oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Williams and Stewart put up history making numbers 08. I believe they were the 8th best tandem in the history of the NFL. I wonder how much of that was based on a schedule filled with horrible run defenses? Lets look at their schedule. Division foes NO #17 run defense TB #19 ATL #25 This is actually good news for Williams because he gets to play them twice a year. Here are the teams they played outside the division. GB #26 run defense Den #27 OAK #31 DET #32 KC #30 ARZ #16 This represents 75% of their schedule Williams had 1266 yards and 14 TDs against these defenses. Now it wouldn't be fair to not list the four teams they faced that could actually stop the run. MIN #1 run defense CHI #5 SD #11 NYG #8 Williams had 252 yards and 4TD (108 and 4TD on the Giants alone.) Im just wondering is Williams really a stud? And for those who are going to say yes do you really think he is going to repeat his 08 numbers? I think he is a very talented player, but can you label him a stud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Stud? Yes. That was why they drafted him in the 1st place. It took him a bit to get up to speed in the NFL, but he should have another great year. Will he repeat the numbers from last year? I highly doubt it. If he DID, he would be the #1 RB selected in ALL drafts this year (he was the top RB in most leagues last year). He is a safe 1st round selection IMO. If he falls to anyone in the 2nd, they will be extremely lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I think them drafting Mike Goodson is a little odd and makes me wonder if something is up with JStew. I know they've been trying Goodson as a WR, but still... The Panthers have a history of their RBs going down so I believe he's just there for a bench spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well obviously he's a stud. The fact that in 3 seasons he's had about 20 meaningful games makes it so. Not to mention, he was actually drafted which therefore automatically makes him a STUD!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well obviously he's a stud. The fact that in 3 seasons he's had about 20 meaningful games makes it so. Not to mention, he was actually drafted which therefore automatically makes him a STUD!! This is really important to you, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 This is really important to you, isn't it? Sorry DMD. I've been a long time supporter of the site. I have been enjoying the content and message board since the free days and as soon as you made it a pay site, I ponied up and have been ever since. It's your prerogative what is allowed on the boards, but the statement that DW is a stud because he was drafted is just plain stupid. I may be nitpicking because that particular member has chosen to lock horns with me, but we are all flawed. With all due respect, I feel my posts and threads are generally constructive and although I frequently post news links, they are usually pertinent and make the main board at the huddle a place where not only is there tremendous fantasy acumen but also breaking news. As always, my deepest appreciation for your hard work and quality product DMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I feel my posts and threads are generally constructive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 I still dont see how you can claim Williams as a stud. Can you say a guy with potential? Sure. Is he being drafted in top three in fantasy redraft leagues this season? If he is then he better be putting up numbers close to 08. Top three picks are supposed to be studs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Dude, you made your point a long time ago... yes, being a 1st round draft pick does not automatically make you a stud. Perhaps Peepin meant that since he was a 1st round pick, it shouldn't be a shock if he is a stud. either way, let it the fook go. Thats exactly what I meant. Only a fool would think anyone drafted in the 1st round is automatically a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I'm actually not convinced just yet. Last year was really the first year that he's done anything and it was really the 2nd half of the season that saw him explode. I would draft him as my 2nd RB, but I think there is some risk with him as your #1 back. I may totally wiff on him this year, but I'm not convinced mostly that the HC is going to give him the ball enough to let him really shine. They seem to be really stubborn as to how they handle their RB's and it has cost them. It's probably going to be another 50/50 or 60/40 split and he's going to be hard pressed to repeat those numbers. Just my opinion, but I'll wait another year before claiming he's a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I still dont see how you can claim Williams as a stud. Can you say a guy with potential? Sure. Is he being drafted in top three in fantasy redraft leagues this season? If he is then he better be putting up numbers close to 08. Top three picks are supposed to be studs. That statement is completely untrue. Fitz? CJ? There are PLENTY of guys that wont be drafted top 3 that will be studs. You originally asked if anyone thought he was a stud. I answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 In 2008, DWill had 120 carries for a 4.4 yds/carry average during the first eight games. That's pretty darn good. I think the solid first half gets overlooked cuz of his insane 2nd half of 2008. In 2007, he has a 5yd/carry average, he just didn't get enough touches to prove he's that good. I find it fascinating that he's had two good years and yet, people don't believe he's good. Whereas Michael Turner was all the rage last year and proved nothing. Yet, Derrick Ward is the rage this year, yet proved nothing. Not to mention the rookies every year that are the rage and have proved nothing. Odd. A big +1 to everything you just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 In 2008, DWill had 120 carries for a 4.4 yds/carry average during the first eight games. That's pretty darn good. That breaks down to 65 ypg rushing and add on .375 tds per game. Impressive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 That statement is completely untrue. Fitz? CJ? There are PLENTY of guys that wont be drafted top 3 that will be studs. You originally asked if anyone thought he was a stud. I answered. I never said a stud couldn't be drafted outside the top three picks. LT for years was a stud, he went in the top three every time. Marshal Faulk was a stud