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Belichick and the Patriots are something else!


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I am no fan of the Patriots, in fact I am a Colts fan which by definition means I really don't like the Patriots much at all but DANG!!!

 

After Brady went down in week 1, how many people here at the Huddle would have thought after 11 games that the Pats would be 7-4 and Matt Cassel would be coming off 2 consecutive 400 yd games?

 

I don't know if there are any other teams that could lose a player as important to their team as Brady was to the Pats that could just plug in a QB and continue to march. And with 5 weeks to go here they are just a game out of first in their division and Cassel playing at a very high level.

 

I just think this says a lot for their organization and Belichicks system.

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Actually, a lot of people. Many of whom pointed to their schedule. They get the entire NFC and AFC west, which are the worst two divisions in football, so there's at least 6 wins (of course, they've only played 5 total games so far vs those teams but it doesn't hurt to be facing KC, SF, and St. Louis)

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I agree 100 %. people can say what they want about Belicek but he knows how to make a system and get guys ready on the bench to fill right into that system. although I actually expected them to be even better than 7-4 even without Brady. I always thought the system was more important than Brady and I stick with that. not that Brady is not a fine QB because we all know he is.

 

That being said they need some serious help on that defense. I do not expect much from them if they get into the playoffs because of that defense whether they had Brady or not. Belicek can make them overachieve during the regular season but come playoff time that defense is gonna get pushed around. outside of Seymour and maybe young Mayo they do not have much on D.

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i agree their schedule has helped them ...and they do have alot of other weapons outside of Brady honestly ...but still they are tough ...very tough mentally

 

how many RB have they used this year , and their defense is old , slower and also has injuries yet they will very likely make the playoffs

 

its a solid organization even if they have had some skeletons in their closet ( soke bigger than others )

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I am no fan of the Patriots, in fact I am a Colts fan which by definition means I really don't like the Patriots much at all but DANG!!!

 

After Brady went down in week 1, how many people here at the Huddle would have thought after 11 games that the Pats would be 7-4 and Matt Cassel would be coming off 2 consecutive 400 yd games?

 

I don't know if there are any other teams that could lose a player as important to their team as Brady was to the Pats that could just plug in a QB and continue to march. And with 5 weeks to go here they are just a game out of first in their division and Cassel playing at a very high level.

 

I just think this says a lot for their organization and Belichicks system.

 

 

There are 32 head coaches in the NFL right now.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

There have been hundreds of head coaches throughout the history of the NFL.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

Why does it surprise you that the one proven cheater, the ONLY proven cheater, in the entire history of the NFL is having success with yet another no-name, back-up quarterback?

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There are 32 head coaches in the NFL right now.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

There have been hundreds of head coaches throughout the history of the NFL.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

Why does it surprise you that the one proven cheater, the ONLY proven cheater, in the entire history of the NFL is having success with yet another no-name, back-up quarterback?

 

 

:wacko:

 

Actually your coach is a proven cheater to my brother. he knew what Belicek was doing and never said anything while he was a Patriot. that makes Mangini a proven cheater too. so i guess we have 2 proven cheaters coaching football...but only 1 snitch.

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There are 32 head coaches in the NFL right now.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

There have been hundreds of head coaches throughout the history of the NFL.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

Why does it surprise you that the one proven cheater, the ONLY proven cheater, in the entire history of the NFL is having success with yet another no-name, back-up quarterback?

 

:wacko:

 

Tell us how you feel about Herm Edwards.

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i agree their schedule has helped them ...and they do have alot of other weapons outside of Brady honestly ...but still they are tough ...very tough mentally

 

how many RB have they used this year , and their defense is old , slower and also has injuries yet they will very likely make the playoffs

 

its a solid organization even if they have had some skeletons in their closet ( soke bigger than others )

I think more is often made than it should be about teams managing to do well despite injuries at RB. It seems like any team that is remotely good can plug a guy in and be fine. NE is better than average, but not great at the RB position (11th in FF production by RBs which is really not all that bad an overall indication). That is impressive considering their injuries, however, they've also faced 5 of the 7 easiest teams to run against and have a 6th on that list still remaining on the schedule.

 

However, if FF has taught us anything, it's that RB is among the easiest positions to find a fill-in.

 

And that old, slow D is going to be their downfall. Again, name one very good team that they've beaten. They beat the Jets, in week 2, but that was a completely different team with a brand new QB. They beat Denver, but they've been wildly inconsistent. Other than that? Miami is a nice story but...Buffalo? Meh. That leaves the mighty Chiefs, Niners, and Rams (and it's not like they dominated any of those 3).

