FishFreak Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I just don't get it. Week 17 is a viable NFL week with playoff and seeding ramifications. But yet most leagues exclude week 17 for their playoffs and total points prize.as if it some how doesn't count. Over the years I've come to realize I'm in the minority on this topic but I've always pushed for week 17 to count as a commish and regular owner. I think the playoffs should end week 16 but total points should run thru week 17. Typically, only 1-3 teams have the luxury of "resting" players or limiting their playing time so why does everyone cry like none of their players are starting? Week 17 should be treated like a mini bye with possibly a player or two injured. How is that different from most of the other NFL weeks? If anything owners should be prepared IF they even have any starting player issues and utilize their bench accordingly. Isn't that what your bench and depth is for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I think the playoffs should end week 16 but total points should run thru week 17. Exactly what we do in 2 of my 3 leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Why should playoffs end week 16 but points week 17? Why not both week 16 or week 17? I hate week 17 and i agree with what Opie posted above. ETA: Why stop at week 17 then? Lets have playoffs end in the superbowl. Edited December 10, 2008 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 any team that's already in the playoffs and can't significantly improve their position has absolutely nothing to gain by playing to win week 17. I think that's usually more than 2 or 3 teams, but even if it is only 2 or 3 teams that is a pretty big handicap for a lot of fantasy teams. it's predictable and easily avoided by using a 16 week schedule, which just makes the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 . I think the playoffs should end week 16 but total points should run thru week 17. Please explain your reasoning for this. Why should it be different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I just remembered one reason I hate week 17....a few years ago, I was in the championship game which was weeks 16+17....I started the pats defense even though they had clinched homefield. this was a league with BIG defense scoring and they had just carried me down the stretch, and the pats were playing a really crappy team. but anyway, none of the starters played at all, they were letting the other team score at will....bruschi, vrabel et all were having a ghey old time on the sidelines, laughing, joking, highfiving as jp losman and the bills (or whoever it was) carved through their 3rd string defense who was playing like they didn't want to ruin their nails. by the second half, they had doug flutie out there doing dropkicks for crying out loud. come on, a-holes....have some respect for the game and actually PLAY. of course, I lost...and my hatred for the pats took on a new life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 any team that's already in the playoffs and can't significantly improve their position has absolutely nothing to gain by playing to win week 17. I think that's usually more than 2 or 3 teams, but even if it is only 2 or 3 teams that is a pretty big handicap for a lot of fantasy teams. it's predictable and easily avoided by using a 16 week schedule, which just makes the most sense. Not only teams already in the playoffs with nothing to gain, but also teams out of the playoffs with nothing to gain. They too often rest starters to give their bench and younger players real game experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Typically, only 1-3 teams have the luxury of "resting" players or limiting their playing time That's certainly enough to change the outcome of a FF championship, isn't it? Especially since teams that secure byes have a good chance of having multiple impact FF players on thier rosters. Why would any credible league want to risk unreasonably cheapening their championship game? Injuries are one thing, and they are a part of the game that can't be avoided. Why intentionally chance voiding other top players in the big game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Not only teams already in the playoffs with nothing to gain, but also teams out of the playoffs with nothing to gain. They too often rest starters to give their bench and younger players real game experience the actually have more to gain by losing (draft position). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Why should playoffs end week 16 but points week 17? Why not both week 16 or week 17? I hate week 17 and i agree with what Opie posted above. ETA: Why stop at week 17 then? Lets have playoffs end in the superbowl. In Bastages we have that Champions Cup where the total points winner for the week wins $20. Not much but makes week 17 interesting. Then there is the Smackbowl and those coveted tube socks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 We've been doing that for years ie a one-week thing where all teams start all players for a chunk of change. Gives the non-playoff teams something to shoot for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 we use week 17 as our Pro Bowl Each team picks 5 players off their regular season roster and most points week 17 gets $50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 we use week 17 as our Pro Bowl Each team picks 5 players off their regular season roster and most points week 17 gets $50 now that's a week 17 idea I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 we use week 17 as our Pro Bowl Each team picks 5 players off their regular season roster and most points week 17 gets $50 That's pretty sweet. I think I'll try to pimp that idea in some of my leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 we use week 17 as our Pro Bowl Each team picks 5 players off their regular season roster and most points week 17 gets $50 Awesome idea!