BearBroncos Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I found this not to be surprising, but I am interested in what role he will take. Maybe split with McNabb? Wide reciever? Maybe RB, TE, WR and QB or just for Wildcat? Are McNabb owners worried in the slightest that maybe they burnt a draft pick that might lose some production to Vick? Source, and not a strong one at that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Vick met with Goodell this morning. We'll find out soon enough. If he does start, it will be some sort of wildcat formation. An absolute nightmare for opposing defenses IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Vick met with Goodell this morning. We'll find out soon enough. If he does start, it will be some sort of wildcat formation. An absolute nightmare for opposing defenses IMO. Im not sure if it will be more of a nightmare for the defenses but definitely a nightmare for the defense coordinators that are game planning. I mead how do you game plan when you are not sure what will be coming at you ? Once he is on the field and lined up the defenses will defend accordingly but at least for the 1st part of the season the Def coordinators are going to be scratching their heads and pulling out their hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 God I hope he does not succeed. I know it is bad to wish ill will but if Vick succeeds it will just show these thugs that they can continue to do all the wrong things and still be highly rewarded. I hope for an epic fail (not an injury just poor play) and Vick can ride off into the sunset and smoke his bowl, pass on STD's all while drowning another dog that just would not perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 God I hope he does not succeed. I know it is bad to wish ill will but if Vick succeeds it will just show these thugs that they can continue to do all the wrong things and still be highly rewarded. I hope for an epic fail (not an injury just poor play) and Vick can ride off into the sunset and smoke his bowl, pass on STD's all while drowning another dog that just would not perform. Wow - little harsh? The dude just got out of jail (i.e., he did his time) - on top of being incarcerated, he lost countless millions while he was in there. He may be able to make some money right now, but please recall that he's $9mm in debt because of his jail time. People need to get off his back - he's one of the few who's actually done his time for his transgressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Isnt he suspended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Wow - little harsh? The dude just got out of jail (i.e., he did his time) - on top of being incarcerated, he lost countless millions while he was in there. He may be able to make some money right now, but please recall that he's $9mm in debt because of his jail time. People need to get off his back - he's one of the few who's actually done his time for his transgressions. I am not saying kill or torture him (like he did to many many dogs). All I am saying is that he fails at his comeback to the NFL. After failing in the NFL if he would take on a job educating people about animal cruelty or maybe volunteering for some animal shelters out of his own good will (now that he is reformed and is truly remorseful) I would hope he succeeds admirably - I just don't see that happening. Edited September 3, 2009 by gbpfan1231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 It was a horrific, stupid and borderline unforgivable thing that Vick did but I also think everyone disserves a second chance.....for real life that is. I think the NFL should REALLY put the clamps down and have a 1 strike your out rule. These guys are multi millionaires and have the best jobs in the world. They should have a little respect for the luxury they have and understand that such screw-up’s would result in the loss of your million dollar free lunch ride. You put a rule in like this, I bet most would think twice before being freaking idiots! Just my two cents, I know most will disagree with it, but oh well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 It was a horrific, stupid and borderline unforgivable thing that Vick did but I also think everyone disserves a second chance.....for real life that is. I think the NFL should REALLY put the clamps down and have a 1 strike your out rule. These guys are multi millionaires and have the best jobs in the world. They should have a little respect for the luxury they have and understand that such screw-up’s would result in the loss of your million dollar free lunch ride. You put a rule in like this, I bet most would think twice before being freaking idiots! Just my two cents, I know most will disagree with it, but oh well! For what thing that Vick did should he deserve his second chance? The pot water bottle at the airport? The Ron Mexico STD fiasco? The killing of dogs? Then lying about it? He has had his chances I just think he is a bad dude and does not deserve to be rewarded for his wrong doings. I am all for a one strike rule. Way too many thugs in professional sports these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I am not saying kill or torture him (like he did to many many dogs). All I am saying is that he fails at his comeback to the NFL. After failing in the NFL if he would take on a job educating people about animal cruelty or maybe volunteering for some animal shelters out of his own good will (now that he is reformed and is truly remorseful) I would hope he succeeds admirably - I just don't see that happening. I hope he succeeds. He did his crime and did the time. Perhaps people don't understand how much he actually paid for what he did because he simply wasn't around for a while (it's easy for us to forget about this because we were focused on other news stories) . . . he was punished quite severely and, in my eyes, paid his debt to society. More power to him now. If he were acting like an arrogant prick now, I could