Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Link to Denver Post story Broncos' talk with Cutler sours QB is unsure he'll attend workouts Monday after a call team officials contend was positive. By Mike Klis The Denver Post Posted: 03/10/2009 07:33:43 PM MDT Updated: 03/11/2009 06:16:27 AM MDT According to an NFL source, Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler came away from a conference call with team officials Monday believing that for the right deal, he would be traded between now and the NFL draft, which begins April 25. Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not comment, but a source close to the team said Broncos officials had a different interpretation of how the conference call went. McDaniels was joined on one end of the conference call by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, general manager Brian Xanders and chief operating officer Joe Ellis. Cutler was in Nashville, Tenn., during the call and was accompanied by his agent, Bus Cook. ... McDaniels said he merely received calls on Cutler from other teams and announced through a team spokesman last week that "the Denver Broncos are not trading Jay Cutler. Period." Still, leak of the proposed trade stung Cutler, who believed he was misled by McDaniels. According to both NFL sources, Cutler and Broncos officials entered the conference call believing any friction between the two parties would be resolved and the two sides would put the controversy behind them. Apparently, only the team officials came away satisfied. Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. Offseason conditioning workouts are — by de-finition — "voluntary," but players understand coaches expect them to attend. According to the source close to the Broncos, McDaniels said only that the team looked forward to seeing Cutler on Monday. Thus, the next stage in this McJaygate drama. According to the NFL source, Cutler has not yet decided whether he would report Monday. If Cutler doesn't report to Broncos headquarters next week, he would be viewed as undermining McDaniels' authority. What would the team do then? The Broncos may have no other choice but to move the player who in recent years has been dubbed not just the quarterback, but the "franchise" quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) Cutler: I heard that you wanted to trade me for freakin' Matt Cassel? McDaniels: Yep. I firmly believe that a QB who before last season had not taken a meaningful snap in a football game since high school is a whole lot better than you are, Cutler. Even though you have incredible arm strength, throw great passes in great position for the reciever to catch, are strong as an ox in the pocket, can run with power when needed, are smart enough to be a Rhodes scholar, and approach the game with the mentality of an O lineman I still think my buddy Matty is a hell of lot better than you'll ever be. Cutler: And on top of that, you all got rid of two of my best friends and myspace pals - Shanahan & Koutevides - and you are trying to trade another one in Schefler, and you still expect me to want to play football fo you? McDaniels: Yep. See you Monday. Cutler: Whatever... Edited March 11, 2009 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 And for the record as to my opinion: If you want to stay coaching in the league for any significant period, you do not even listen to any trade offers for a QB that has the kind of ability that Cutler does. McDaniels and his "no player is untradeable" position has pushed Cutler into a corner and Cutler isn't dealing with it well. But being the HC, McDaniels ought to be doing eveything in his power to diffuse the situation - at least publicly - and that doesn't mean making tacit threats during a kiss & make up conference call. Now he's basicly challenged Cutler straight up as to whether Cutler shows up for "voluntary" offseason work. McDaniels by league contract can not force Cutler to be there and so McDaniels has placed Cutler in a position where Cutler now holds the cards and can escalate the situation if he so chooses. That downright moronic behavior by a HC when you're dealing with a bonafide franchise player who obviously has some growing up to do. Based upon McDaniels' body of work so far in his incredibly short tenure as a HC here, I have a feeling DEN is going to be looking for another HC in the very near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdog Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Cutler: I heard that you wanted to trade me for freakin' Matt Cassel? McDaniels: Yep. You've never even taken a snap in a playoff game. Cutler: Even though I have incredible arm strength, throw great passes in great position for the reciever to catch, are strong as an ox in the pocket, can run with power when needed, are smart enough to be a Rhodes scholar, and approach the game with the mentality of an O lineman? McDaniels: I still think my buddy Matty is a hell of lot better than you'll ever be. Cutler: And on top of that, you all got rid of two of my best friends and myspace pals - Shanahan & Koutevides - and you are trying to trade another one in Schefler, and you still expect me to want to play football fo you? McDaniels: Yep. See you Monday. Cutler: Whatever... Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) " Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha " Love, Phillip Rivers Edited March 11, 2009 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 McDaniels seems very full of himself and arrogant so far. Since no Belichick disciple has been successful at all I find this very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Do you think that his diabetic condition has anything to do with all of this? Certainly seemed like he could manage it last season, but maybe there are some longer-term concerns. That's obviously not something that the Broncos could cite as a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 McDaniels seems very full of himself and arrogant so far. Since no Belichick disciple has been successful at all I find this very odd. +1 Clearly, I'm no fan of the Broncos... but Cutler is a great QB, It's raining men! Hallelulah! It's raining men! are they thinking? I would have thought building up AROUND Cutler would be #1 priority, not starting over without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 RIP Denver Broncos in 09-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 RIP Denver Broncos in 09-10 Looking that way so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Franchise QBs are not easy to come by. The Broncos are being extremely stupid in this situation. If they want to flounder for years without a top field general we will certainly take him in Minnesota and let him grow up a bit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I read that the Eagles and Broncos had trade talks on gcobb.com but then I fished out the article on the Denver Post I think (i forget a lot) and it was just the guy writing the article saying that the Eagles and Broncos should work out a trade as an Eagles fan, I really hope that "nobody is untradable" and that the Broncos could be suckered into taking McNabb and a 1st or whatever is needed for Cutler who is one of my favorite young QB's right now..... it would make the Eagles FO look like a bunch of geniuses after just recently pissing the fans off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 this whole thing is just so unbelievably stupid by the people running the broncos. yeah cutler is being a bit of a girl about it, or at least he's being portrayed that way through second and third hand media accounts, but at this point I really can't blame him for not trusting the team. they are not treating him the way a new regime treats a franchise QB they want to build around. they are treating him like a piece of meat they'd really rather sell for the right price. maybe they could sell me on that outlook if there were a good alternative. but what are the alternatives? an old guy like mcnabb? wasting a first round pick on a rookie who, if you're really lucky, turns out to be, well, as good as cutler in 2 or 3 years? chris f*cking simms? what a joke. it's amateur hour at dove valley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 it's amateur hour at dove valley Right on - who out there is in a position to trade for him? Detroit? I see that the Vikings, Jets could use him with MAYBE the Bears, Rams, Titans, Bucs or 9ers being in a position of need but also with someone in place for the moment. That's it. You're pissing the guy off for an outside shot at...what? The overall #1 from Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 Pretty good article by Bill Williamson, who used to be the Broncos' beat writer: link Three ways the Broncos can move forward March 6, 2009 12:00 PM Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson No matter whom you side with, or whether the Broncos' fractured relationship with franchise quarterback Jay Cutler gets repaired, the Josh McDaniels era in Denver has started on shaky ground. No team in the NFL has dealt with such unnecessary controversy this offseason. The entire organization must learn from this. Under the tandem of owner Pat Bowlen and coach Mike Shanahan, the Broncos were known as a team players wanted to play for. After the McDaniels-Cutler fiasco, that could change. Denver may not be looked at as such a desirable destination after McDaniels engaged in trade talks for Cutler last week, reportedly having considered bringing on board Matt Cassel, who played for him in New England. The Broncos have announced they will not trade Cutler now and the two sides are expected to communicate soon in an attempt to mend fences. Even if Cutler and McDaniels, who Cutler has maintained were building a strong, new relationship, can find a common ground, it will hover over the 32-year-old coach as he tries to turn around Denver, which stumbled in the final two seasons of the Shanahan era. Denver must learn a valuable lesson from the saga. Things like this just can't happen again. Yes, it could all end well, but this was a serious warning sign for a team that is trying to restore its winning ways. Here are three areas Denver must pay attention to as it tries to move forward from this