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:wacko:

 

Actually your coach is a proven cheater to my brother. he knew what Belicek was doing and never said anything while he was a Patriot. that makes Mangini a proven cheater too. so i guess we have 2 proven cheaters coaching football...but only 1 snitch.

 

 

I'm not your brother. I'm not your friend. All I do is state facts.

 

Go back and read it again.

 

Hundreds of head coaches in the history of the NFL. Hundreds.

 

One proven cheater. One.

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:wacko:

 

Tell us how you feel about Herm Edwards.

 

 

Herm Edwards is a powerful motivator of men.

 

He's a poor NFL coach, but he's an honest man and a powerful motivator.

 

He is one of several hundred men who have been the head coach of an NFL team.

 

He is not a proven cheater. There has only been one of those in the history of professional football. Only one.

 

His name is Bill Belichick, and he coaches the New England Patriots.

 

Think about that. Hundreds and hundreds of NFL coaches. All motivated by the same goal. All subject to the same rules. All given access to the same technology.

 

Only ONE - in the history of the game - is a proven cheater.

 

I'm not speculating, I'm not hypthesizing, I KNOW. There is documented evidence. The Patriots cheat. You can't say that about any other team in the NFL.

 

It makes me laugh. :D

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I very much dislike the Patriots. More than my dislike for the Patriots however, is my dislike for Tom Brady.

 

Since Brady went down, I have wished nothing but success for Cassel to demonstrate to the NFL's fans what a mediocre quarterback can do in a great system.

Does this mean I don't think Brady is a good quarterback? Obviously not, he's proved over and over he is talented when throwing the ball and making decisions and more than capable of running an offense. However, it's the system that has made him a great, future Hall of Fame QB.

 

While Belicheck is and always will be a cheater, his system on both sides of the ball is solid.

 

The real question is this: If you had to start a franchise from scratch right now, which of the two would you want to build your team around? All-time backup and slightly proven Matt Cassel at the ripe age of 26, or All-World Tom Brady coming off of a knee injury at the age of 31?

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I'm not your brother. I'm not your friend. All I do is state facts.

 

Go back and read it again.

 

Hundreds of head coaches in the history of the NFL. Hundreds.

 

One proven cheater. One.

 

 

Dear friend, like I said..Mangini is a NFL coach who was once part of a cheating system and never said a word until he had to play against said system. which makes him not only a cheater...but a snitch who went out and bit the hand that fed him. you know my brother?

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I very much dislike the Patriots. More than my dislike for the Patriots however, is my dislike for Tom Brady.

 

Since Brady went down, I have wished nothing but success for Cassel to demonstrate to the NFL's fans what a mediocre quarterback can do in a great system.

Does this mean I don't think Brady is a good quarterback? Obviously not, he's proved over and over he is talented when throwing the ball and making decisions and more than capable of running an offense. However, it's the system that has made him a great, future Hall of Fame QB.

 

While Belicheck is and always will be a cheater, his system on both sides of the ball is solid.

 

The real question is this: If you had to start a franchise from scratch right now, which of the two would you want to build your team around? All-time backup and slightly proven Matt Cassel at the ripe age of 26, or All-World Tom Brady coming off of a knee injury at the age of 31?

 

 

Holmes knows his chit. I agree with basically everything said here cept I like the Patriots and think they only did what they did because so many other teams were doing that very thing.

 

I think if I was starting a new franchise I would go with Cassel...if I had a veteran filled team I would go with Brady.

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Dear friend, like I said..Mangini is a NFL coach who was once part of a cheating system and never said a word until he had to play against said system. which makes him not only a cheater...but a snitch who went out and bit the hand that fed him. you know my brother?

 

It takes you a lot of words to present your conspiracy theory. And even then, it's not clear what you're trying to say.

 

Let me make it simple for you:

 

One team caught cheating: New England Patriots

 

One head coach caught cheating: Bill Belichick

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It takes you a lot of words to present your conspiracy theory. And even then, it's not clear what you're trying to say.

 

Let me make it simple for you:

 

One team caught cheating: New England Patriots

 

One head coach caught cheating: Bill Belichick

 

 

The problem my BROTHER is that you are not a real bright fella. it is pretty simple what I said and was clearly stated. the problem is not only are you not very bright but you are in denial over the subject. you want to blame 1 guy, the Patriot coach even though the coach of your team was involved as well but never said anything about it until he had to face his old team. the saddest part of all is the only reason Mangini has a job right now is because of Belicek. if he was gonna tell just because he wanted to be honest he would of done it while he was still a member of the Patriots. is this clear enough for ya little fella?

