Duchess Jack Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 alright.. I voted Ronnie - not because I am a Miami homer, but because I believe he has the best skillset of all the backs and has the best future of all the listed backs. He's been in bad systems and had a couple bad breaks injury wise, but the skies the limit for this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I voted Gore based on the body of work up to now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policyvote Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I went with the Barbarian, based on who I'd rather have for one game. If you give him the rock, he always gets his. Peace policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SIX KINGS Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jacobs He has won a Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jacobs He has won a Super Bowl Dilfer won a SB. Does that make him better than Donovan McNabb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jacobs He has won a Super Bowl He won a superbowl ? all by himself too huh ? Jacobs was a very small part of the superbowl victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Gore, based on body of work, and the fact that he is the only offense his team has had since he entered the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Tough choice between those top 3 so I went with the numbers and chose Barber. He's got the better numbers of all of them, but they are all pretty closely lumped really. They have all 3 had injury issues so I don't want to hear that argument either. I don't feel like typing out the numbers, but Barber is crushing them in TD's, they are all equal in the recieving game which surprised me and yards from scrimmage is about equal as well. All that said if I were to pick one of the three I'd have a hard time deciding between Barber and Brown...and I might change my mind every week based on the opponent. Both are really equal other than Barber just flat out gets the rock into the EZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jacobs. Gore can put up all the yardage numbers he wants, Ronnie is inconsistant, and while I like MB3, I'm no longer sure who the best back on the cowboys offense is... Jacobs is the main man in NY, plays behind the best line of the teams listed, and is a touchdown machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jacobs. Gore can put up all the yardage numbers he wants, Ronnie is inconsistant, and while I like MB3, I'm no longer sure who the best back on the cowboys offense is... Jacobs is the main man in NY, plays behind the best line of the teams listed, and is a touchdown machine. Well I didn't even look up Jacobs numbers cause I was pretty sure they wouldn't hold a candle to the other 3 I mentioned. Yup...he's not even close to the other 3 except he's like 6 TD's behind MBIII. I still stick with what I said. You at least got me to go look though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 easily gore IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I went with Gore. He's led his team in rushing every year he's been in the league (even when he wasn't the starter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Cadillac may very well be the most talented of the bunch. But no votes at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider321 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) G----Rush----Yds------Y/G----Avg-----TD-----Rec------Yds------Y/G-----Avg-----Lng-----YAC---TD 51----781-----3433-----67.3----4.4------23-----137------1151-----22.6-----8.4-------43------8.0-----2---- Ronnie Brown 59----939-----4441-----75.3----4.7------22-----172------1425-----24.2-----8.3-------47------7.9-----4---- Frank Gore 60----715-----3052-----50.9----4.3------36-----137------1010-----16.8-----7.4-------70------7.1-----6---- Marion Barner 55----555-----2620-----47.6----4.7------35------40--------359-------6.5------9.0------43------9.7-----2---- Brandon Jacobs 38----632-----2417-----63.6----3.8------14------60--------337-------8.9------5.6------25------6.1-----0---- Cadillac Williams I'll take Barber and his 42 TD's over Gore and his 26 TD's. Also, keep in mind that Barber and Jacobs have only been the starters for 2 years. Gore has more starts , and thus, yards on a pitiful team, but Barber and Jacobs are better talents. Edited May 30, 2009 by spider321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 G----Rush----Yds------Y/G----Avg-----TD-----Rec------Yds------Y/G-----Avg-----Lng-----YAC---TD 51----781-----3433-----67.3----4.4------23-----137------1151-----22.6-----8.4-------43------8.0-----2---- Ronnie Brown 59----939-----4441-----75.3----4.7------22-----172------1425-----24.2-----8.3-------47------7.9-----4---- Frank Gore 60----715-----3052-----50.9----4.3------36-----137------1010-----16.8-----7.4-------70------7.1-----6---- Marion Barner 55----555-----2620-----47.6----4.7------35------40--------359-------6.5------9.0------43------9.7-----2---- Brandon Jacobs 38----632-----2417-----63.6----3.8------14------60--------337-------8.9------5.6------25------6.1-----0---- Cadillac Williams I'll take Barber and his 42 TD's over Gore and his 26 TD's. Also, keep in mind that Barber and Jacobs have only been the starters for 2 years. Gore has more starts , and thus, yards on a pitiful team, but Barber and Jacobs are better talents. Hammer, meet nail. Gore is a close second, but the answer has to be Barber. Jacobs is a blob that runs too upright, who's lucky to be behind a solid OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider321 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Jacobs does run too upright, but a blob? Have you seen the guy? He's built like a truck. LenDale is a blob, Jacobs is a beast. 