satelliteoflovegm Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) In a on going effort to provide real Bills homer news, from a knowledgeable Bills fan, not the posers around here . Hardy is progressing ahead of schedule. Now what that means in term of playing time with TO remains to be seen. Josh Reed will thrive in the slot but in time I can see instances of Evans sliding in and Hardy and Owens manning the outside. Especially in the redzone. At the very least he will be able to practice with Owens early on and gleam any info on how to use a big body to play NFL WR, something clearly lacking in Hardy's skill set in '08. Hardy Edited March 26, 2009 by satelliteoflovegm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 In a on going effort to provide real Bills homer news, from a knowledgeable Bills fan, not the posers around here . Hardy is progressing ahead of schedule. Now what that means in term of playing time with TO remains to be seen. Josh Reed will thrive in the slot but in time I can see instances of Evans sliding in and Hardy and Owens manning the outside. Especially in the redzone. At the very least he will be able to practice with Owens early on and gleam any info on how to use a big body to play NFL WR, something clearly lacking in Hardy's skill set in '08. Hardy Bringing in TO was the best thing for Hardy owners. I really hope he studies TO's preparation/conditioning regimens. Having him on the sideline pretty much all year and watching TO will do wonders for his progress. Of course, lets pray he doesn't emulate his off field antics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bringing in TO was the best thing for Hardy owners. I really hope he studies TO's preparation/conditioning regimens. Having him on the sideline pretty much all year and watching TO will do wonders for his progress. Of course, lets pray he doesn't emulate his off field antics. On the sideline and in the lockerroom is where TO does his damage. The guy is almost an angel (relatively speaking) off the field. I don't see how Owens positively affects Hardy in any meaningful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 On the sideline and in the lockerroom is where TO does his damage. The guy is almost an angel (relatively speaking) off the field. I don't see how Owens positively affects Hardy in any meaningful way. Come on, BB. aren't you being a bit hard on Taz? Maybe Hardy's one of those guys who learns what not to do and becomes a better player because of it. Like don't act like a jackass off the field, don't yell at your coaches, don't drop passes just because your running a crossing pattern or they're tough to catch when running a fly pattern and don't be a locker room cancer. I feel he can learn an awful lot about what not to be and therefore come away from his exposure to TO a more well-balanced WR. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__HAUSE__ Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 On the sideline and in the lockerroom is where TO does his damage. The guy is almost an angel (relatively speaking) off the field. I don't see how Owens positively affects Hardy in any meaningful way. Now...now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You guys are nuts if you say TO will not HELP a young WR develop...absolutely nuts. Yes he is a diva but he's not satan and he is a VERY good football player. Not every teamate hated TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You guys are nuts if you say TO will not HELP a young WR develop...absolutely nuts.Yes he is a diva but he's not satan and he is a VERY good football player. Not every teamate hated TO. Really? He's played for three teams, and despite his (formerly) phenominal talent, all three teams sent him packing because of his detrimental conduct. Jerrah is publicly stating that Owens' behavior has actively repressed Romo's development. But I'll tell you what, Owens has played with three teams now and lots of young WRs on those three teams. Why don't you provide some evidence as to how Owens helped even one of those WRs develop in any meaningful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Really? He's played for three teams, and despite his (formerly) phenominal talent, all three teams sent him packing because of his detrimental conduct. Jerrah is publicly stating that Owens' behavior has actively repressed Romo's development. But I'll tell you what, Owens has played with three teams now and lots of young WRs on those three teams. Why don't you provide some evidence as to how Owens helped even one of those WRs develop in any meaningful way. Roy Williams enjoyed his brief time working with TO (from what I remember). TO is a work out fiend and practices a hell of alot, you don't think that alone is a positive sign for a young person in the NFL to see. I don't believe a thing "Jerrah" says and I (personal opinion) don't believe Romo is a great QB to begin with. This is the season to prove me wrong. TO was not around spectacular talent to begin with. I can't remember the clear #2 guy in Philly or Dallas so that tells me they suck to begin with regardless if TO was there or not. ETA: Hardy has alot of hype and could be good so we shall see. Philly or Dallas did not have such a guy (at least I can't remember). Edited March 27, 2009 