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NE /KC Trade - Is there more to it than what we see


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To me that trade to KC is even more puzzling after these last few moves.

 

Vrabel was one of your best defensive play makers, even if he is getting older.

 

But this team doesnt care about age, they want experience.

 

NE just signed over 30 players such as Shawn Springs, Joey Galloway, Fred Taylor, and many other of these type of guys over the past few years.

 

Junior Seau and Rodney Harrison, to name a few more.

 

So NE just ships out Vrabel as a throw in with the Cassell Trade to KC.

 

Smells fishy as hell.

 

Id bet my last dollar, Pioli knew of more of Bill Belicheats wrong doings, and Vrabel and Cassell for a 2nd is to keep him quiet. There is no way NE couldnt get more for Cassell alone, let alone Vrabel included than a 2nd round pick.

 

 

Didnt a 2nd rounder get the Pats Wes Welker, a avg WR before he hooked up with Tom Brady

Didnt another 2nd rounder get them aging RB Cory Dillon.

 

And NE is going to give away 2 productive players, Cassell who many think is a franchise QB for just a 2nd rounder.

 

Something about just isnt right.

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I think of it this way...yes, the other teams offered higher picks but most likely NE did not see a player they needed at those spots. If they took that higher spot and took the player they could get in the second round, they would have to pay him more money. Get the 2nd round pick in a perfect spot for a targeted player and do not over pay for him.

 

Plus, they didn't really need Vrabel anymore with how well Jerod Mayo came out from the start.

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To me that trade to KC is even more puzzling after these last few moves.

 

Vrabel was one of your best defensive play makers, even if he is getting older.

 

But this team doesnt care about age, they want experience.

 

NE just signed over 30 players such as Shawn Springs, Joey Galloway, Fred Taylor, and many other of these type of guys over the past few years.

 

Junior Seau and Rodney Harrison, to name a few more.

 

So NE just ships out Vrabel as a throw in with the Cassell Trade to KC.

 

Smells fishy as hell.

 

Id bet my last dollar, Pioli knew of more of Bill Belicheats wrong doings, and Vrabel and Cassell for a 2nd is to keep him quiet. There is no way NE couldnt get more for Cassell alone, let alone Vrabel included than a 2nd round pick.

 

 

Didnt a 2nd rounder get the Pats Wes Welker, a avg WR before he hooked up with Tom Brady

Didnt another 2nd rounder get them aging RB Cory Dillon.

 

And NE is going to give away 2 productive players, Cassell who many think is a franchise QB for just a 2nd rounder.

 

Something about just isnt right.

 

Usually, I'm one to laugh at conspiracy theories but this makes a lot of sense to me.

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Oh come. They're buddies here. If Pioli knew something, he wouldn't hold it above the Pats head. He'd just keep quiet.

 

My scenario is that Pioli wouldn't take on Cassell's contract issue alone. He knew how many ways a player like Vrabel would help this young defense, and made it a sticking point in the deal. BB's ego makes him think he can replace a player like Vrabel. He'll create another one the same way. Eventually he just gave in and agreed to the deal. It is also possible that BB dangled Vrabel's name in front of his buddies face to try and warm him up to the trade. Maybe Pioi wasn't truly sold that Cassell is that much better than Thigpen. I'm certainly not.

 

I see cahoots. I don't see blackmail.

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I guess a central question here is how much did new england save by shipping Vrabel rather than by simply cutting him? They did save a ton by trading Cassel and picked up a second round pick that they never would have gotten had they not franchised him in the first place.

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Oh come. They're buddies here. If Pioli knew something, he wouldn't hold it above the Pats head. He'd just keep quiet.

 

My scenario is that Pioli wouldn't take on Cassell's contract issue alone. He knew how many ways a player like Vrabel would help this young defense, and made it a sticking point in the deal. BB's ego makes him think he can replace a player like Vrabel. He'll create another one the same way. Eventually he just gave in and agreed to the deal. It is also possible that BB dangled Vrabel's name in front of his buddies face to try and warm him up to the trade. Maybe Pioi wasn't truly sold that Cassell is that much better than Thigpen. I'm certainly not.

 

I see cahoots. I don't see blackmail.

 

IMO, this scenario is more likely than the first.

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I think of it this way...yes, the other teams offered higher picks but most likely NE did not see a player they needed at those spots. If they took that higher spot and took the player they could get in the second round, they would have to pay him more money. Get the 2nd round pick in a perfect spot for a targeted player and do not over pay for him.

 

Plus, they didn't really need Vrabel anymore with how well Jerod Mayo came out from the start.

this theory makes alot of sense to me

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Vrabel was due a roster bonus, I believe on March 1st, of at least a million, if not more. That, added to his salary, would have meant the Pat's were going to be paying him in the neighborhood of $4 mill this year. That was never going to happen. Vrabel knew about the trade at least two days before it was announced, meaning he was involved in it. I think the Pats told him he would be released unless he could be moved. They showed him a lot of respect by trading him instead of cutting him.

 

Here's the part nobody is grasping. No other team was willing to take Vrabel as part of the deal. This was a roster dump, and a salary dump. Getting rid of Vrabel in a deal where they picked up a pick that could be used to select his replacement was key. They cleared lots of cap space to be able to bring in multiple "older" players. Nobody they signed so far is costing them $4 this year.

