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Randy Moss without Brady


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Same old argument...look how many QB's Moss played under and made them look good...

 

Brad Johnson

Randal Cunningham

Gus Freotte

Duante Culpepper

Kerry Collins

Tom Brady

Matt Cassel

 

 

Brad Johnson won a Superbowl without Moss, Cunningham was a HOF quarterback without Moss, We've seen how good Frerotte is this year in Minnesota without Moss, Culpepper was pretty good before his injury as his production was just as solid when Moss was injured, we've seen how good Kerry Collins is this year in Tennessee, and Tom Brady had won 3 Superbowls before Moss even entered the picture. I really don't think he made any of these quarterbacks "look" good.

The verdict is still out on Matt Cassell, but he looks pretty decent as well.

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Well, the SB isnt until Feb., so that alone is a good 3 months. Then the draft in April, is what, 5 months from now? That puts him at about 8-9 months from the time he was injured. I dont know the date they have to have declared franchise players though...

 

Paging Big John...

Your calendar could use an oil change. The post above is dated 12/15 and the SB is on Feb 1, so a mere 47 days between them - 1 1/2 months, not 3.

 

You're a lot closer on the draft though - April 25/26. :wacko:

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Tom Brady had won 3 Superbowls before Moss even entered the picture.

 

Yeah so imagine the expectations that were made for the two future HOFers.

 

In nine seasons, and 138 games, Moss has 676 receptions for 10,700 yards and 101 touchdowns. The five-time Pro Bowl performer and former Marshall star, who was drafted by Minnesota in the first round in 1998, is the only player in league history to register 1,000 or more receiving yards in each of his first six seasons in the league.

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Tom Brady had won 3 Superbowls before Moss even entered the picture.

 

Yeah so imagine the expectations that were made for the two future HOFers.

 

In nine seasons, and 138 games, Moss has 676 receptions for 10,700 yards and 101 touchdowns. The five-time Pro Bowl performer and former Marshall star, who was drafted by Minnesota in the first round in 1998, is the only player in league history to register 1,000 or more receiving yards in each of his first six seasons in the league.

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Umm...he caught the go ahead touchdown with 2:42 left in the game. I'm sure he was just padding his stats though. :wacko:

 

 

That is true..But what I meant by pad was if it wasnt for a couple of late grabs in the final drives his stats would have been terrible for the biggest game in his career. He was largely missing from the game in the first 3 quarters

 

edit to add Moss game stats

 

R. Moss 5 62 12.4 1 18

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Here is the play by play for the 4th Q . It looks like heading into the 4th q Moss had 1 catch . Ive never seen Jerry Rice dissapear like that in the superbowl :wacko:

 

 

1st and 10 at NE 11 (10:59) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss to NE 28 for 17 yards (A.Pierce).

1st and 10 at NE 28 (10:26) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NE 31 for 3 yards (S.Madison).

2nd and 7 at NE 31 (9:41) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to R.Moss.

3rd and 7 at NE 31 (9:36) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to W.Welker (S.Madison).

4th and 7 at NE 31 (9:30) C.Hanson punts 49 yards to NYG 20, Center-L.Paxton. R.McQuarters pushed ob at NYG 29 for 9 yards (L.Izzo).

 

New York Giants at 9:20 NYG NWE

1st and 10 at NYG 29 (9:20) B.Jacobs up the middle to NYG 30 for 1 yard (T.Warren, R.Seymour).

2nd and 9 at NYG 30 (8:32) E.Manning pass incomplete deep left to P.Burress.

3rd and 9 at NYG 30 (8:24) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to A.Toomer to NYG 38 for 8 yards (R.Harrison).

4th and 1 at NYG 38 (8:02) J.Feagles punts 42 yards to NE 20, Center-Z.DeOssie, fair catch by W.Welker.

 

New England Patriots at 7:54 NYG NWE

1st and 10 at NE 20 (7:54) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to W.Welker to NE 25 for 5 yards (K.Mitchell).

2nd and 5 at NE 25 (7:19) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss to NE 35 for 10 yards (C.Webster).

