I'm just going to say this once

[Chief Dick]

If your one loss team DOES NOT make the championship game, shut up.

 

Win 'em all next time.

[sacosud]

That means Boise State deserves to be in Miami.

 

It's a shame that we have to debate the who deserves to be in, but this is what we have at the current.

 

Until there is a playoff and that even does not stop the debate, because what happens if 3 teams are fighting for that last spot the debate would continue.

 

You are right if you win them all there should be no argument, but with parity today in the elite leagues this is just not realistic.

 

If there is not going to be a playoff, then there shouuld be a formula to sort it out.

[untateve]

Until there is a playoff and that even does not stop the debate, because what happens if 3 teams are fighting for that last spot the debate would continue.

 

To me, it's no big deal if 2 or 3 teams are arguing about who is the 8th best team in the country vs arguing who the top two are.

[sacosud]

To me, it's no big deal if 2 or 3 teams are arguing about who is the 8th best team in the country vs arguing who the top two are.

It makes a big difference to the team left out.

 

The school and the program itself would see some loss from being left behind.

 

BCS money to the school is pretty large and recruiting is affected.

 

I agree though with you that maybe 3 two loss teams fighting over the last spot over 3 one loss teams makes sense.

 

My point would be that there would be the same debates and most likley after a few years the argument to allow more teams in would be made.

 

I guess, maybe part of the fun is the debate itself.

[detlef]

To me, it's no big deal if 2 or 3 teams are arguing about who is the 8th best team in the country vs arguing who the top two are.

Exactly

 

It makes a big difference to the team left out.

 

The school and the program itself would see some loss from being left behind.

 

BCS money to the school is pretty large and recruiting is affected.

 

I agree though with you that maybe 3 two loss teams fighting over the last spot over 3 one loss teams makes sense.

 

My point would be that there would be the same debates and most likley after a few years the argument to allow more teams in would be made.

 

I guess, maybe part of the fun is the debate itself.

And, perhaps you're right but those who complain about worthy teams being left out of an 8 team play-off simply don't have the limb to stand on that teams being left out of a 2 team play-off do.

 

There will certainly reach a point where teams that simply should not have a say in who should be Natl Champ are being considered for a play-off and that will be the end of it. I would guess that would be somewhere between 8 and 12 teams. I just don't think one could expect a groundswell of support to start including teams beyond that. Of course, the fact that they're even discussing expanding the already far to large hoops field sort of flies in the face of that logic.

 

Further, you're not going to get much sympathy if you couldn't manage to finish among the top 8 or 12.

[Ziachild007]

Exactly

 

 

And, perhaps you're right but those who complain about worthy teams being left out of an 8 team play-off simply don't have the limb to stand on that teams being left out of a 2 team play-off do.

 

There will certainly reach a point where teams that simply should not have a say in who should be Natl Champ are being considered for a play-off and that will be the end of it. I would guess that would be somewhere between 8 and 12 teams. I just don't think one could expect a groundswell of support to start including teams beyond that. Of course, the fact that they're even discussing expanding the already far to large hoops field sort of flies in the face of that logic.

 

Further, you're not going to get much sympathy if you couldn't manage to finish among the top 8 or 12.

 

I don't think my 11-1 Red Raiders deserve to be in the NC game. They should have beaten or at least kept it close vs the Sooners. But I do think that they deserve to play in a BCS Bowl and think the no more than 2 teams per conference is stupid. They would have been one of the top 8 teams if there were a playoff, but not one of the top eight for a BCS Bowl. That's just dumb. I don't think conference champions should be guaranteed a bowl, but the top 8 teams should get the BCS Bowls. But the BCS Conferences set it up that way so they would have control of getting a conference champion, so it won't ever change.

[jaxfactor]

But I do think that they deserve to play in a BCS Bowl and think the no more than 2 teams per conference is stupid.

 

I agree with this 1000% I think the whole automatic berth thing is stupid. If a conference has a strong year(Big 12 this year) and another has a down year(ACC), why should we invite a 3-loss ACC team over a 1-loss Big 12 team. Just pathetic rules that definately need to be tweaked.