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 can MFL be configured for that Pro-Bowl idea? Or do you declare your starting five in a thread and then do the math? It can if you are set to allow partial lineups and do not have previous week's lineups copied over at any point. Just don't set up a schedule for that week as it is a play all, but MFL will calculate scores for the submitted starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm incorporating the Pro-Bowl idea in my local next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurkey Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 We're trying a combined score of weeks 16 and 17 as the "super bowl" ... anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Cuz the best teams have the best players and if the best players rest all or some of the game, then how is that an accurate reflection of the best FF team? Well let's look at this years situation. Currently the best teams are the Titans and Giants and they could rest players if needed. Eli, Jacobs, Boss, L. White, etc. are good role players but probably not carrying your team to a FF championship. Chris Johnson is a stud but hey it's one player. Adjust accordingly like you would have to any other week. Week 17 is highly exaggerated due to a few players POTENTIALLY missing time. In the NFL, Week 17 counts just as much as any other week so why do we ignore it in fantasy? In fact, week 17 and week 1 and have similar ?'s. Who's starting, how much will they play, who is the featured RB, how many targets are my WR's getting, Is my DEF aggressive and generating sacks, turnovers, etc. There are a whole bunch of other ?'s that only get answered when the games start which leads up to all the fun and anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Well let's look at this years situation. Currently the best teams are the Titans and Giants and they could rest players if needed. Eli, Jacobs, Boss, L. White, etc. are good role players but probably not carrying your team to a FF championship. Chris Johnson is a stud but hey it's one player. Adjust accordingly like you would have to any other week. Week 17 is highly exaggerated due to a few players POTENTIALLY missing time. In the NFL, Week 17 counts just as much as any other week so why do we ignore it in fantasy? In fact, week 17 and week 1 and have similar ?'s. Who's starting, how much will they play, who is the featured RB, how many targets are my WR's getting, Is my DEF aggressive and generating sacks, turnovers, etc. There are a whole bunch of other ?'s that only get answered when the games start which leads up to all the fun and anticipation. I am with you. People are in love with points. If they are used to scoring 80+ points a game and then the championship game is 65 to 54 they get all weird. And people are lazy, they don't want a search for the info on who is playing or not. They can't handle the disappointment of guessing wrong on one more thing. Week sixteen is lame IMO. No challenge. I like a challenge to align my roster considering players not playing, be proud of your depth. Don't be pussays. Same losers who are against incorperating stats corrections that come down on wednesday. "Oh but I won my game already and now I won't cause someone couldn't tell if a pass was a lateral in 40 seconds." Another thread ongoing. Boo hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm incorporating the Pro-Bowl idea in my local next year. Cool I hope you like it. We require 1 QB, 1 IDP and then any other 3 offensive players you like who are not QB's. Here is the catch. Players must have been on our rosters as of the end of our regular season games(wk 13) any player you add after week 14 is not eligible and pro bowl rosters must be submitted before the start of the week 14 games. Substitutions can only be made if a player is doubtful or worse on the week 17 injury report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 week 17 should not exist in the world of Fantasy Football... period...Championship is on week 16.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 week 17 should not exist in the world of Fantasy Football... period...Championship is on week 16.. +1billion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I started a league in 1990 and we have used week 17 to crown our champion every year. I would prefer not to play week 17 but when you have 12 teams you need 14 weeks for the regular season (8 games vs non div and 6 div games) also unless you want only 4 playoff teams you need weeks 15-16-17. We mirror the NFL going top 2 div winners byes 3rd div winner vs WC 3, WC 1 vs WC2. I really hope the NFL adds another game for the international sites that would be perfect then the season could end week 17 and week 18 could be for the pro bowl or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I started a league in 1990 and we have used week 17 to crown our champion every year. I would prefer not to play week 17 but when you have 12 teams you need 14 weeks for the regular season (8 games vs non div and 6 div games) also unless you want only 4 playoff teams you need weeks 15-16-17. We mirror the NFL going top 2 div winners byes 3rd div winner vs WC 3, WC 1 vs WC2. I really hope the NFL adds another game for the international sites that would be perfect then the season could end week 17 and week 18 could be for the pro bowl or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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