1) M. Barber - Puts the ball in the EZ, is impossible for 1 guy to tackle & catches the ball out of the backfield. 2) B. Jacobs - Puts the ball in the EZ, is impossible for 1 guy to tackle, but doesn't catch the ball. 3) F. Gore - Gets yards & catches ball out of the backfield, but is a 4 year starter that has never even had 10 TD's. 4) R. Brown - Good player that has never lived up to expectations. 5) C. Williams - Who the **** voted for this guy?!? Edited May 30, 2009 by spider321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Gore has just been consistently good, and on an absolutely horrible offense. I think he would have better numbers than both Barber and Jacobs if he was given their situations. I thought Barber would be better than he really is. Brown still could easily end up being the best as well. Heck, if he would have stayed healthy two years ago, we would most likely be talking about Brown as being one of the best backs in the league right now. The thing that stands out to me is that Brown, Cadillac and Benson were taken as high as they were, relative to the other talent from the class. It is exactly this kind of draft that makes me kind of hope the Seahawks don't take a RB in the top 10 next year, but rather opt for the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Jacobs does run too upright, but a blob? Have you seen the guy? He's built like a truck. LenDale is a blob, Jacobs is a beast. 1) M. Barber - Puts the ball in the EZ, is impossible for 1 guy to tackle & catches the ball out of the backfield. 2) B. Jacobs - Puts the ball in the EZ, is impossible for 1 guy to tackle, but doesn't catch the ball. 3) F. Gore - Gets yards & catches ball out of the backfield, but is a 3 year starter that has never even had 10 TD's. 4) R. Brown - Good player that has never lived up to expectations. 5) C. Williams - Who the **** voted for this guy?!? Corrected Gore's starting years. He didn't start as a rookie, but did lead his team in yardage. Gore has averaged over 4 yards a carry for all 4 years he's been in the league. Brown has averaged over 4 yards a carry for all 4 years he's been in the league. Jacobs has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 3 of 4 years he's been in the league. Barber has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 2 of 4 years he's been in the league. Williams has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 1 of 4 years he's been in the league. Averaging 4 yards a carry is usually the benchmark for a starting RB in the NFL. And it takes a couple guys to take Gore down, but he doesn't look to lay the hit on the defender like Barber or Jacobs. Edited May 30, 2009 by Riffraff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Who was the best back selected in the 05 draft? Ronnie Brown - IMHO, Brown is the most talented of the bunch. He's built like a power back, but has the agility and speed of a smaller back. I guess I'd liken him a bit to Shaun Alexander, except more physical. Truly a rare talent. I still think his best season is still in front of him. Frank Gore - It's hard to argue with his numbers. I think Gore is the 2nd most talented of the bunch. He's got a rare combination of speed and power. He's got the best work ethic of this bunch as well. MBIII - It's hard to argue with the numbers here too. Obviously MBIII's shelf life isn't as long as the other two because of his bruising style, but man is he fun to watch run. Jacobs - He's the must fun to watch of the bunch. He's like a throw back to guys like Csonka, or at least what I would think watching Csonka was like. No one wants to tackle this guy when he's in the open field Caddy - I thought he was a bit overrated coming out. I sure looked wrong after the first 5 games of his career, but the guy hasn't been healthy sense. He wasn't a true burner to begin with and I think his knee and leg injuries have zapped his speed. Now which one do I think is the best? That's a tough question. First, Jacobs and Barber were the last backs taken, so naturally they are on the better teams. Could Barber or Jacobs succeed in SF and Miami? Although I like their bruising style, I've always had a thing for the power backs ever since my boy Ickey Woods, I'm going to eliminate them from consideration. I don't think either would have the success that Gore and Brown have