[theeohiostate]

I agree with this 1000% I think the whole automatic berth thing is stupid. If a conference has a strong year(Big 12 this year) and another has a down year(ACC), why should we invite a 3-loss ACC team over a 1-loss Big 12 team. Just pathetic rules that definately need to be tweaked.

 

 

 

Fact of the matter we could revisit this post after the Big 12 goes 0-3 . No one really knows if the conference is any good, they haven't beaten anyone of note in the national stage. Completely different then when Texas beat OSU on it's way to a NC. I think we'll soon find out that these offenses were magnified to a very large extent based on the defenses they've played. Let see how they do against teams that actually play defense first before crowning the Big 12 anything more then a WAC imitation league

[BS Miscreant]

If your one loss team DOES NOT make the championship game, shut up.

 

Win 'em all next time.

My initial response to this was to laugh and think, "That's funny, and you know, you're right". However, "win'em all next time", just doesn't ring real true when the team getting in ahead of you didn't win'em all either.

[BS Miscreant]

Fact of the matter we could revisit this post after the Big 12 goes 0-3 . No one really knows if the conference is any good, they haven't beaten anyone of note in the national stage.

I was thinking along these lines as well. I'm certainly not going to predict an 0fer bowl record but the fact remains that these Big XII teams just played each other and there's really no way of knowing how good they are relative to the rest of the country. (With minor exception of OU playing TCU and Cincinnati)

 

As for the "only two teams" rule and the automatic bid rule:

 

Automatic bid is not good, at least not this year. My team is in the Big East and I have no real interest in watching Cincinnati play anyone in a BCS bowl, especially if it turns out to be the ACC champ. That match-up this year oughta be the Gator bowl or something.

It should be considered however that a team can just as easily have 2-3 losses because they're in a really good conference as opposed to a bad one which may play to the argument for automatic bid some years.

 

"Only two teams" warrants some merit due to the above remarks regarding the lack of quality intra-conference play.

[detlef]

I was thinking along these lines as well. I'm certainly not going to predict an 0fer bowl record but the fact remains that these Big XII teams just played each other and there's really no way of knowing how good they are relative to the rest of the country. (With minor exception of OU playing TCU and Cincinnati)

 

As for the "only two teams" rule and the automatic bid rule:

 

Automatic bid is not good, at least not this year. My team is in the Big East and I have no real interest in watching Cincinnati play anyone in a BCS bowl, especially if it turns out to be the ACC champ. That match-up this year oughta be the Gator bowl or something.

It should be considered however that a team can just as easily have 2-3 losses because they're in a really good conference as opposed to a bad one which may play to the argument for automatic bid some years.

 

"Only two teams" warrants some merit due to the above remarks regarding the lack of quality intra-conference play.

The automatic bid thing is central and crucial to this whole stupid mess and will be the absolute last thing they ever give up. The entire nature of the BCS is to keep the money in the hands of the 6 major conferences. Part of doing so is to insure that each conference gets a piece, every year.

 

Now, it certainly makes sense for the conferences that are consistently to start raising hell and threatening to cut those who fail to keep up out of the picture, but you'd think that would take at least several years of poor showing.

[Ziachild007]

The automatic bid thing is central and crucial to this whole stupid mess and will be the absolute last thing they ever give up. The entire nature of the BCS is to keep the money in the hands of the 6 major conferences. Part of doing so is to insure that each conference gets a piece, every year.

 

Now, it certainly makes sense for the conferences that are consistently to start raising hell and threatening to cut those who fail to keep up out of the picture, but you'd think that would take at least several years of poor showing.

 

But the BCS Conferences set it up that way so they would have control of getting a conference champion, so it won't ever change.

 

Exactly

[GWPFFL BrianW]

I think there should be an automatic bid for conference champions, but I think their should be some restrictions. Like you should have to be ranked in the top 15 of the BCS or something, and have a minimum of no more than 2 or 3 losses, or something of that nature. And while the BCS was originally set up to keep the money in the 6 major conferences, they added a 5th BCS game specifically to throw a bone to the rest of the country, which is why it has been a lot easier for a non bcs school to get in. Also keep in mind, these bowls are independent from each other. They choose based on what can make the most money for themselves. Which is why the joke is, why won't they take Boise State? Because they don't have to.

[Kid Cid]

And once again my battlecry falls upon deaf ears. Boycott the Bowls!