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That's a step in the right direction. and they have offered Burnett a 5 yr deal, no money disclosed, not sure if I agree with this one. Looks like Hank is trying to buy a playoff bid just like dad used too.

I'm more interested in what are their plans for the young arms they have most importantly Hughes and Joba.

In other news K-Rod is a Met, Dye a Red, and we get to see if Tex wants the money or a ring, since the Nationals offered him a 7-8 yr deal worth a poopyload of money.

Brewer fans any truth to the rumor that Prince is on the trade block?

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That's a step in the right direction. and they have offered Burnett a 5 yr deal, no money disclosed, not sure if I agree with this one. Looks like Hank is trying to buy a playoff bid just like dad used too.

I'm more interested in what are their plans for the young arms they have most importantly Hughes and Joba.

In other news K-Rod is a Met, Dye a Red, and we get to see if Tex wants the money or a ring, since the Nationals offered him a 7-8 yr deal worth a poopyload of money.

Brewer fans any truth to the rumor that Prince is on the trade block?

 

I read on Sportsline that the Nats are willing to offer Tex 10 years at over 20M per and Baltimore is willing to offer 9 years at around 20M per.

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That's a step in the right direction. and they have offered Burnett a 5 yr deal, no money disclosed, not sure if I agree with this one. Looks like Hank is trying to buy a playoff bid just like dad used too.

I'm more interested in what are their plans for the young arms they have most importantly Hughes and Joba.

In other news K-Rod is a Met, Dye a Red, and we get to see if Tex wants the money or a ring, since the Nationals offered him a 7-8 yr deal worth a poopyload of money.

Brewer fans any truth to the rumor that Prince is on the trade block?

 

Dye is not a RED, he is still with the White Sox. The Reds did trade for Hernadez from the O's

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Same ole Yanks, trying to buy a title. Its really pretty pathetic that every year they try and land the biggest prize and have no qualms at all about what it does to the game, when they do this. Nothing better than seeing the Phils and Rays do it the right way, building from their farm system, and trading for the occasional player they need. Not buy every player that hits the market.

 

The only thing more corrupt than college football needing a playoff is baseball needing a salary cap.

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Same ole Yanks, trying to buy a title. Its really pretty pathetic that every year they try and land the biggest prize and have no qualms at all about what it does to the game, when they do this. Nothing better than seeing the Phils and Rays do it the right way, building from their farm system, and trading for the occasional player they need. Not buy every player that hits the market.

 

The only thing more corrupt than college football needing a playoff is baseball needing a salary cap.

 

Not confirmed but just heard from a friend that they signed burnett as well and got cameron for melky

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Same ole Yanks, trying to buy a title. Its really pretty pathetic that every year they try and land the biggest prize and have no qualms at all about what it does to the game, when they do this. Nothing better than seeing the Phils and Rays do it the right way, building from their farm system, and trading for the occasional player they need. Not buy every player that hits the market.

 

The only thing more corrupt than college football needing a playoff is baseball needing a salary cap.

 

Like the players they threw out there last year. Posada, Jeter, Cano, Rivera, Pettite, Hughes, Wang, Kennedy... probably missed a few.

 

Much better to put in a cap so a team like the Rays can't trade Victor Zambrano for some minor league pitcher named Kazmir.

Much better to put in a cap so a team like the Brewers can't make a mid-season acquistion like CC for their playoff push.

Much better to put in a cap so that teams can't do anything to improve themselves once the season starts.

 

Who was the big prize they signed last year?

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"and we get to see if Tex wants the money or a ring, since the Nationals offered him a 7-8 yr deal worth a poopyload of money."

 

 

 

Which is very similar to what people said when Randy Johnson left the Astros to join the D-Backs. Might have been only a 4 year deal, but people assumed it was only about the money and they won anyway.

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Like the players they threw out there last year. Posada, Jeter, Cano, Rivera, Pettite, Hughes, Wang, Kennedy... probably missed a few.

 

Much better to put in a cap so a team like the Rays can't trade Victor Zambrano for some minor league pitcher named Kazmir.

Much better to put in a cap so a team like the Brewers can't make a mid-season acquistion like CC for their playoff push.

Much better to put in a cap so that teams can't do anything to improve themselves once the season starts.

 

Who was the big prize they signed last year?

 

 

You are damn right. The Rays didnt give Victor away for cap purposes. They were not contending and went for youth, with kazmir

Do you think the Brewers would have been over the cap, and not able to take on CC's salary.