had on their respective teams. Gore or Brown, Gore or Brown? I've always been partial to my boy Ronnie Brown. I drafted him his rookie year in my dynasty and have had him up until last year (traded him for Phillip Rivers (We start 2 QB's and 2 RB's)). I think he's got the highest ceiling of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider321 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Corrected Gore's starting years. He didn't start as a rookie, but did lead his team in yardage. Gore has averaged over 4 yards a carry for all 4 years he's been in the league. Brown has averaged over 4 yards a carry for all 4 years he's been in the league. Jacobs has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 3 of 4 years he's been in the league. Barber has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 2 of 4 years he's been in the league. Williams has averaged over 4 yards a carry for 1 of 4 years he's been in the league. Averaging 4 yards a carry is usually the benchmark for a starting RB in the NFL. And it takes a couple guys to take Gore down, but he doesn't look to lay the hit on the defender like Barber or Jacobs. Gore started the last 4 games and had 127 carries in the 2005 season.(Barlow led the team with 176 carries) Technically, Barber has only been the starter in Dallas for 1 year. Barber and Jacobs were used almost exclusively as goal line backs for 2 seasons. I think it's hard to average over 4 yards a carry on 3rd and goal from the 3 yard line, don't you? Gore has been a good back, he's just a little overrated. btw- I really don't see what some of you see in Ronnie Brown. Not too many RB's start having their best seasons in year 5. Sorry guys, but this is a 3 horse race that doesn't include Ronnie or Cadillac. Edited May 30, 2009 by spider321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) btw- I really don't see what some of you see in Ronnie Brown. Not too many RB's start having their best seasons in year 5. Sorry guys, but this is a 3 horse race that doesn't include Ronnie or Cadillac. RBrown was one of the top 5 players on both sides of the ball before his injury in 07. 07 was also his first year he was totally featured. He was also the only playmaker that team had. All teams were game planning to stop him and they still couldn't. Bill Belichik was quoted as saying that Ronnie Brown was the best offensive player he'd seen on film that year, in the post game news conference.of the game Brown tore his knee up (He already had over 100 total yds before halftime) Personally, I think he's the best value I've seen thus far in Mock drafts. One other thing, I feel that if Ronnie Brown were on the Cowboys or Giants he would be the unquestioned #1 RB in Fantasy football. I guess you know how I feel about the guy. I like him almost as much as MJD Edited May 30, 2009 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Well I didn't even look up Jacobs numbers cause I was pretty sure they wouldn't hold a candle to the other 3 I mentioned. Yup...he's not even close to the other 3 except he's like 6 TD's behind MBIII. I still stick with what I said. You at least got me to go look though Jacobs outplayed MB3 last year. MB3 may not even be the best runningback on his team. We'll bring this up in another year or so. 1) M. Barber - Puts the ball in the EZ, is impossible for 1 guy to tackle & catches the ball out of the backfield. We can probably put an end to this as Choice and Felix Jones are going to cut in and at the very least take away third down duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider321 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) RBrown was one of the top 5 players on both sides of the ball before his injury in 07. 07 was also his first year he was totally featured. He was also the only playmaker that team had. All teams were game planning to stop him and they still couldn't. Bill Belichik was quoted as saying that Ronnie Brown was the best offensive player he'd seen on film that year, in the post game news conference.of the game Brown tore his knee up (He already had over 100 total yds before halftime) Personally, I think he's the best value I've seen thus far in Mock drafts. One other thing, I feel that if Ronnie Brown were on the Cowboys or Giants he would be the unquestioned #1 RB in Fantasy football. I guess you know how I feel about the guy. I like him almost as much as MJD Ronnie Brown... ACL surgery. Only 5 total TD's in each of his first 3 seasons. 1,000 yards once. 10 TD's in a gimmick offense last season. Teams will prepare for that gimmick this year. You seem to have long-term memory loss. Edited May 30, 2009 by spider321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'll take Barber and his 42 TD's over Gore and his 26 TD's. all that indicates is that barber is on a team with a lot more scoring opportunities. gore has way more yards, a higher YPC even on the much crappier offense, more receptions, everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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