public relations disaster. Bowlen must take charge: Bowlen is not used to being in the spotlight for such drama. It mus be eating at him. Bowlen has a reputation around the league as being one of the better owners. He is smart, gives his team what it needs to win and his main business interest is the Broncos. He loves his team and he is a daily presence. He must become a bigger presence. In fact, Bowlen must live up to his own words. It starts with him. He seemed to get that when he fired Shanahan. He made a point to say that he would be making the final call on matters. Under Shanahan, it was well known in league circles that Shanahan ran the show in Denver. Bowlen is a quiet, shy, nice man who has believed his football people should run the football side. Still, many thought Shanahan took advantage of his ultra-long leash and there were no checks and balances in Denver the past couple of years. Bowlen seemed to sense public perception by making a point of saying he'd be more involved after firing Shanahan. But, the word around Denver was that McDaniels, 32, was given the keys to the house in the early stages of his Denver tenure, just as Shanahan was. Now that this Cutler situation has blown up in Denver's face, perhaps Bowlen truly will take charge. McDaniels needs to be more open minded: McDaniels can make up for this situation quickly, but it is absurd that he is looked at so skeptically less than two months after being hired. Remember, he is six months away from coaching his first game and he's already a villain in some circles in Denver. But the truth is, McDaniels put himself in this situation. He talked about Cassel despite having a Pro Bowl quarterback who is 25. That raised questions. Why would McDaniels want to trade the younger, more experienced, more accomplished Cutler for Cassel? Perhaps this Patriot Way thing has gotten a tad clouded. McDaniels has been able to build his team the way he wants and he is making wholesale changes, all the way down to replacing long snapper Mike Leach, who was virtually perfect in Denver in seven seasons, for the equally solid Lonie Paxton. Paxton was with New England. He is good but so is Leach, and many people around Denver didn't think this move was necessary, especially on the first day of free agency with Denver having so many needs on defense. A long snapper is a luxury in free agency and Denver already had a solid snapper. It is completely within McDaniels' right to construct the team the way he wants, but he has to realize there is a world out outside of New England. Ultimately, McDaniels' biggest problem was he discussed trading for Cassel and trading Cutler without getting it done. If you are going to investigate this type of dramatic move, you better get it done or it will explode. And, boy, did it explode. McDaniels is young and he is going to make mistakes. He made a huge miscue weeks into his tenure. He can and he will likely survive it, but he must learn from it. Reward Cutler: A major theme between the Broncos and Cutler's upcoming meeting will likely be trust. The Broncos said this week that they will not trade Cutler, and they were emphatic about it. Still, the meeting will be lively to say the least. Cutler told ESPN's Chris Mortensen last week the Broncos were denying seeking a trade while he said he knew for a fact they were in trade discussions. He wants the Broncos to level with him. Cutler will certainly want to be reassured when he meets with McDaniels. Cutler is open to talking and staying, but those close to him say he wants to make sure he can trust the team. Yes, Denver said it won't trade him, but since Cassel is off the market there are no clear options as Cutler's replacement. Denver will likely have to do more than just say he won't be traded to appease the quarterback. Here's what Denver should do: give Cutler a long contract extension. He has three more seasons remaining on his rookie contract that he signed in 2006, so it would be a bit unusual giving him a new contract with just half of his existing deal over. But it is also unusual to talk about dealing a 25-year-old Pro Bowl player. Giving Cutler a new contract would be an ultimate sign of good faith by Denver. And it would end any trade discussions or talk of Cutler trying to leave through restricted free agency in two years. It would make life normal again. Denver is teeming with salary-cap room and this would be a good time to do it. Plus, there is no reason not to. Cutler is a quality player who is going to be in the league for a long time. If the two sides work out their differences, the Broncos would likely want to re-sign him down the road anyway. Why not do it now? If the Broncos want to do right by Cutler and make a positive out of this offseason disaster, giving him an extension will go a long way in moving on from this drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 What i don't get is Cutler is the one saying he was going to be traded and the one causing the uproar. McDaniels has repeatedly said, he is not trading Cutler. There is no hard evidence, beyond offseason rumor mills, that the Broncos have tried to trade