redcans Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Anyone else think the custom scoring options on this site are really limited? I can understand a free site catering only to the masses, but for a paid site there should certainly be more options added to the custom scoring page. Stats like fumbles lost, completions, distance scoring bonuses, rushing attempts, and points/yards are significant in a lot of leagues, and should be available options from which to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Anyone else think the custom scoring options on this site are really limited? I can understand a free site catering only to the masses, but for a paid site there should certainly be more options added to the custom scoring page. Stats like fumbles lost, completions, distance scoring bonuses, rushing attempts, and points/yards are significant in a lot of leagues, and should be available options from which to choose. Do you know of a site with these options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KordellStewartSucks4Life Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Anyone else think the custom scoring options on this site are really limited? I can understand a free site catering only to the masses, but for a paid site there should certainly be more options added to the custom scoring page. Stats like fumbles lost, completions, distance scoring bonuses, rushing attempts, and points/yards are significant in a lot of leagues, and should be available options from which to choose. I agree, but I also think that I can compile my own cheat sheet without the help of the customized scoring options. I use the cheat sheets for a list of players, but I do my own rankings based on my scoring system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Would a list of scoring rules like this help? 1 Number of Passing TDs 2 Length of Passing TD 3 Passing Yards 4 Average Yards per Pass 5 Pass Attempts 6 Pass Completions 7 Pass Completion Percentage 8 Pass Incompletions 9 Pass Interceptions Thrown 10 Number of Interceptions Thrown Returned for a TD 11 Length of Interception Thrown Returned for a TD 12 QB Sacked 13 QB Sacked Yardage 14 Passer Rating 15 Long Passing Plays of 20+ Yards 16 Long Passing Plays of 30+ Yards 17 Long Passing Plays of 40+ Yards 18 Long Passing Plays of 50+ Yards 19 Passing 2 Pointers 20 Number of Rushing TDs 21 Length of Rushing TD 22 Rushing Yards 23 Average Yards per Rush 24 Rush Attempts 25 Long Rushing Plays of 20+ Yards 26 Long Rushing Plays of 40+ Yards 27 Rushing 2 Pointers 28 Number of Receiving TDs 29 Length of Receiving TD 30 Receiving Yards 31 Average Yards per Reception 32 Receptions 33 Targets 34 Long Receptions of 20+ Yards 35 Long Receptions of 40+ Yards 36 Receiving 2 Pointers 37 Rushing + Receiving Yards 38 Passing + Rushing Yards 39 Total Yards from Scrimmage 40 Total Yards 41 Total Touchdowns 42 Number of Field Goals Made 43 Length of Field Goal Made 44 Number of Field Goals Missed 45 Length of Missed Field Goal 46 Number of Field Goals Attempted 47 Field Goal Percentage 48 Field Goals Had Blocked 49 Extra Points 50 Extra Points Missed 51 Extra Points Attempted 52 Extra Point Percentage 53 Extra Points Had Blocked 54 Punts 55 Punt Yards 56 Average Yards per Punt 57 Punts Inside 20 58 Punts Had Blocked 59 Number of Punt Return TDs 60 Length of Punt Return TD 61 Punt Returns 62 Punt Return Yards 63 Average Yards per Punt Return 64 Long Punt Returns of 40+ Yards 65 Number of Kickoff Return TDs 66 Length of Kickoff Return TD 67 Kickoff Returns 68 Kickoff Return Yards 69 Average Yards per Kickoff Return 70 Long Kickoff Returns of 40+ Yards 71 Fumbles 72 Fumbles on Offense 73 Fumbles on Special Teams 74 Fumbles on Defense 75 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 76 Fumbles Lost on Offense 77 Fumbles Lost on Special Teams 78 Fumbles Lost on Defense 79 Number of Defensive Fumble Recovery TDs 80 Length of Defensive Fumble Recovery TD 81 Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 82 Opponent Fumble Recovery Yards 83 Number of Fumbles Lost Returned for a TD 84 Length of Lost Fumble Returned for a TD 85 Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs 86 Length of Offensive Fumble Recovery TD 87 Number of Offensive Fumble Recoveries 88 Offensive Fumble Recovery Yardage 89 Forced Fumbles 90 Number of Interception Return TDs 91 Length of Interception Return TD 92 Interceptions Caught 93 Interception Return Yards 94 Passes Defensed 95 Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 96 Length of Blocked Field Goal TD 97 Blocked Field Goals 98 Number of Missed Field Goal Return TDs 99 Length of Missed Field Goal Return TD 100 Number of Blocked Punt TDs 101 Length of Blocked Punt TD 102 Blocked Punts 103 Blocked Extra Points 104 Defensive Tackles 105 Defensive Assists 106 Tackles 107 Assists 108 Assists Divided by 2 109 Sacked a QB 110 Sacked a QB Yardage 111 Tackles for a Loss 112 Safeties 113 Total Points Allowed 114 Special Teams Points Against 115 Offensive Points Against 116 Total Net Yards Allowed 117 Total Net Yards Passing Allowed 118 Total Net Yards Rushing Allowed 