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 TO is a work out fiend and practices a hell of alot, you don't think that alone is a positive sign for a young person in the NFL to see. No question - but he chooses to work out on his own and away from the team. He is also a whiner on the sidelines, and "me-first" player who actively and demonstratively antagonizes his QB and coaches during games when he doesn't think he's getting the ball thrown his way enough to salve his ego regardless of what the team is doing in the game or even whether he's open. He divides locker rooms to help create political alliances to satisfy his own ego. That's what you want your young players learning? TO was not around spectacular talent to begin with. I can't remember the clear #2 guy in Philly or Dallas so that tells me they suck to begin with regardless if TO was there or not. So your position is that TO makes young players better, but only if they are studs to begin with? That makes sense. He should be teaching younger players who are limited to perform much better if what you claim is correct - but even you admit that they still suck after he leaves. ETA: Hardy has alot of hype and could be good so we shall see. Philly or Dallas did not have such a guy (at least I can't remember). And now you're already making excuses for Owens if Hardy doesn't turn out to be worthy of his draft position (which remains to be seen since rookie WRS rarely make an impact and Hardy was hurt to boot). So in your mind if Hardy doesn't do well it's because he sucks and Owens couldn't help him, but if he improves dramatically in his second year (which coincides in the year or thereafter where most young WRs see their great gains in playing ability) then it must be due to Owens. Nice convoluted strawman argument there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) No question - but he chooses to work out on his own and away from the team. He is also a whiner on the sidelines, and "me-first" player who actively and demonstratively antagonizes his QB and coaches during games when he doesn't think he's getting the ball thrown his way enough to salve his ego regardless of what the team is doing in the game or even whether he's open. He divides locker rooms to help create political alliances to satisfy his own ego. That's what you want your young players learning? So your position is that TO makes young players better, but only if they are studs to begin with? That makes sense. He should be teaching younger players who are limited to perform much better if what you claim is correct - but even you admit that they still suck after he leaves. And now you're already making excuses for Owens if Hardy doesn't turn out to be worthy of his draft position (which remains to be seen since rookie WRS rarely make an impact and Hardy was hurt to boot). So in your mind if Hardy doesn't do well it's because he sucks and Owens couldn't help him, but if he improves dramatically in his second year (which coincides in the year or thereafter where most young WRs see their great gains in playing ability) then it must be due to Owens. Nice convoluted strawman argument there.... No BB you're always right and your opinion always makes sense. Sorry to post. You say TO is bad then he is. Carry on. ETA: I didnt say he will make someone better I said he can't be such a negative factor in their development. Edited March 27, 2009 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No BB you're always right and your opinion always makes sense. Sorry to post. Geez, sorry to bruise your delicate little ego by disagreeing with you. You made a bold statement that can't be supported by any evidence that I've seen and apparently you can't provide, and then you don't want to engage when someone has the temerity to question you. You say TO is bad then he is. I've consistently said that in playing ability over his career, Owens is probably one of the top 5 WRs ever to play the game (even though I also have stated that I think his ability is eroding with age). It's what he does to teams as a team that sucks, not what he he accomplished as a WR accumulating stats on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 ETA: I didnt say he will make someone better I said he can't be such a negative factor in their development. You guys are nuts if you say TO will not HELP a young WR develop...absolutely nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Geez, sorry to bruise your delicate little ego by disagreeing with you. You made a bold statement that can't be supported by any evidence that I've seen and apparently you can't provide, and then you don't want to engage when someone has the temerity to question you. I've consistently said that in playing ability over his career, Owens is probably one of the top 5 WRs ever to play the game (even though I also have stated that I think his ability is eroding with age). It's what he does to teams as a team that sucks, not what he he accomplished as a WR accumulating stats on the field. I dont have ego. But you putting words and assumptions into my statement. I just said TO never had talent for us to judge wether he impacted a WRs life or not. The remaining WRs on the teams he destroyed (which is different from developing talent) are scrubs. You cant turn a turd into a WR no matter who you put next to them. Hardy