Bronco Billy Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Hypothetical question: If an owner plays in a $$$ FF league, owns two teams in the league, pays for both teams, and does not have any interaction between the teams, is it fair and/or ethical? Edited August 4, 2009 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 way too many potential issues there. i would not want to be in that league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 way too many potential issues there. i would not want to be in that league. That wasn't the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) way too many potential issues there. i would not want to be in that league. +1 If you're stuck, freeze the roster of one of the teams and have the commish set lineups only. No trades or waivers until a replacement owner can be found. There are other things the owner can do to use this to his advantage (not set the best lineup for one team when they play each other, etc). I wouldn't call it unethical but at the same time, it is highly unfair. Edited August 4, 2009 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I voted no because if those two teams were to play late in the season, he could manipulate his lineups to ensure one team wins, which could help him make the playoffs. That would be the most glaring issue, but I'm sure the rest of the owners would be uncomfortable just on principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 If you can own 2 teams, whats to say he couldnt own 3 teams or hell, even 4 or 5? Like Matt said above, it would be unfair when they play each other. That and what the hell kind of league would allow that anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 No under any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Is this poll in response to what I posted in Ladder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Is this poll in response to what I posted in Ladder? Thought the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Is this poll in response to what I posted in Ladder? Haven't seen what you reference but for some reason, I thought this had to do with the Ladder. Don't ask me why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Ethics: I don't think that it is necessarily unethical as long as it's all above board. If everyone involved knows and agrees to the situation, then I would not say that it is unethical. If it happened without everyone knowing about it, then yes it is unethical. Fairness: I wouldn't want to be involved in that league because I don't think that it is fair. In a standard 12-team league, before the season begins each owner in essence has the same 1 in 12 chance to win the Championship. If one of those owners has two teams, then he has dramatically increased his odds of winning the Championship compared to the other owners (2 in 12 vs. 1 in 12). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 My first thought is that while not unethical and probably not unfair during the season (as long as the teams don't face each other), the owner would likely have an unfair advantage during the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 That wasn't the question. i believe it is possible to be fair and ethical to manage two teams independently. i even believe it to be possible that this could be the case even if these two teams were permitted to interact and trade. theoretically, a single owner is capable of managing two teams independently, trying to maximize the chances that both teams win it all. so a better question would be if we believed it to be possible, not whether it is, because that depends on the owner. even with that owner, however, you still have all the other owners and some will indeed raise questions when something even looks off. i would not want to be in a league that had to deal with the inevitable issues that would surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Apparently, LoyalBoyd and SuckMyVick are the same person and has played both identities in multiple leagues. If this is not true, then he needs to say so. If this is true, then wow... wtf? That being the case (if indeed it is true), then to answer BB's question, this situation is BOTH unethical and unfair. It's the very definition of each, in fact. My dealings with 'boyd thru the Ladder have been solid, so until it's proven for sure, it's speculation and should not be mentioned. Edited August 4, 2009 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Apparently, LoyalBoyd and SuckMyVick are the same person and has played both identities in multiple leagues.If this is not true, then he needs to say so. If this is true, then wow... wtf? If this is true and was not disclosed I think it is very very bush league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 Fairness: I wouldn't want to be involved in that league because I don't think that it is fair. In a standard 12-team league, before the season begins each owner in essence has the same 1 in 12 chance to win the Championship. If one of those owners has two teams, then he has dramatically increased his odds of winning the Championship compared to the other owners (2 in 12 vs. 1 in 12). And wouldn't he have paid twice as much in dues? The odds of his winning in relation to what he risked is identical as all other owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 In my local league there are 2 guys who I have been friends with for 20+ years, 2 other guys that I have been friends with for 16 years, my brother in law, and a bunch of other guys I am friends with and have known for close to 10 years. I would front league fee for at least half of the guys in the league if they came to me, and I wouldn't consider it unethical at all. I would be less inclined to deal with them for trades, etc., in case there would even be a thought in someone's mind of impropriety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 Is this poll in response to what I posted in Ladder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 To answer the question. If it was disclosed and people didnt oppose to it then I guess it flies. If it wasnt it is very dishonest. Your approach to managing your teams certainly changes if you are managing 2 teams. It throws of the balance and natural order of things. If you use a waiver rotation for free agents for example one of your teams may be out of the hunt and you can strictly use that team to cock block other teams from getting certain free agents to protect your other team that may be in the hunt. I am sure if you think about it you can find a fair amount of reasons why this should never be allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Apparently, LoyalBoyd and SuckMyVick are the same person and has played both identities in multiple leagues. If this is not true, then he needs to say so. If this is true, then wow... wtf? This is unethical. No question about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 No way. Two teams don't have to interact with each other in order to effect the draft to the benefit of one team OR the waiver wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 And wouldn't he have paid twice as much in dues? The odds of his winning in relation to what he risked is identical as all other owners. Matters not BB. That's cheating and whomever we're discussing knew it was cheating else they would NOT have been quiet about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Its not that hard to prove. I've had this problem before and all I did was email MFL with an investigation request for both teams. They will find out the IP addy for both and log in times. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 In my local league there are 2 guys who I have been friends with for 20+ years, 2 other guys that I have been friends with for 16 years, my brother in law, and a bunch of other guys I am friends with and have known for close to 10 years. I would front league fee for at least half of the guys in the league if they came to me, and I wouldn't consider it unethical at all. I would be less inclined to deal with them for trades, etc., in case there would even be a thought in someone's mind of impropriety. What does this have to do with an owner owning 2 teams in the same league ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I agree that in theory if a person wanted to own and manage two teams and was open and upfront with the league about it then it could be both ethical and fair. However, in practice I don't think it can be done. Moreso though, if a person used separate identities to own two separate teams in the same league and did not inform the league about it, that clearly is grounds for expulsion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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