119 Number of Special Teams TDs Allowed 120 Number of Offensive TDs Allowed 121 Number of Defensive TDs 122 Length of Defensive TD 123 Successful 2 Point Conversions 124 Failed 2 Point Conversions 125 Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 126 Length of Defensive/Special Teams TDs 127 Penalties 128 Penalty Yards 129 Time of Possession (in Minutes) 130 Total Points Scored 131 Point Differential 132 Offensive Points Only 133 First Downs 134 Passing First Downs 135 Rushing First Downs 136 Receiving First Downs 137 Penalty First Downs 138 Third Down Conversions 139 Third Downs Failed 140 Fourth Down Conversions 141 Fourth Downs Failed 142 Games Won 143 Games Lost 144 Games Tied 145 Average Passing Yards Allowed per Game 146 Passing Defense Rank 147 Average Rushing Yards Allowed per Game 148 Rushing Defense Rank You can find them at mfl.com Even better, you can find them at FFLM, set up a bogus league, and determine scores every year for every player all the way back to 1988, and then copy them into a spreadsheet and them use them to create your own customized value system using actual scores weighted any way you see fit and create a cheatsheet with up to 21 years worth of data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Would a list of scoring rules like this help? 1 Number of Passing TDs 2 Length of Passing TD 3 Passing Yards 4 Average Yards per Pass 5 Pass Attempts 6 Pass Completions 7 Pass Completion Percentage 8 Pass Incompletions 9 Pass Interceptions Thrown 10 Number of Interceptions Thrown Returned for a TD 11 Length of Interception Thrown Returned for a TD 12 QB Sacked 13 QB Sacked Yardage 14 Passer Rating 15 Long Passing Plays of 20+ Yards 16 Long Passing Plays of 30+ Yards 17 Long Passing Plays of 40+ Yards 18 Long Passing Plays of 50+ Yards 19 Passing 2 Pointers 20 Number of Rushing TDs 21 Length of Rushing TD 22 Rushing Yards 23 Average Yards per Rush 24 Rush Attempts 25 Long Rushing Plays of 20+ Yards 26 Long Rushing Plays of 40+ Yards 27 Rushing 2 Pointers 28 Number of Receiving TDs 29 Length of Receiving TD 30 Receiving Yards 31 Average Yards per Reception 32 Receptions 33 Targets 34 Long Receptions of 20+ Yards 35 Long Receptions of 40+ Yards 36 Receiving 2 Pointers 37 Rushing + Receiving Yards 38 Passing + Rushing Yards 39 Total Yards from Scrimmage 40 Total Yards 41 Total Touchdowns 42 Number of Field Goals Made 43 Length of Field Goal Made 44 Number of Field Goals Missed 45 Length of Missed Field Goal 46 Number of Field Goals Attempted 47 Field Goal Percentage 48 Field Goals Had Blocked 49 Extra Points 50 Extra Points Missed 51 Extra Points Attempted 52 Extra Point Percentage 53 Extra Points Had Blocked 54 Punts 55 Punt Yards 56 Average Yards per Punt 57 Punts Inside 20 58 Punts Had Blocked 59 Number of Punt Return TDs 60 Length of Punt Return TD 61 Punt Returns 62 Punt Return Yards 63 Average Yards per Punt Return 64 Long Punt Returns of 40+ Yards 65 Number of Kickoff Return TDs 66 Length of Kickoff Return TD 67 Kickoff Returns 68 Kickoff Return Yards 69 Average Yards per Kickoff Return 70 Long Kickoff Returns of 40+ Yards 71 Fumbles 72 Fumbles on Offense 73 Fumbles on Special Teams 74 Fumbles on Defense 75 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 76 Fumbles Lost on Offense 77 Fumbles Lost on Special Teams 78 Fumbles Lost on Defense 79 Number of Defensive Fumble Recovery TDs 80 Length of Defensive Fumble Recovery TD 81 Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 82 Opponent Fumble Recovery Yards 83 Number of Fumbles Lost Returned for a TD 84 Length of Lost Fumble Returned for a TD 85 Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs 86 Length of Offensive Fumble Recovery TD 87 Number of Offensive Fumble Recoveries 88 Offensive Fumble Recovery Yardage 89 Forced Fumbles 90 Number of Interception Return TDs 91 Length of Interception Return TD 92 Interceptions Caught 93 Interception Return Yards 94 Passes Defensed 95 Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 96 Length of Blocked Field Goal TD 97 Blocked Field Goals 98 Number of Missed Field Goal Return TDs 99 Length of Missed Field Goal Return TD 100 Number of Blocked Punt TDs 101 Length of Blocked Punt TD 102 Blocked Punts 103 Blocked Extra Points 104 Defensive Tackles 105 Defensive Assists 106 Tackles 107 Assists 108 Assists Divided by 2 109 Sacked a QB 110 Sacked a QB Yardage 111 Tackles for a Loss 112 Safeties 113 Total Points Allowed 114 Special Teams Points Against 115 Offensive Points Against 116 Total Net Yards Allowed 117 Total Net Yards Passing Allowed 118 Total Net Yards Rushing Allowed 119 Number of Special Teams TDs Allowed 120 Number of Offensive TDs Allowed 121 Number of Defensive TDs 122 Length of Defensive TD 123 Successful 2 Point Conversions 124 Failed 2 Point Conversions 125 Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 126 Length of Defensive/Special Teams TDs 127 Penalties 128 Penalty Yards 129 Time of Possession (in Minutes) 130 Total Points Scored 131 Point Differential 132 Offensive Points Only 133 First Downs 134 Passing First Downs 135 Rushing First Downs 136 Receiving First Downs 137 Penalty