actually has hype and potential I can't see TO being a negative impact on him. If he is going to suck its because he sucks. If he wants to learn all he has to do is LOOK at TO nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I don't get why you have the busted logo here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I dont have ego. But you putting words and assumptions into my statement. Geez, it's a FF board and the offseason. I'm hoping to engage in a bit of a good argument. If you believe in TO and how he affects young WRs positively, make your case. I don't see it, but can be persuaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I don't get why you have the busted logo here? I know you don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Geez, it's a FF board and the offseason. I'm hoping to engage in a bit of a good argument. If you believe in TO and how he affects young WRs positively, make your case. I don't see it, but can be persuaded. My case: he has tremendous talent, with solid football fundamentals. Just by looking at this diva you will learn something about football. Hence he will develop someone who wants to learn by that alone. Will he destroy the Bills organization? Maybe. But thats a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I know you don't... so help me out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 Owens doesn't even have to speak to Hardy. Imagine if you will: Lee Evans: James watch TO dip his shoulder and work his right hand on the DB...then boom he pivots in and lowers his hips. Hardy: Why pivot "in" and I want my 81 back. Evans: Can't have it til '10...because he gains leverage on the DB regardless of his feet blah blah blah Will TO volunuteer ideas? I don't know. Maybe. Will ask Hardy ask specifiic questions? It seems so. I would hope and I believe Owens will teach the kid if asked. Bottom line, if we all thiink Hardy will start yelling at Edwards because he saw TO argue with QB's is ludicrous. But if he sees Owens in the locker/weight room 4 days a week and Hardy was going 3 days a week I bet he changes. I really doubt a young guy would start emulating negative tendencies if they weren't already in his make-up. Let's not forget Lee Evans and Josh Reed are class acts on and off the field and can teach and point out plenty of things to Hardy that he should follow and in cases shouldn't. Evans could easily say, "don't do it that way kid, TO can because he has the talent, but it isn't sound fundamentaly." Learning comes from positives and negatives, I am sure Owens will provide both at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) so help me out You seriously can't see the direct contridiction between the first statement of yours that I quoted and the second quote of yours in post #12? Edited March 27, 2009 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Owens doesn't even have to speak to Hardy. Imagine if you will: Lee Evans: James watch TO dip his shoulder and work his right hand on the DB...then boom he pivots in and lowers his hips. Hardy: Why pivot "in" and I want my 81 back. Evans: Can't have it til '10...because he gains leverage on the DB regardless of his feet blah blah blah Will TO volunuteer ideas? I don't know. Maybe. Will ask Hardy ask specifiic questions? It seems so. I would hope and I believe Owens will teach the kid if asked. Bottom line, if we all thiink Hardy will start yelling at Edwards because he saw TO argue with QB's is ludicrous. But if he sees Owens in the locker/weight room 4 days a week and Hardy was going 3 days a week I bet he changes. I really doubt a young guy would start emulating negative tendencies if they weren't already in his make-up. Let's not forget Lee Evans and Josh Reed are class acts on and off the field and can teach and point out plenty of things to Hardy that he should follow and in cases shouldn't. Evans could easily say, "don't do it that way kid, TO can because he has the talent, but it isn't sound fundamentaly." Learning comes from positives and negatives, I am sure Owens will provide both at times. I totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) You seriously can't see the direct contridiction between the first statement of yours that I quoted and the second quote of yours in post #12? ETA: I didnt say he will make someone better I said he can't be such a negative factor in their development. You guys are nuts if you say TO will not HELP a young WR develop...absolutely nuts. No. Statement #1 - He cant be a negative factor in their development Statement #2 - I claim you are nuts if TO will not help develop a WR I dont get it? Did you misread? Edited March 27, 2009 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Will ask Hardy ask specifiic questions? It seems so. I would hope and I believe Owens will teach the kid if asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 Really? He'll ignore him? Maybe even fight him uhhh? I don't think you're being reasonable or logical. I think you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Really? He'll ignore him? Maybe even fight him uhhh? I don't think you're being reasonable or logical. I think you're wrong. Edit: Nevermind deleted post Edited March 27, 2009 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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