gocubbies621 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 He is still listed behind Terrence Copper on the depth chart and they seem to be totally unorganized. Did I make a mistake paying for him? Is this all just a mind game to get him to work harder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 He is still listed behind Terrence Copper on the depth chart and they seem to be totally unorganized. Did I make a mistake paying for him? Is this all just a mind game to get him to work harder? He's their best WR by far, I wouldn't be worried about depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEmpire.com Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I'd be a lot more worried about Cassell's knee than the depth chart. Bowe was going to have enough problems fighting off double teams... I don't think he needs Tyler Thigpen throwing to him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocubbies621 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) I'd be a lot more worried about Cassell's knee than the depth chart. Bowe was going to have enough problems fighting off double teams... I don't think he needs Tyler Thigpen throwing to him again. I liked Pigpen! Bowe had a good year with him slinging it around! Wasn't good for the Cheifs but it was good for fantasy! Edited September 2, 2009 by gocubbies621 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I'd be a lot more worried about Cassell's knee than the depth chart. Bowe was going to have enough problems fighting off double teams... I don't think he needs Tyler Thigpen throwing to him again. Bowe with Thigpen throwing to him = 86rec/1022yds/7TDs Ummmmm...As a Bowe owner I'm down with that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It doesnt matter whos throwing it to him, he will get his #s this year. 1000+ yards and 8 TDs is my prediction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Being afraid of a depth chart is like fearing drowning in a pool with no water in it. In other words...relax. It's a damn piece of paper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEmpire.com Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Bowe with Thigpen throwing to him = 86rec/1022yds/7TDs Ummmmm...As a Bowe owner I'm down with that!! That was with Gonzalez there to take away a safety every once in a while. Who on Earth is going to draw coverage away from Bowe now? I think the downgrade in receiving teammates requires an upgrade at the QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belushi Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I'd be more worried about that O-line and lack of a quality #2 option in the passing game. He'll move back up the chart, and they'll have to throw plenty to try to catch up. I don't think it matters if its Cassell or Thigpen throwing to him. Now if its Croyle, you've got a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocubbies621 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 Being afraid of a depth chart is like fearing drowning in a pool with no water in it. In other words...relax. It's a damn piece of paper... Point taken! I just worry about when coaches try to give players these life lessons and sit them to prove a point. It can get out of hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 That was with Gonzalez there to take away a safety every once in a while. Who on Earth is going to draw coverage away from Bowe now? I think the downgrade in receiving teammates requires an upgrade at the QB position. My boy Mark Bradley thats who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 That was with Gonzalez there to take away a safety every once in a while. Who on Earth is going to draw coverage away from Bowe now? I think the downgrade in receiving teammates requires an upgrade at the QB position. So all stud WRs have a stud TE taking the safety away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEmpire.com Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 So all stud WRs have a stud TE taking the safety away? No, but I'm willing to bet that they have a really good QB and/or a solid #2 receiving option (TE or WR, no matter). Recapping the Top 11 WR's (I think the arguments get muddied after that): Fitz - Boldin & Warner Moss - Brady & Welker (?) Andre Johnson - Schaub, Daniels, and Walter (none are great, but all are solid) Calvin Johnson - exception Roddy White - Matt Ryan was a big difference for him last year Jennings - Rodgers & Driver Steve Smith - Muhammad & Delhomme (at least in the past) Boldin - Fitz & Warner Wayne - Manning & Clark Bowe - ??? Colston - Moore, Brees, maybe even Bush So we have two real exceptions... Bowe and Johnson. And those are the two guys in the Top 11 that I am very hesitant to draft at the position they'd need to be picked in order to get them this year. Smith could be argued as a 3rd, and I have generally avoided him as well. Just my system, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 That was with Gonzalez there to take away a safety every once in a while. Who on Earth is going to draw coverage away from Bowe now? I think the downgrade in receiving teammates requires an upgrade at the QB position. Gonzalez did help open up some receiver routes, but not to the point I think your trying to make. KC still has some decent receivers that will force double coverage across the line, opening up plenty of lanes for Bowe. I think Cooper and Bradley will take some double coverage and whom ever is at QB, Bowe will get plenty of touches. My guess is at least 1K + 7TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSampson Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Can you tie it in a knot? Can you tie it in a Bowe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Gonzalez did help open up some receiver routes, but not to the point I think your trying to make. KC still has some decent receivers that will force double coverage across the line, opening up plenty of lanes for Bowe. I think Cooper and Bradley will take some double coverage and whom ever is at QB, Bowe will get plenty of touches. My guess is at least 1K + 7TD's. The first bolded part, teams will double Cooper and Bradley and