him. Yet everyone here seems to be taking the approach that it is McDaniels who did something wrong. Maybe Cutler needs to grow a pair and man up. There are only a hnadful of NON-TRADEABLE players in the NFL and frankly, Cutler ain't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 What i don't get is Cutler is the one saying he was going to be traded and the one causing the uproar. McDaniels has repeatedly said, he is not trading Cutler. There is no hard evidence, beyond offseason rumor mills, that the Broncos have tried to trade him. Yet everyone here seems to be taking the approach that it is McDaniels who did something wrong. Maybe Cutler needs to grow a pair and man up. There are only a hnadful of NON-TRADEABLE players in the NFL and frankly, Cutler ain't one of them. Seems like he was blatantly lied to, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Cutler needs to get the sand out of his vag. It's a business and players come up in trade talks every single day, even the Pro Bowl players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Seems like he was blatantly lied to, actually. I guess that depends on whose story you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I guess that depends on whose story you believe. not really. I mean, I assume that if all the reports about cutler being dangled for cassel were false, the broncos would have immediately come out and said so. they never did. likewise, if cutler precipitated all of this by asking for a trade (a rumor that has never been substantiated by ANYTHING said by either side in any of this, I will add), none of this makes any sense whatsoever. I mean, why would a guy who demanded a trade feel betrayed when the team tried to trade him? and why would the team be calling him trying to appease him, and making poorly timed statements that "he will NOT be traded". I mean, it really isn't hard to read between a few of the lines and figure out exactly how this whole mess came about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) Cutler needs to get the sand out of his vag. It's a business and players come up in trade talks every single day, even the Pro Bowl players. Cutler needs badly to grow a thicker skin - no question. That doesn't excuse McDaniels' behavior in all of this. Despite finding himself in a hole early on, for some reason he refuses to stop digging.... And this isn't the only thing that one can be highly critical of McDaniels & the new regime regarding the behavior so far. I'm still trying to figure out how they intend to implement a 3-4 D with maybe one player currently on the roster who might be capable of playing on the D-line. He signs a freakin' long snapper (despite already having a very good one on the roster whom he let go) but he doesn't address the woeful shortcomings on the D-line? He can only do so much in the draft, and that's assuming he hits on his picks that can start from day 1 there. Belicek gets away with his behavior because he wins. That doesn't wash with an unproven HC.... Edited March 11, 2009 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Cutler needs to get the sand out of his vag. It's a business and players come up in trade talks every single day, even the Pro Bowl players. Saying that might make you feel more manly (like Mark Schlereth), but it's just ignorant. First of all, Pro Bowl players RARELY are discussed in trade negotiations. 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterbacks NEVER get discussed. Why would you assume otherwise? Secondly, it's pretty clear that McDaniels told Cutler one thing, then did something completely different, and still hasn't been honest about what he did or didn't do. Are you implying that Cutler shouldn't bat an eyelash when he realizes the only thing he knows about his new boss is that he'll lie when it suits him? I don't blame Cutler in the slightest for how he feels right now. Bus Cook isn't a "publicist agent," per se (a la Rosenhaus), so Cutler has been portrayed pretty unfairly in the media. Still, considering he's an extremely talented young player at the most important position in sports, he's entitled to exercise whatever leverage he has. At least he's being honest about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Cutler needs to get the sand out of his vag. It's a business and players come up in trade talks every single day, even the Pro Bowl players. I agree. Does anyone think that the new guy is supposed to come in and kiss Cutler's ass? Please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree. Does anyone think that the new guy is supposed to come in and kiss Cutler's ass? Please I agree as well. At the end of the day, it's a business. If he was discussed in trade talks, so be it. He needs to realize he's getting paid boatloads of money, and regardless of where he plays, he still gets the money. Shut up and play the damn game. It's not so much that he's bitching about this incedent, it's that every time Aunt Flow visits Jay, he has to let everyone know. Like I said... Jay Cutler=Bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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