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Lets make this clear for you!

 

One team has misunderstood rules.

One Coah has misunderstood rules.

One Team punished for misunderstanding rules.....

 

You are obviously on the hater bandwagon....are you that gullable to think that there is ONLY ONE??? Please give me a break.....Doc got it 100% correct!!!

 

if you want lets prove ALL of the other COACHES as cheating too!!! then there will be more than ONE!!!! Get a clue and for somebody with the name VET you sure dont act like one....Your still crying over spilled milk from over a year ago.....you must be related to Joey Porter!!!

 

 

:wacko:

 

 

Kindly provide a list of teams and head coaches that have been proven to have cheated in the NFL.

 

I'll get you started:

 

1. New England Patriots, Bill Belichick

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OK now I will provide a list of head coaches that were part of the cheating...

 

1. Belicek

 

2. Mangini

 

 

You got one right, although you spelled it wrong.

 

Correct answer: New England Patriots, Bill Belichick

 

Only team and head coach that are proven cheaters. Only ones. Wow, how embarrassing.

 

I don't think it's a big deal, but it obviously still chafes a lot of their fans. I guess I can understand that. It must suck knowing that your team can only succeed through cheating.

 

If you want to acknowlege your team's cheating, enter some lame defensive post below:

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You got one right, although you spelled it wrong.

 

Correct answer: New England Patriots, Bill Belichick

 

Only team and head coach that are proven cheaters. Only ones. Wow, how embarrassing.

 

I don't think it's a big deal, but it obviously still chafes a lot of their fans. I guess I can understand that. It must suck knowing that your team can only succeed through cheating.

 

If you want to acknowlege your team's cheating, enter some lame defensive post below:

 

Your baiting skills would make Spain jealous. :wacko:

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What a moran...straight Hate

 

 

The system usually helps all QB's

Marino, Montana, Young, Aikman, were great at running their SYSTEM and that is what made them head and shoulders above other QB's. Cassel can run a SYSTEM but can't run over EVERY team (except the giants) like Tom Brady did last year.

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The real question is this: If you had to start a franchise from scratch right now, which of the two would you want to build your team around? All-time backup and slightly proven Matt Cassel at the ripe age of 26, or All-World Tom Brady coming off of a knee injury at the age of 31?

 

Tom Brady. Next ....

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Vet, you still have your panties in a wad over the Pats? Your Jets are leading the division, playing well and headed to the playoffs. Try to enjoy it. :wacko:

 

Isle...I know it's a common saying that the Pats defense is old, but you might want to do some research on that one. I believe I heard it said during a recent Pats telecast that their oldest D lineup (with Bruschi in, for example) had an average age of 29. Without him in it drops to 26.

 

They're getting younger on D...that secondary is hurting in a big way though.

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Wow. Someone is bitter.

 

Something tells me that there had to be more than "Bill Belichick" involved, or did he run over, take the camera from storage, set it up, tape it, bring it back to the film room, analyze it, then make a bunch of notes so he could relay what seemed like brilliant calls during the game? No. The entire coaching staff cheated, as well as a bunch of others who aided in the setup and analyzing of the footage.

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There are 32 head coaches in the NFL right now.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

There have been hundreds of head coaches throughout the history of the NFL.

 

Only one is a proven cheater.

 

Why does it surprise you that the one proven cheater, the ONLY proven cheater, in the entire history of the NFL is having success with yet another no-name, back-up quarterback?

 

Actually Vet, and I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Belichick was never proven to be a cheater. Sorry, but that's the facts. You're bitter. You hate the Pats and Belichick, probably because they kicked the snot out of your team, and that's ok. But the facts are, there was never any evidence of any cheating. They filmed defensive signals, like every team does, but they did it from an illegal position, and there is very little, if any chance whatsoever of deciphering that tape in the 12 minutes of half time to adjust the defense, if in fact the tape was ever even in the locker room to begin with. Wich also hasn't been proven.

 

You can look no further than Ruvell Martin's comments only a couple months ago in response to Favre passing along insider info to the Lions.

 

"In my opinion, there's not too much you can gain," Martin said. "You can give them our hand signals (but) those are on tape already. If we find out you've got our hand signals, we try to find a way (around it)."

 

Does Belichick work for the Lions now too? Or do you think maybe filming hand signals might be common practice?

 

Sorry to disappoint you.

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