BeeR Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true Hard to argue w/that list IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hard to give any list like this credence without naming Favre - who has clearly proven himself to be a master at the 2 minute drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hard to give any list like this credence without naming Favre - who has clearly proven himself to be a master at the 2 minute drill. Im not sure if that list is in order. If so Id say they were a little off because Montana and Brady are 1 and 1a IMO As far as Favre. While I agree with you to a point I think his bonehead give aways probably kept him off the list. Too many careless picks .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 As far as Favre. While I agree with you to a point I think his bonehead give aways probably kept him off the list. Too many careless picks .. I won't disagree with this, but doesn't preclude what Favre could do in the last 2 minutes of halves - which is one of the essentials in measuring "clutch". It also doesn't address that some of those guys played for loaded teams and didn't have to do everything themselves. Favre made mediocre WRs into stars, who when they left GB turned back into the lousy players they were (J Walker, Freeman, Schroeder to name a few). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Im not sure if that list is in order. If so Id say they were a little off because Montana and Brady are 1 and 1a IMO If you read the blurbs under the players name you will see that they are from 10-1 with Montana as #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I won't disagree with this, but doesn't preclude what Favre could do in the last 2 minutes of halves - which is one of the essentials in measuring "clutch". It also doesn't address that some of those guys played for loaded teams and didn't have to do everything themselves. Favre made mediocre WRs into stars, who when they left GB turned back into the lousy players they were (J Walker, Freeman, Schroeder to name a few). Let me see if I have this correct BB.... Most of the QBs on that list really shouldn't be there because they had good players around them? Favor should be there because he didn't? *sigh* I knew that there couldn't be a post without someone mentioning Favor. :oldrazz: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Let me see if I have this correct BB.... Most of the QBs on that list really shouldn't be there because they had good players around them? Favor should be there because he didn't? *sigh* You obviously either misread what I posted or intentionally misinterpreted it. I didn't say "most of the QBs on that list shouldn't be there". I did state that Favre qualified for the list based on his career performance in clutch situations - the INT vs NY in the conference finals not withstanding, and that Favre did what he did without nearly as much surrounding talent as some of the other names on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 You obviously either misread what I posted or intentionally misinterpreted it. I didn't say "most of the QBs on that list shouldn't be there". I did state that Favre qualified for the list based on his career performance in clutch situations - the INT vs NY in the conference finals not withstanding, and that Favre did what he did without nearly as much surrounding talent as some of the other names on that list. I knew the word "most" was going to get me into trouble. I think that the list is pretty darn good actually. And the omission of Favre doesn't bother be in the least. But then, on my list of greatest he doesn't break my top 10.... or even come close. But that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I knew the word "most" was going to get me into trouble. I think that the list is pretty darn good actually. And the omission of Favre doesn't bother be in the least. But then, on my list of greatest he doesn't break my top 10.... or even come close. But that is just me. Yeah, why would the NFL's career passing yd/passing TD leader, who is also in the top 10 in almost every significant career passing stat be on anyone's list of top QBs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Yeah, why would the NFL's career passing yd/passing TD leader, who is also in the top 10 in almost every significant career passing stat be on anyone's list of top QBs? I did say that it was just me. But if I needed to win a game I can think of oodles and oodles of QBs I would rather send out there than him. At least he wasn't Marino though. Lead in everything and can't even get the big one. I'll give Favre that. Stats aren't everything..... winning is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 At least he wasn't Marino though. Lead in everything and can't even get the big one. I'll give Favre that. Stats aren't everything..... winning is. I'll let your words speak for themselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true Hard to argue w/that list IMO. um Terry Bradshaw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Yeah, why would the NFL's career passing yd/passing TD leader, who is also in the top 10 in almost every significant career passing stat be on anyone's list of top QBs? maybe they listened to all your whining the last few years and decided he's an overrated prima donna attention wh00re who throws too many picks with the game on the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 maybe they listened to all your whining the last few years and decided he's an overrated prima donna attention wh00re who throws too many picks with the game on the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Interesting that Brady made it instead of Peyton. Stats aren't everything..... winning is. Oh I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Oh I see. I seriously doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 no pastorini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I seriously doubt it. The list is hard to argue with, but I think I'd put Staubach ahead of Elway (i.e. move Elway down to 4, moving Roger and Brady up to 3 and 2 respectively). But that could be my homerism talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Why no Warren Moon ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheTrenches Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) um Terry Bradshaw? I'd have to say that Bradshaw easily deserves to be on this list. How can you say Montana #1 because he was 4 out of 4 in SB's and Bradshaw 11+ with the same acolades. Edited June 15, 2009 by InTheTrenches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron2112 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Bradshaw used to bring the Steelers back all the time(with the help of a pair of pretty clutch WR's of course)... as a Raider fan, I used to hate that bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheTrenches Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Bradshaw used to bring the Steelers back all the time(with the help of a pair of pretty clutch WR's of course)... as a Raider fan, I used to hate that bastard. I guess besides Elway (much was done w/ out R Smith and S Sharpe) and Brady. All of those QB's had some weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheTrenches Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I won't disagree with this, but doesn't preclude what Favre could do in the last 2 minutes of halves - which is one of the essentials in measuring "clutch". It also doesn't address that some of those guys played for loaded teams and didn't have to do everything themselves. Favre made mediocre WRs into stars, who when they left GB turned back into the lousy players they were (J Walker, Freeman, Schroeder to name a few). In his prime Freeman was far from mediocre. Javon was on his way to becoming a star before the ACL. Not sure if Schroeder ever looked the part of a "star". Don't forget about Sterling, R Brooks, K Jackson, Edgar, and Dorsey (the latter 2 were big compliments to the passing game as RB's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ernie McCracken Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hardly top 10, but Brian Sipe had a couple of awesome comebacks for the 1980 carciac kids in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Favre made mediocre WRs into stars, who when they left GB turned back into the lousy players they were (J Walker, Freeman, Schroeder to name a few). Eh, I think Walker's decline has more to do with injuries and off-field issues than with a lack of talent. I'd say Walker was maybe the 2nd-best WR Favre played with, behind Sharpe and ahead of Brooks (pre-knee injury) and Driver. Jennings is going to be good but he had "young" Greg Jennings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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