First Downs 138 Third Down Conversions 139 Third Downs Failed 140 Fourth Down Conversions 141 Fourth Downs Failed 142 Games Won 143 Games Lost 144 Games Tied 145 Average Passing Yards Allowed per Game 146 Passing Defense Rank 147 Average Rushing Yards Allowed per Game 148 Rushing Defense Rank You can find them at mfl.com Even better, you can find them at FFLM, set up a bogus league, and determine scores every year for every player all the way back to 1988, and then copy them into a spreadsheet and them use them to create your own customized value system using actual scores weighted any way you see fit and create a cheatsheet with up to 21 years worth of data. Bet your sorry you asked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) I'll bet your you're sorry that you asked Fixed Edited August 20, 2009 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcans Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Do you know of a site with these options? KFFL has a pretty comprehensive one; and it's free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcans Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 I agree, but I also think that I can compile my own cheat sheet without the help of the customized scoring options. I use the cheat sheets for a list of players, but I do my own rankings based on my scoring system. At least for me, the point isn't whether I can do it myself or not, it's whether I should be able to do it on a website I pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At least for me, the point isn't whether I can do it myself or not, it's whether I should be able to do it on a website I pay for. This will not end well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcans Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 This will not end well... ??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 ??????? Serious question: How much did your membership cost you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At least for me, the point isn't whether I can do it myself or not, it's whether I should be able to do it on a website I pay for. I bought my car...doesn't mean that I expect it to do the driving for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 redcans, You have to excuse these guys. They are all Huddle apologists and will defend this site to the bitter end. Make no mistake, I love the Huddle. They provide some very good information that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. That said, I agree that customised cheat sheets could be a bit more robust. At least long TD bonuses. I am sure I will get flamed now but I think you have a valid point and I don't think that you should stand alone and get battered by insulting condecension. You pay for the site so you have a right to bring your concern to the table. I support your efforts and hope to see additional parameters to further customize my cheat sheet as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Hunters Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 oops I thought this was where they analyzed mock drafts... must be a different link. The huddle is great and thanks for the new custom scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 redcans, You have to excuse these guys. They are all Huddle apologists and will defend this site to the bitter end. Make no mistake, I love the Huddle. They provide some very good information that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. That said, I agree that customised cheat sheets could be a bit more robust. At least long TD bonuses. I am sure I will get flamed now but I think you have a valid point and I don't think that you should stand alone and get battered by insulting condecension. You pay for the site so you have a right to bring your concern to the table. I support your efforts and hope to see additional parameters to further customize my cheat sheet as a result. Yeah, and some people enjoy ripping a site when they pay only $25 and expect the site to do everything for them as well as be 100% correct on analysis an prognostication of events that have yet to occur. People who are members here pay just over $1 a week for the season (preseason through FF playoffs), and think they are entitled to services way beyond that value - and then have the temerity to be angry when things don't turn out perfectly because those same people couldn't wipe their own arses apparently much less can't make a decision on their own when it comes to FF. The information here is top notch - and I'll add through experience, one hell of a lot better than another much more prolific and boistrous site that actually misses or misinforms with injury information much moreso than here (and then you add that they are now posting f'n tweets as actual football news...). It's not a matter of not being able to criticize the site. You do that here regularly and yet you are still allowed to continue to do so despite what effect it might have on potential customers. It's realizing how much you are paying the site and what you are getting back for that amount. To expect that kind of completely