhaps Cutler is just Jay Fiedler with a stronger arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I was watching the Sun night game and thinking about all the coaches out there that deserve to be shown the door, or at least on the verge. Marvin Lewis Andy Reid Romeo Crenell Rod Marinelli Herm Edwards Jim Haslett (Interim) Brad Childress Mike Singletary (Interim) Mike Shannahan Mike Holmgren Norv Turner I noticed you listed nearly every black coach not named Dungy. :race card flag: PS I'm ready for overrated Dungy to blow outta town too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJV Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Don't forget Wade Phillips, unless the Cowboys actually go deep into the playoffs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Singletary ain't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Exactly! The most dangerous thing about a, so called, 'genius' is if it they start to believe the 'genius' rhetoric. Sometimes they can become so focused on proving their 'genius' that they become to dumb to see what is right in front of them. this makes them, not a genius coach. i've never seen BB stick with something that isn't working to the point of costing his team the game. like it (him) or not, it's the trueth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Singletary ain't going anywhere. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I didn't watch the game, but in scanning the gamebook, when you only have the ball for 1:33 of a 14:36 chunk of the 3rd and 4th quarters, the overuse of the deep pass doesn't seem to be the primary concern. I can totally see the rocket surgeons in the licensed team wear for the Broncos going into halftime and figuring that their approach wasn't the issue despite being down 10-3. The defense was playing well enough (a goal line stand; only TD on a PR), and the offense *should* have been more successful (~18 minutes TOP; Cutler fumble inside 10; two missed FGs), and given the opening TD drive of the 3rd quarter, they obviously made the right initial adjustments. The wheels fell off after that, and seemed to fall off very quick. Did the Raiders emerge? Didn't seem like they did much of anything but capitalize on what was given to them. I thought the Broncos had turned a bit of a corner with the win against the Browns a couple weeks back, maybe not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 ....and I'm beginning to wonder about Cutler. I've been waiting for him to calm down and settle the offense when things aren't going right, but as soon as he throws a pick it seems he's done for the game. He seems antsy and not in control at all. Perhaps Cutler is just Jay Fiedler with a stronger arm? You DO realize that Cutler doesn't have 3 full years in the league yet, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I noticed you listed nearly every black coach not named Dungy. :race card flag: Get outta here with that garbage, all the guys I listed are the coaches everyone has been talking about. Dude, your black guy won the election by an overwhelming majority, when is the black race going to stop pulling the race card? Seems you're the racist one for even bringing it up. Loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Get outta here with that garbage, all the guys I listed are the coaches everyone has been talking about. Dude, your black guy won the election by an overwhelming majority, when is the black race going to stop pulling the race card? Seems you're the racist one for even bringing it up. Loser Hat, Hat, Hat... :shakinghead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hat, Hat, Hat... :shakinghead: well geezus, he is just like a guy I work with, always bringing this crap up, let it go..it was a long time ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 well geezus, he is just like a guy I work with, always bringing this crap up, let it go..it was a long time ago! I can state with absolute confidence that BR's feelings about people have absolutely nothing to do with the color of their skin. He's an equal opportunity hater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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