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I think of it this way...yes, the other teams offered higher picks but most likely NE did not see a player they needed at those spots. If they took that higher spot and took the player they could get in the second round, they would have to pay him more money. Get the 2nd round pick in a perfect spot for a targeted player and do not over pay for him.

 

Plus, they didn't really need Vrabel anymore with how well Jerod Mayo came out from the start.

 

 

Vrabel was due a roster bonus, I believe on March 1st, of at least a million, if not more. That, added to his salary, would have meant the Pat's were going to be paying him in the neighborhood of $4 mill this year. That was never going to happen. Vrabel knew about the trade at least two days before it was announced, meaning he was involved in it. I think the Pats told him he would be released unless he could be moved. They showed him a lot of respect by trading him instead of cutting him.

 

Here's the part nobody is grasping. No other team was willing to take Vrabel as part of the deal. This was a roster dump, and a salary dump. Getting rid of Vrabel in a deal where they picked up a pick that could be used to select his replacement was key. They cleared lots of cap space to be able to bring in multiple "older" players. Nobody they signed so far is costing them $4 this year.

 

I think this is what it is in reality.

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New England was offered a 1 for Cassell. New England could have trade down and acquired more picks and still got the player they want in round 2.

 

Vrabel is a bargain at 4 million a year this year. By trading Cassell, the Pats cleared 17 mil in cap space.

 

 

And last time I checked you needed more than just 1 LB, Mayo to start for your team. Vrabel was a perfect mentor to Mayo.

 

Mayo also played inside, where Vrabel played outside.

 

Vrabel was never going to be cut. For people to even suggest that is insanse. Dude is still a very nice player and fits perfectly to what they were trying to accomplish. Remember how much jack New England paid to Adalius Thomas . He is the cap casualty, not Vrabel if New England was cutting payroll.

 

 

This deal stinks, and the theories above are ludicrous.

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Vrabel was due a roster bonus, I believe on March 1st, of at least a million, if not more. That, added to his salary, would have meant the Pat's were going to be paying him in the neighborhood of $4 mill this year. That was never going to happen. Vrabel knew about the trade at least two days before it was announced, meaning he was involved in it. I think the Pats told him he would be released unless he could be moved. They showed him a lot of respect by trading him instead of cutting him.

 

Here's the part nobody is grasping. No other team was willing to take Vrabel as part of the deal. This was a roster dump, and a salary dump. Getting rid of Vrabel in a deal where they picked up a pick that could be used to select his replacement was key. They cleared lots of cap space to be able to bring in multiple "older" players. Nobody they signed so far is costing them $4 this year.

 

 

 

Vrabel was never going to be dumped, He costs less than Adalius Thomas, and is a more effective player. If anyone was going to be dumped, it was Thomas.

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i love how to justify yer argument you act like youve been in foxboro evaluating players with belichick and his staff....like you know how they view guys...lolol

 

yes its true....pioli has the walk through tape

 

 

 

 

When its common knowledge teams offered a 1st round pick for Cassell, and New England takes a 2 instead, from someone who knows about all his shenanigans, its fishy as hell.

 

 

When its common knowledge New England coverts experienced players, there is no way they are just throwing Vrabel into a deal.

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oh wait....hes not there...why? because this depth chart is from when they still had cassel and mike vrabel and probably before they signed cain....hmmmm thats why....these are outdated depth charts......interesting

 

i see yer point now!

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oh wait....hes not there...why? because this depth chart is from when they still had cassel and mike vrabel and probably before they signed cain....hmmmm thats why....these are outdated depth charts......interesting

 

i see yer point now!

 

LMAO,

 

So you are suggesting Cain is an upgrade over Vrabel.

 

Surely you jest.

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LMAO,

 

So you are suggesting Cain is an upgrade over Vrabel.

 

Surely you jest.

 

 

no im not suggesting that...i will suggest that a platoon of cain, pierre woods, and a very promising 2nd year guy in shawn crable can get the job done

 

i was suggesting what is the point of of showing us two out of date patriots depth charts?

 

not to mention there is the possibility of bringing in jason taylor

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Ok, here's why this theory doesn't work.

 

1. If Pioli had info on wrong doings, then he was apart of them and that would put him and KC in a bad spot, should he come forward. Conversely, Belichek would say that Pioli was coming forward now cuz he wouldn't trade Cassel for a 2nd round pick.

 

2. BB and NE pretty much feel untouchable, so I don't think he'd be the least bit concern.

 

3. BB has demonstrated that he will do what's best for his team. If he felt that he could've gotten a better offer, he would've taken it.

 

4. It is not in BB's best interest to send his franchise tagged QB to another team who currently has his OC. There was no chance that Cassel was coming to Denver.

 

 

1. Who was fined by the NFL, Pioli or Belicheat during spygate.

 

2. Id say losing a 1st round pick, and the embarassment he took for spygate, his owner jerked his chain and said anything else, and your ass is gone.

 

3. Yes he has, which validates my point. IF a 1st was on the table for Cassell, he would have taken it. It was, and he didnt.

 

4. Its in the Pats best interest to take the best offer. Cassell isnt an upgrade over Cutler to begin with. You really think Bill is scared of his old OC and Cassell playing on the same team.

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