1st and 10 at NE 35 (6:39) L.Maroney left end pushed ob at NE 44 for 9 yards (Ja.Butler).

2nd and 1 at NE 44 (6:14) T.Brady pass short right to W.Welker to NYG 43 for 13 yards (A.Pierce, Ja.Butler).

1st and 10 at NYG 43 (5:27) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to K.Faulk pushed ob at NYG 39 for 4 yards (A.Pierce).

2nd and 6 at NYG 39 (5:01) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 29 for 10 yards (Ja.Butler).

1st and 10 at NYG 29 (4:15) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to D.Stallworth.

2nd and 10 at NYG 29 (4:12) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss to NYG 18 for 11 yards (A.Pierce).

1st and 10 at NYG 18 (3:31) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to NYG 6 for 12 yards (Ja.Butler). NYG-F.Robbins was

injured during the play.

1st and 6 at NYG 6 (2:55) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Moss.

2nd and 6 at NYG 6 (2:49) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to W.Welker. NYG-Ja.Butler was injured during the play.

3rd and 6 at NYG 6 (2:45) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 10 13

S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-C.Hanson. 10 14

S.Gostkowski kicks 67 yards from NE 30 to NYG 3. D.Hixon to NYG 17 for 14 yards (R.Ventrone).

DRIVE TOTALS: NYG 10 NE 14, 12 plays, 80 yards, 5:12 drive, 12:18 elapsed

 

New York Giants at 2:42, (1st play from scrimmage 2:39) NYG NWE

1st and 10 at NYG 17 (2:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to A.Toomer to NYG 28 for 11 yards (R.Harrison).

1st and 10 at NYG 28 (2:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to P.Burress.

2nd and 10 at NYG 28 (2:04) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to P.Burress.

Two-Minute Warning

3rd and 10 at NYG 28 (1:59) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to A.Toomer to NYG 37 for 9 yards (R.Harrison).

4th and 1 at NYG 37 (1:34) B.Jacobs up the middle to NYG 39 for 2 yards (V.Wilfork, R.Seymour).

1st and 10 at NYG 39 (1:28) (Shotgun) E.Manning scrambles right tackle to NYG 44 for 5 yards (A.Thomas).

Timeout #1 by NYG at 01:20.

2nd and 5 at NYG 44 (1:20) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to D.Tyree.

3rd and 5 at NYG 44 (1:15) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass deep middle to D.Tyree to NE 24 for 32 yards (R.Harrison).

Timeout #2 by NYG at 00:59.

1st and 10 at NE 24 (:59) (Shotgun) E.Manning sacked at NE 25 for -1 yards (A.Thomas).

Timeout #3 by NYG at 00:51.

2nd and 11 at NE 25 (:51) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to D.Tyree (B.Meriweather).

3rd and 11 at NE 25 (:45) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to S.Smith pushed ob at NE 13 for 12 yards (B.Meriweather).

1st and 10 at NE 13 (:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to P.Burress for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 16 14

L.Tynes extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Alford, Holder-J.Feagles. 17 14

L.Tynes kicks 61 yards from NYG 30 to NE 9. L.Maroney to NE 26 for 17 yards (Z.DeOssie, C.Blackburn).

DRIVE TOTALS: NYG 17 NE 14, 12 plays, 83 yards, 2:07 drive, 14:25 elapsed

 

New England Patriots at 0:35, (1st play from scrimmage 0:29) NYG NWE

1st and 10 at NE 26 (:29) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to J.Gaffney.

2nd and 10 at NE 26 (:25) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 16 for -10 yards (J.Alford).

Timeout #1 by NE at 00:19.

3rd and 20 at NE 16 (:19) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to R.Moss (C.Webster).

Timeout #2 by NE at 00:10.

4th and 20 at NE 16 (:10) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to R.Moss (G.Wilson).

 

New York Giants at 0:01 NYG NWE

1st and 10 at NE 16 (:01) E.Manning kneels to NE 17 for -1 yards.

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