leave Bowe out on an island? I can't see that happening. Second bolded part, I agree 100%. Bowe will get the lion's share of the looks, which will lead to more touches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) No, but I'm willing to bet that they have a really good QB and/or a solid #2 receiving option (TE or WR, no matter). Recapping the Top 11 WR's (I think the arguments get muddied after that): Fitz - Boldin & Warner Moss - Brady & Welker (?) Andre Johnson - Schaub, Daniels, and Walter (none are great, but all are solid) Calvin Johnson - exception Roddy White - Matt Ryan was a big difference for him last year Jennings - Rodgers & Driver Steve Smith - Muhammad & Delhomme (at least in the past) Boldin - Fitz & Warner Wayne - Manning & Clark Bowe - ??? Colston - Moore, Brees, maybe even Bush So we have two real exceptions... Bowe and Johnson. And those are the two guys in the Top 11 that I am very hesitant to draft at the position they'd need to be picked in order to get them this year. Smith could be argued as a 3rd, and I have generally avoided him as well. Just my system, though. Bowe was fine with Thigpen, first of all. Second of all, plenty of holes in this argument: Roddy White only had 11 more yards per game under Ryan, and scored only one more TD as compared to his 07-08 season. LOL @ using Steve Smith - and Delhomme/Muhammed - as an example. This guy performs no matter what. Lance Moore? You really think he's helping Marques Colston achieve stud status? Great WRs are going to be great no matter what. Edited September 2, 2009 by darin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 The first bolded part, teams will double Cooper and Bradley and leave Bowe out on an island? I can't see that happening. Second bolded part, I agree 100%. Bowe will get the lion's share of the looks, which will lead to more touches. I didn't mean to imply that because the Chiefs have Cooper and Bradley that Bowe will be granted single coverage game in and game out. I do think that having two other very capable WR's will opt allot better opportunities for Bowe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Great WRs are going to be great no matter what. ABSOLUTELY! Hell, look at Calvin Johnson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) Bowe is talented. He put up good numbers his rookie year and good numbers last year with 3 different QB's. Calling the Chiefs offense pedestrian, during this time period, is probably being kind. Bowe got ton of targets and receptions last year; now the big red zone target in Gonzo,is gone. I think that ends up being a positive for Bowe's total TD's. For whatever worries there are around Bowe, there is also a 2-season resume that should alleviate a lot of those fears; and he is entering the "mythical/magical" 3rd season as a WR. Like Bowe a lot compared to some of the guys going around/before him in drafts. Edited September 2, 2009 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Bowe is talented. He put up good numbers his rookie year and good numbers last year with 3 different QB's. Calling the Chiefs offense pedestrian, during this time period, is probably being kind. Bowe got ton of targets and receptions last year; now the big red zone target in Gonzo,is gone. I think that ends up being a positive for Bowe's total TD's. For whatever worries there are around Bowe, there is also a 2-season resume that should elevate a lot of those fears; and he is entering the "mythical/magical" 3rd season as a WR. Like Bowe a lot compared to some of the guys going around/before him in drafts. Elevate, as in raise fears, or alleviate those fears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Elevate, as in raise fears, or alleviate those fears? Edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEmpire.com Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I admit this could all be me playing it safe and trusting that a better supporting cast equals more consistent production, but I just think there is a lot of risk to the guys who don't have support around him. Maybe I'm using a small sample size, but take Calvin Johnson for example. In my limited observation last year, it seemed like he would do nothing, do nothing, do nothing for most of the game, then BAM... 80-yard TD catch and run. Stats ended up being there, but it was breaking one big play as opposed to grabbing a bunch of balls and red zone scores. There were 9 times last season that he caught 4 or fewer passes in a game. His biggest fantasy game of the season was a 2-catch, 154-yard performance against Houston. I'm sure many would say that it doesn't matter how he piles up his yards, but I ask what happens if he doesn't slip the safety this season on those big gainers? Are we now looking at a guy with 2 catches for 60 yards and 0 scores? Interested in opinions as this is just a philosophy I have for comparing guys at each level. If I'm taking a Top 4 guy, I'm picking Johnson last for these kinds of reasons. I'd rather have a guy who is going to get more targets, get more receptions (Johnson ended the season with just 78 receptions), and not rely on a ton of big plays in limited opportunities to rack up his 1,000+ yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Those are the receivers who are your biggest threat. You know they are going to break at least one big play per game but that is the extent of their danger. Do you gaurd him religiously to protect against one potential long ball or let the slot receivers have their way with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Sounds like the depth chart is out-of-date or inaccurate... either way, that has nothing to do with the organization being "disorganized." It has to do with the fact that the Chiefs couldn't care less whether fantasy footballers get accurate information on who is starting over who. You have to take NFL depth charts with a grain of salt, as they are not geared towards fantasy production. Sort of like NBA "starters"... not always necessarily the five players that put up the best stats (i.e. Manu Ginobili). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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