Basically its the rich getting richer every year in baseball trades. Milwaukee actually gave up some prospects to get CC, but couldnt keep him because there is no cap. Do you think they would do the same deal again, if they knew the money was going to be this much. Hell even Yankee fans have to be scratching their heads at how much CC is getting in this financial market.

 

The Big prize last yr was Santana, and he was traded. He wasnt a FA.

 

Its sickening to see one team so fiscally irresponsible, that they are basically single handedly trying to ruin the game. Do they not know they need the other clubs to play against.

 

And Scott boras is just as guilty as NY. This guy has done more harm to the game than anyone other than Yankee management.

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Agree with Sarge. It's pretty much impossible to try and justify this deal. I think it goes down as one of the worst deals of all time. Baseball absolutely needs a salary cap. It's a great game that has been ruined. I used to be a serious Yankee fan in the 80's and 90's but the lack of a cap and these insane deals that have been given out have turned me and many others away.

 

The link below just solidified my growing hatred of the Yankees. How convenient that right after they beg the state for more money they throw this insane deal at CC. F the Yankees!

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3756072

 

 

NEW YORK -- The Yankees and Mets are asking the city for $450 million more in public bonds to finance their new ballparks, on top of nearly $1.5 billion they were already granted, according to the city's Economic Development Corp.

 

The teams requested the additional financing in applications filed with the city ahead of a public hearing on the funding next month. The applications have not yet been made public, but the city shared details in response to questions from The Associated Press.

 

In the Yankees' application, the team is asking for another $259 million in tax-exempt bonds and $111 million in taxable bonds, on top of $940 million in tax-exempt bonds and $25 million in taxable bonds already granted for its $1.3 billion stadium.

 

The Mets are requesting an additional $83 million, on top of $615 million already approved for their $800 million park.

 

The city's Industrial Development Agency must hold a hearing before granting any additional public support for the ballparks, which are expected to be completed next year. Mayor Michael Bloomberg and other city officials have long insisted that the city reaps economic and other benefits from having the private stadiums.

 

As part of a deal still being worked out for the additional financing, city officials say the Yankees have agreed to some givebacks. Those could include putting money into public parks and infrastructure near their new home in the Bronx.

 

The original financing plans were negotiated in 2006, but both teams indicated earlier this year that they intended to ask for more help as costs began to increase.

 

The additional cost to the city resulting from the use of tax-exempt bonds is expected to be $16 million for the Yankees deal, but nothing extra for the Mets deal because that financing was already figured into the plan approved in 2006 as a "contingency."

 

The Internal Revenue Service recently updated its rules to limit the way tax-exempt bonds can be used to pay for sports facilities, but after lobbying from the city, the IRS said those regulations will not affect "certain projects substantially in progress," including the two new baseball stadiums.

 

When it first came to light that the teams intended to ask for more help from the city, lawmakers at the state and federal level argued taxpayers were being cheated by the deals.

 

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat who heads the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has accused the city of misrepresenting the value of the Yankee Stadium land to get special tax deals from the IRS. Kucinich has said he believes there is "waste and abuse of public dollars" in the deal.

 

State Assemblyman Richard Brodsky is also investigating the projects. He believes the financing agreements were hammered out without taxpayer input.

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You guys are tough to please.

 

Baseball has had 8 different champions in the past 9 years. How is a cap going to level that out? Which salary cap sport boast that kind of balance?

 

You are right, the Rays weren't necessarily dumping Zambrano for money, but I'm sure the Mets would be near the cap, wouldn't have been able to do that trade. The Cubs traded Dontrelle Willis and other minor leaguers to the Marlins. Nope, lets just stop all the trading and not allow the bad teams to trade veterans to contenders to build for the future.

 

If we're lucky, maybe baseball can follow the NBA path, where teams are sacrificing two full seasons just to clear cap room for a particular free agent class. That would be much better.

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You guys are tough to please.

 

Baseball has had 8 different champions in the past 9 years. How is a cap going to level that out? Which salary cap sport boast that kind of balance?

 

You are right, the Rays weren't necessarily dumping Zambrano for money, but I'm sure the Mets would be near the cap, wouldn't have been able to do that trade. The Cubs traded Dontrelle Willis and other minor leaguers to the Marlins. Nope, lets just stop all the trading and not allow the bad teams to trade veterans to contenders to build for the future.