customizable material so that you don't have to make any decisions for yourself in FF is asking a bit much for that amount on top of all the other material you get here, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At least long TD bonuses. Addressing this one in particular, to do so would require DMD to attempt to predict the length of every single TD for the entirety of the NFL season. Not exactly a reasonable request. However, even though it is obviously not my place to speak for the Huddle, because there are predictions on carries and completions, I would think that this is a more reasonable request. Not sure what you meant by points/yards, but I can set up yardage scoring in the myHuddle setup to create the custom cheat sheet. Did you meant something different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) I agree with most of what you say Billy. Cheet sheets should be used as a template rather than a bible and you should form your own opinions. That said, I don't think that a paying member should be ripped for asking for another feature. The Huddle is cheap enough, certainly. If they weren't, they would lose a lot of business. Just because they stay competitive with their price does not mean that they should ignore the requests of their customer. Personally, I am not using The Huddle's cheat sheets at all this year because I do not agree with their rankings. I do think that their Ease of Schedule and other tools are invaluable for the cost, so that much I can agree with. Edited August 20, 2009 by Scourge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I agree with most of what you say Billy. Cheet sheets should be used as a template rather than a bible and you should form your own opinions. That said, I don't think that a paying member should be ripped for asking for another feature. The Huddle is cheap enough, certainly. If they weren't, they would lose a lot of business. Just because they stay competitive with their price does not mean that they should ignore the requests of their customer. Personally, I am not using The Huddle's cheat sheets at all this year because I do not agree with their rankings. I do think that their Ease of Schedule and other tools are invaluable for the cost, so that much I can agree with. That's a fair comment. I still have a difficult time understanding why people would want to play a game where others are making all the decisions for them. Where's the fun in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 That's a fair comment. I still have a difficult time understanding why people would want to play a game where others are making all the decisions for them. Where's the fun in that? Well, I have fun making decisions for others when there is no risk in it for me. That way I feel glory when it is right and hide behind the anonymity of the innernets when I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 redcans, You have to excuse these guys. They are all Huddle apologists and will defend this site to the bitter end. Make no mistake, I love the Huddle. They provide some very good information that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. That said, I agree that customised cheat sheets could be a bit more robust. At least long TD bonuses. I am sure I will get flamed now but I think you have a valid point and I don't think that you should stand alone and get battered by insulting condecension. You pay for the site so you have a right to bring your concern to the table. I support your efforts and hope to see additional parameters to further customize my cheat sheet as a result. I'm not so sure that long tds can accurately be predicted. If some players have a greater tendency to break a long one more than another, how hard is it to pick that player from your list before another player. People are looking for perfect answers in a non-perfect world of the NFL. Yes, I would love to know which player will break a 50 yard td run in week 8. I would also love to know what the stock market is going to do one week in advance for the rest of the year. Help me find a website with those answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Well, I have fun making decisions for others when there is no risk in it for me. That way I feel glory when it is right and hide behind the anonymity of the innernets when I am wrong. Truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcans Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yeah, and some people enjoy ripping a site when they pay only $25 and expect the site to do everything for them as well as be 100% correct on analysis an prognostication of events that have yet to occur. People who are members here pay just over $1 a week for the season (preseason through FF playoffs), and think they are entitled to services way beyond that value - and then have the temerity to be angry when things don't turn out perfectly because those same people couldn't wipe their own arses apparently much less can't make a decision on their own when it comes to FF. The information here is top notch - and I'll add through experience, one hell of a lot better than