Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Yes - this guy has off the field issues and yes he will more than likely find even more issues when he gets some money in his pocket. That being said, I say BS to anyone who thinks he is falling into the second round. I have been looking at these mocks and a lot of people think he is falling. I Guarantee! Mark it Down! I Guarantee he will be off the board by 20. I wouldn’t pick him on my team that early, but we have a lot of people in this business who think they can fix players who have great talent. And Percy is probably the most talented WR in this draft. If he was a Saint off the field then we might be talking about him going in the top 5. I am not buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BadassRat Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 So let me get this straight, you are thinking he is the next Peyton Manning as opposed to to next Matt Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 So let me get this straight, you are thinking he is the next Peyton Manning as opposed to to next Matt Jones No. I am not sure where I gave you that impression either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BadassRat Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 No. I am not sure where I gave you that impression either. My reference was that Peyton Manning has conducted himself impeccably throughout his career, while Jones tanked. I will always opt for a player NOT in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 My reference was that Peyton Manning has conducted himself impeccably throughout his career, while Jones tanked. I will always opt for a player NOT in the news. Me too. But someone will take him by 20. My point is that he will not fall into round 2 like many people are saying. It's just not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BadassRat Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I would rather have Kenny Britt or Ramses Barden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm not buying a Gator WR is worth drafting. Same goes for FSU defensive ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I can see him falling into the second. Wasn't it just last year where there weren't any WR's taken in the first round? It is very en vogue to pass on the WR in the 1st round and take one in the 2nd instead. While at least two will go in the first round this year, I would put the over/under at about four. He probably goes in the first round, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I can see him falling into the second. Wasn't it just last year where there weren't any WR's taken in the first round? Correct, Avery was the first WR taken and drafted at 2.2 (#33) by the Rams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 I can see him falling into the second. Wasn't it just last year where there weren't any WR's taken in the first round? It is very en vogue to pass on the WR in the 1st round and take one in the 2nd instead. While at least two will go in the first round this year, I would put the over/under at about four. He probably goes in the first round, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't. I can see 6 WR's going in the first round this year. This draft is loaded with WR's. Last year it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 It's one thing to admit to smoking pot during college. Ok no problem. Most everybody does it. But to fail a drug test at the combine? Huge red flags. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him fall out of the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 There are certain teams that wouldn't take him just because they have made public stands about character issues, and it would be a big PR hit for them to take this guy in the 1st round. There are other teams that obviously don't give a rats ass about character issues... but you have to wonder where those teams fall in the draft order, and then factor in what those particular teams' greatest needs are as well. It's not at all out of the realm of possibility for Harvin to drop significantly on day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Failing a drug test at the combine means one of two things #1-you have a problem and can't stay off for a week #2-You're stupid If you draft such a player in the first round it means one of two things #1-Character doesn't matter to you. #2-You're not very smart or are a huge risk taker. Edited April 18, 2009 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I can see 6 WR's going in the first round this year. This draft is loaded with WR's. Last year it wasn't. This is exactly why he could slide. Since there are so many good receivers, teams know that they can get a decent WR in round 2. Exactly like last year. The difference is that Maclin and Crabtree are standouts. There weren't standouts last year, but there was tons of 2nd tier depth, just like this year. I can see Maclin and Crabtree going early, and then all the teams will sit and wait until the second round, knowing they can still get one of the top 6 or 7 WR's. There is no rush to take one unless he REALLY stands out. I don't know that Harvin is that much higher on draft boards than the #6 or 7 WR would be. BTW, there is NO WAY that six go in the first round. The position is too deep, and without enough studs. Why take the #4 WR at 25, when you can get the #8 at the end of the second round? Unless you see a big difference. I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BadassRat Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 This is exactly why he could slide. Since there are so many good receivers, teams know that they can get a decent WR in round 2. Exactly like last year. The difference is that Maclin and Crabtree are standouts. There weren't standouts last year, but there was tons of 2nd tier depth, just like this year. I can see Maclin and Crabtree going early, and then all the teams will sit and wait until the second round, knowing they can still get one of the top 6 or 7 WR's. There is no rush to take one unless he REALLY stands out. I don't know that Harvin is that much higher on draft boards than the #6 or 7 WR would be. BTW, there is NO WAY that six go in the first round. The position is too deep, and without enough studs. Why take the #4 WR at 25, when you can get the #8 at the end of the second round? Unless you see a big difference. I don't. There are even quality WR's left in round 3. The Giants may reach in round 1, but I think they can get Britt in round 2, or maybe Ramses in round 3. With the addition of Peters, the Eagles may reach at 21 overall, and Maclin may still be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Let me ask everyone a question and it will solve all of this. In 1998, if Dan Syder was the owner of the Redskins, would he have taken TE Stephen Alexander or Randy Moss? What would he do today? By 13, the top 4 OT's will likely be gone, he will have lost out on his QB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Didn't the Redskins take two second round WR's last year? You really see them taking another in the first this year? Again, the problem isn't Harvin, the problem is that the WR position is just too darn deep. You have to REALLY stand out to go in the first round if you are a WR. I don't know that he has distanced himself enough from the rest of the pack. Edited April 18, 2009 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hammock Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Didn't the Redskins take two second round WR's last year? You really see them taking another in the first this year? Again, the problem isn't Harvin, the problem is that the WR position is just too darn deep. You have to REALLY stand out to go in the first round if you are a WR. I don't know that he has distanced himself enough from the rest of the pack. Nice job! You guys are certainly making me think harder about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) 1st round picks above pick 14. Some bad choices here but WR's often don't do much immediately. I would want an impact player at 13. This year is also loaded with receiving H back/tight ends. I could 7 but Mayock says 10 may go in the top 3 rounds. He likes Harvins teammate Ingram. 2007 - WR 1 2 Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech Detroit Lions 1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State Miami Dolphins 2005 - WR 1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns 1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings 1 10 Mike Williams WR USC Detroit Lions 2004 - WR 1 7 Roy Williams WR Texas Detroit Lions 1 9 Reggie Williams WR Washington Jacksonville Jaguars 1 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin Buffalo Bills 2003 - WR 1 2 Charles Rogers WR Michigan State Detroit Lions 1 3 Andre Johnson WR Miami (Fla.) Houston Texans 1 17 Bryant Johnson WR Penn State Arizona Cardinals(exception) 2002 - WR 1 13 Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee New Orleans Saints 2001 - WR 1 8 David Terrell WR Michigan Chicago Bears 1 9 Koren Robinson WR North Carolina State Seattle Seahawks Edited April 18, 2009 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Looking over some data, it is pretty normal for 6 WR's to be drafted in the 1st round actually. I guess I just don't see it this year. Like I said before, I personally think he'll go in the first, but I can see scenario's where he doesn't. Not because of his play, solely because of the depth at the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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