 

If we're lucky, maybe baseball can follow the NBA path, where teams are sacrificing two full seasons just to clear cap room for a particular free agent class. That would be much better.

 

 

NOt sure where you're coming from but here's the problem with the baseball structure of no salary cap and 'luxury tax': the Kansas City Royals are basically now subsidized by Boston and New York so those teams can beat them 12-15 times a year.

 

An NFL type of cap wouldn't do away with trading - is that what you're implying? Because if so that's WAY off base...

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You guys are tough to please.

 

Baseball has had 8 different champions in the past 9 years. How is a cap going to level that out? Which salary cap sport boast that kind of balance?

 

You are right, the Rays weren't necessarily dumping Zambrano for money, but I'm sure the Mets would be near the cap, wouldn't have been able to do that trade. The Cubs traded Dontrelle Willis and other minor leaguers to the Marlins. Nope, lets just stop all the trading and not allow the bad teams to trade veterans to contenders to build for the future.

 

If we're lucky, maybe baseball can follow the NBA path, where teams are sacrificing two full seasons just to clear cap room for a particular free agent class. That would be much better.

 

 

The Royals and Pirates are mathetmatically eliminated before opening day. My Rangers are even worse, they spend huge money on one player realize it didnt work and wont spend on anyone now.

 

a 85 Mil cap, with equal revenue sharing with all the teams, and ALL networks would be what is best for baseball.

 

What you fail to realize, is if there is a 85 mil cap per team, with true revenue sharing, there wont be a 161 mil contract to any player. Teams will spend more in line of the NFL. Top end players may make 100 mil, over 10 yrs. Your average pitcher will get a 3 yr, 3 mil deal, instead of 5 yr, 40 mil deal. More teams will be competitive, thus increase the interest in the sport.

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The Royals and Pirates are mathetmatically eliminated before opening day. My Rangers are even worse, they spend huge money on one player realize it didnt work and wont spend on anyone now.

 

a 85 Mil cap, with equal revenue sharing with all the teams, and ALL networks would be what is best for baseball.

 

What you fail to realize, is if there is a 85 mil cap per team, with true revenue sharing, there wont be a 161 mil contract to any player. Teams will spend more in line of the NFL. Top end players may make 100 mil, over 10 yrs. Your average pitcher will get a 3 yr, 3 mil deal, instead of 5 yr, 40 mil deal. More teams will be competitive, thus increase the interest in the sport.

 

The Royals and Pirates are eliminated? Last year you'd have said the Royals and Pirates and Rays, right? Before that you'd have said the Marlins. If they are eliminated opening day its because they are the worst run teams out there. The Twins are in the race almost every year. The A's lose players, and then they replace them. Have the Royals even drafted a player worth anything lately? What did they get for him when he left? The Royals are too busy signing guys like Jose Guillen to big money.

 

The Oklahoma City Thunder and the LA Clippers weren't eliminated opening day? The NBA has a cap and a lot less teams have a chance to win there.

 

You are trying to fix something is really isn't a problem. So what if someone got a $161M contract?

I didn't realize you were so concerned with the financial well being of the baseball owners and want the players to get paid so much less.

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Baseball (and soccer, internationally) are pure sports when it comes to the almighty dollar. The players get true market value. So what if the Yankees are on the hook for $23 mil a year for CC? At least 5 of those seasons will see him on the DL. That's their problem, not your team's.

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You are trying to fix something is really isn't a problem. So what if someone got a $161M contract?

I didn't realize you were so concerned with the financial well being of the baseball owners and want the players to get paid so much less.

 

 

You're still off base. It isn't the contract to whomever, it's the setup that allows one billionaire to subsidize another billionaire's team.

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The Royals and Pirates are eliminated? Last year you'd have said the Royals and Pirates and Rays, right? Before that you'd have said the Marlins. If they are eliminated opening day its because they are the worst run teams out there. The Twins are in the race almost every year. The A's lose players, and then they replace them. Have the Royals even drafted a player worth anything lately? What did they get for him when he left? The Royals are too busy signing guys like Jose Guillen to big money.

 

The Oklahoma City Thunder and the LA Clippers weren't eliminated opening day? The NBA has a cap and a lot less teams have a chance to win there.

 

You are trying to fix something is really isn't a problem. So what if someone got a $161M contract?

I didn't realize you were so concerned with the financial well being of the baseball owners and want the players to get paid so much less.

 

 

When there isnt a level playing field in a professional sport, its a problem. A huge problem.