for years, he went in the top three. AP is a stud he will go in the top three every time. These guys were and are studs because they have put up big numbers for more than one season and they have little risk. So if you say Williams is a stud then would you take him in the top three? Im not saying he coluldn't become a stud, but fantasy owners are going to look at last years stats and draft him in the top three, top five or whatever. They will expect stud type numbers. They might get it, but I think there is a lot of risk. Stewart being there, the fact that they played a horrible schedule last season are risks to factor. A true stud has zero to minimal risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Whereas Michael Turner was all the rage last year and proved nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Williams YPC average 06 - 4.1 07 - 5.0 08 - 5.5 Although inflated due to the weak run defences he faced most of the season. IMO Still you look at the averages and you can say there is a lot of potential there to be a stud. I just need to see one more season before I give him stud status and top three pick worthiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 In 2007, he has a 5yd/carry average, he just didn't get enough touches to prove he's that good. I find it fascinating that he's had two good years and yet, people don't believe he's good. Whereas Michael Turner was all the rage last year and proved nothing. Yet, Derrick Ward is the rage this year, yet proved nothing. Not to mention the rookies every year that are the rage and have proved nothing. Odd. In 2007 he averaged 44 ypg rushing and .25 tds per game. And as to your point about rookie backs and or Ward, rarely does a rookie RB end up selected top 5 in a FF redraft league. As for Ward his ADP will likely end up inthe 50's or 60's. And just to make D. Williams a less desirable first rounder, remeber that in order to secure J.Stewart you'll probably have to burn a 5th or 6th rounder. 2 picks in the first 6 rounds to secure 1 position is a risky proposition IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I never said a stud couldn't be drafted outside the top three picks. LT for years was a stud, he went in the top three every time. Marshal Faulk was a stud for years, he went in the top three. AP is a stud he will go in the top three every time. These guys were and are studs because they have put up big numbers for more than one season and they have little risk. So if you say Williams is a stud then would you take him in the top three? Im not saying he coluldn't become a stud, but fantasy owners are going to look at last years stats and draft him in the top three, top five or whatever. They will expect stud type numbers. They might get it, but I think there is a lot of risk. Stewart being there, the fact that they played a horrible schedule last season are risks to factor. A true stud has zero to minimal risk. If I had the 1st pick, it would be AP. 2nd would be MJD (in PPR), and 3rd would be one of a few guys. Like I originally said, if I had picks 1.6 - 1.12, I would take him anywhere in there. Is there risk involved? Sure. But isnt there risk with everyone? LT - Franchised Sproles, so who knows what his role is. SJax - Injuries the past 2 years. Forte - Lightened workload possibly. The best thing about DW is that while he has risk involved, he had that same risk last year, and had some numbers that many wont sniff as the lone back. I see NO reason why he cant put up great numbers again. Will he REPEAT? No. I dont think he will. But he would still be my RB1 any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 If I had the 1st pick, it would be AP. 2nd would be MJD (in PPR), and 3rd would be one of a few guys. Like I originally said, if I had picks 1.6 - 1.12, I would take him anywhere in there. Is there risk involved? Sure. But isnt there risk with everyone? LT - Franchised Sproles, so who knows what his role is. SJax - Injuries the past 2 years. Forte - Lightened workload possibly. The best thing about DW is that while he has risk involved, he had that same risk last year, and had some numbers that many wont sniff as the lone back. I see NO reason why he cant put up great numbers again. Will he REPEAT? No. I dont think he will. But he would still be my RB1 any day. And he was drafted so he must be a STUD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 And he was drafted so he must be a STUD. Dude... seriously... Get a life. I never said "because he was drafted, he is a stud". As of this post, I will not respond to any garbage you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Stud? Yes. That was why they drafted him in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Taking him in the bottom half of the first round is a sound decision. I just dont think he will be avaliable in the bottom half, with all the imploded stats from last season. If I had a top 6 pick I would go in another direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Taking him in the bottom half of the first round is a sound decision. I just dont think he will be avaliable in the bottom half, with all the imploded stats from last season. If I had a top 6 pick I would go in another direction. In a startup dynasty, I actually took him at 1.10, then traded him to the owner of 1.12 which I then took Gore with. I dont know that DW is going much higher than 1.8ish or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oubean Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 In a startup dynasty, I actually took him at 1.10, then traded him to the owner of 1.12 which I then took Gore with. I dont know that DW is going much higher than 1.8ish or so. For a dynasty league then I think you made a good decision. Where did Stewart go? Because I wouldn't want to have to use a pick on Stewart very early just to cuff him with Williams. I can see why dynasty owners are not taking him in the top three, but you can bet in redraft he will go in the top 3 a lot. Im just not sure that will be a good move for those owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 For a dynasty league then I think you made a good decision. Where did Stewart go? Because I wouldn't want to have to use a pick on Stewart very early just to cuff him with Williams. Owners who draft DW and aren't prepared to burn a 5th rounder will probably lose Stewart quite often and the risk would likely go up exponentially in the subsequent rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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