another much more prolific and boistrous site that actually misses or misinforms with injury information much moreso than here (and then you add that they are now posting f'n tweets as actual football news...). It's not a matter of not being able to criticize the site. You do that here regularly and yet you are still allowed to continue to do so despite what effect it might have on potential customers. It's realizing how much you are paying the site and what you are getting back for that amount. To expect that kind of completely customizable material so that you don't have to make any decisions for yourself in FF is asking a bit much for that amount on top of all the other material you get here, don't you think? Wow, Bronco Billy, sounds like I struck quite a chord with you. It's actually somewhat amazing how personal you seem to have taken this whole thing. Please allow me to elaborate on my question/request. First off, I fully recognize the value of this site. The in-seaon information is top notch, as I discovered in my 1st season using the site last year. Second, I don't take rankings/projections/cheat sheets as gospel nor do I make draft or lineup decisions based soley upon them. Rather, I use them as a starting point and tweak them based on the individual league and my own projections. And I've enjoyed quite a bit of success over the years. Thus, I don't expect a website to do everything for me, nor do I expect the information to be 100% correct. My point was, if The Huddle is going to advertise "customized cheat sheets," as they do prominently on their "Why Join the Huddle?" page, they should deliver a bit more than they do. In all reality, the customized features offer nothing more than the boilerplate cheat sheets (PRR, performance, etc.). If they did not advertise these feature, I would have no problem. Nor do I think a significant expense would be incurred by including fumbles lost and DST points/yards allowed as additional stat criteria. Let me ask you this: if you pride yourself so much on making your own decisions and not relying on others to do the work for you, why are you a member here? Why don't you just gather information from all the available print and internet media outlets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 My point was, if The Huddle is going to advertise "customized cheat sheets," as they do prominently on their "Why Join the Huddle?" page, they should deliver a bit more than they do. In all reality, the customized features offer nothing more than the boilerplate cheat sheets (PRR, performance, etc.). If they did not advertise these feature, I would have no problem. Nor do I think a significant expense would be incurred by including fumbles lost and DST points/yards allowed as additional stat criteria. Actually, through the MyHuddle feature, you are customizing to YOUR scoring system as best as can be handled. PPR - is 1 point per reception for everyone, is it 0.5 per reception, is it varied by position? Their customizing app handles these nuances that most of the others out there that I have seen do not. Fumbles lost, sure, if it was a number the is included in the projections, then I would agree could probably be added as a feature. The points/yards allowed feature would require making a prediction on the yards gained and score of every single game for the season. Not something that is likely to happen, nor is there any chance that such things could be predicted with an sense of confidence, just like the distance scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 ...if The Huddle is going to advertise "customized cheat sheets," as they do prominently on their "Why Join the Huddle?" page, they should deliver a bit more than they do. In all reality, the customized features offer nothing more than the boilerplate cheat sheets (PRR, performance, etc.). If they did not advertise these feature, I would have no problem. Nor do I think a significant expense would be incurred by including fumbles lost and DST points/yards allowed as additional stat criteria. I agree with this as well. I don't expect the customization to get to the level that BB had above (and most of what our leagues are) but I was expecting a few more categories when I first went into the new "myHuddle" application. Can I live with what is in there right now to help me with my planning? Of course I can, but a few more categories would have been a great bonus. Whatever categories DMD uses in doing his projections for players would certainly be acceptable. If he doesn't actual use completions, carries, etc and the current myHuddle has all the pieces he actually does use then that's fine too but I have a feeling he goes a bit deeper than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 It is amazing that a feature that wasn't offered until a couple of weeks ago is being complained about. The Huddle would have been better off NOT offering this feature, thus keeping the whining to a minimum. Amazing...more features makes people complain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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