 

There is less talent in the NBA than baseball. There are far fewer difference makers in that sport than in baseball. And when the poorer teams like Milwaukee who are very competitive lose their best player to the Yanks, over money the Brewers cant afford to spend, when the Yanks have an endless amount of revenue because of their popularity, that is a problem.

 

Lets turn this around to the NFL. Dallas brings more revenue to the NFL than both NY football teams combined. Yet they have to share their revenue with all the other 31 teams, so cities like Minnesota, San Diego, and Cleveland can have a franchise. If they were in charge of everything they bring in, and played their games on their own network like Ny does in baseball, and they got to keep all that money, and didnt have to share any of that with any other team, Dallas would be the Yankees of the NFL, and you would be screaming. And you would have every right to. if But because this is your baseball team, and another one of your teams isnt losing their players to Dallas, you see nothing wrong with it.

 

I could care less about the financial well being of baseball owners or players. What I want is a level financial playing field for all teams, so a team like Milwaukee doesnt lose its best player over price to a team that has no financial responsibility what so ever, and is only attempting to buy a championship when no other team has the means or desire to buy a title. And make no mistake, money doesnt buy titles. Ny has shown that. Which is another reason Id be embarassed to follow that team. They cant even win with the best players money can buy.

 

 

Edit to Add; The reason I care, is I love baseball. There is nothing more fulfilling than taking my kids to a Rangers game and having them enjoy a ball game. But, This sport is dying across the country because of signings like this. Teams like Kansas City who have a rich tradition of baseball in the 70s and 80s lose their best players via trade or free agency, because they cant afford to keep them, while teams like Ny can buy anyone they wish, pocket all the revenue they make because of the market they are in, and essentially ruin a great sport.

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Free agent right-hander A.J. Burnett has reached preliminary agreement on a five-year, $82.5 million contract with the New York Yankees, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

 

 

 

Burnett

While Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and Burnett's agent, Darek Braunecker are still negotiating final contract terms, the deal is expected to be complete once Burnett passes a physical exam, the source said.

 

Burnett, who turns 32 in January, will join CC Sabathia at the top of a revamped starting rotation in New York. The Yankees agreed to terms on a seven-year, $161 million contract with Sabathia earlier this week.

 

The Yankees made a late charge to beat out the Atlanta Braves for Burnett, who went 18-10 with a 4.07 ERA in 35 starts with Toronto this season. New York is still looking for one more starter, and Cashman left the winter meetings in Las Vegas this week to meet with long-time Yankee Andy Pettitte.

 

In December 2005, Braunecker and his agency, Frontline Sports Management, negotiated a five-year, $55 million deal that included an opt out clause after three seasons. It was the first opt-out provision ever in a pitcher's contract.

 

Between the money that Burnett earned in Toronto and the guaranteed $82.5 million that he's scheduled to receive from the Yankees, his overall payout from the 2005 Toronto contract will amount to $115.5 million over eight seasons.

 

 

 

 

 

What next Texeira at 1st.

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The Yankees put a quality product on the field to draw fans. It works as they have over 4 million a year.

They still make money every year as the value of their team rises about $200 million a year and the team is worth about $1.2 billion if you were interested in buying. The way I see it is this is the capatalistic system at work.

 

A look at their finances:

 

Sources of Revenue: Stadium tickets: $117 million (4.2 million tickets at an average of $28 each); YES network TV/radio rights: $60 million; Major League TV and licensing: $30 million; concessions: $10 million; sponsorships and advertising: $30 million; premium seating: $27 million; local radio: $13 million; catering: $5 million; other: $10 million.

Annual Overhead Costs: Player salaries: $195 million; Major League revenue-sharing fees: $70 million; Major League luxury tax: $25 million; stadium operations: $20 million; travel and training: $20 million.

 

If the Yankees were losing money every year your arguements would hold water but they don't.

 

The Yankees have been doing this since the current family purchased the team in 1973. How many teams have gone out of business since then due to the Yankees operating mode?

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You don't want a billionaire to subsidize another team? So you'd eliminate all revenue sharing and luxury taxes entirely? I don't think they need to go that far.

 

 

Did I say that? Why are you being intetnionally obtuse/ Oh wait, that's what people do who are losing their argument: they change it.

 

Go back to my Kansas City Royals statement. Go find where I said they should adopt an NFL style system (which includes revenue sharing but NOT a luxury tax).

 

in other words, stick to the topic at hand and you'll learn something.

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