see people wanting him to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) For what thing that Vick did should he deserve his second chance? The pot water bottle at the airport? The Ron Mexico STD fiasco? The killing of dogs? Then lying about it? He has had his chances I just think he is a bad dude and does not deserve to be rewarded for his wrong doings. I am all for a one strike rule. Way too many thugs in professional sports these days. I suspect you didn't read my post entirely! I honestly do not think athletes should get such second chances for crimes like this. Edited September 3, 2009 by BearBroncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'm sorry. I completely missed the part where it quotes the Eagles' coaching staff as saying that Vick would start IF he were to be eligible to play, of which the article is completely ambiguous on except for two un-named sources "close to the situation". Could you please quote that for me from the article of complete and utter speculation by someone with likely absolutely no knowledge of the situation wrote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Vick met with Goodell this morning. We'll find out soon enough. If he does start, it will be some sort of wildcat formation. An absolute nightmare for opposing defenses IMO. I see the split back formation with McNabb, Vick, and Westbrook. If Westbrook and Vick both do swing pass routes, what's the defense going to do? Leave the middle of the field open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'm sorry. I completely missed the part where it quotes the Eagles' coaching staff as saying that Vick would start IF he were to be eligible to play, of which the article is completely ambiguous on except for two un-named sources "close to the situation". Could you please quote that for me from the article of complete and utter speculation by someone with likely absolutely no knowledge of the situation wrote? It's pretty much going to happen, may not be Week 1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 It was a horrific, stupid and borderline unforgivable thing that Vick did but I also think everyone disserves a second chance.....for real life that is. I think the NFL should REALLY put the clamps down and have a 1 strike your out rule. These guys are multi millionaires and have the best jobs in the world. They should have a little respect for the luxury they have and understand that such screw-up’s would result in the loss of your million dollar free lunch ride. You put a rule in like this, I bet most would think twice before being freaking idiots! Just my two cents, I know most will disagree with it, but oh well! This would be asking the NFL to give away money, essentially. From their standpoint, why would they tell a player the caliber and stature of Mike Vick to hit the road if he's not currently in trouble with the law? He paid his dues and he respectfully crawled back on his knees asking to be let back in. He'd never been suspended in the NFL before (at least not as far as I can recall), so it's not like he's a problem player (the water bottle and Ron Mexico things are ridiculous to point at - those are minor personal character flaws that have nothing to do with this). The NFL isn't in the business of giving out free lunch rides - it's in the business of making money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I suspect you didn't read my post entirely! I honestly do not think athletes should get such second chances for crimes like this. Why should athletes be treated any differently than anyone else? Do you think doctors, actors, brokers and other highly paid individuals should also lose their livelihood for these kinds of crimes if they do their time? They already lost it for the time they were in the clink . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 You put a rule in like this, I bet most would think twice before being freaking idiots! They aren't working for a church. It's the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I see the split back formation with McNabb, Vick, and Westbrook. If Westbrook and Vick both do swing pass routes, what's the defense going to do? Leave the middle of the field open? Who's going to be across the middle if they've got an extra guy running a swing route? Vick may as well be Maclin in this scenario . . . I think the only potential danger you throw at the defenses is if Vick stays back because they have to guard against a pitch and toss - if he's not throwing the ball, he's no different than another WR or RB in the backfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 Why should athletes be treated any differently than anyone else? Do you think doctors, actors, brokers and other highly paid individuals should also lose their livelihood for these kinds of crimes if they do their time? They already lost it for the time they were in the clink . . . Actually, this topic has really gotten off the original topic and if you would like to discuss Doctors, brokers and other highly paid individuals than you might want to start another thread to discuss that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Actually, this topic has really gotten off the original topic and if you would like to discuss Doctors, brokers and other highly paid individuals than you might want to start another thread to discuss that. no interest in doing that, but nice job dodging the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 no interest in doing that, but nice job dodging the question I'm really interested in peoples opinion of the impact of Vick as a starting player and if anyone is worried about the impact to McNabbs time. That's what interest me more! Answering the question just prolongs the diatribe and takes the topic into pit of minutia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Why should athletes be treated any differently than anyone else? Do you think doctors, actors, brokers and other highly paid individuals should also lose their livelihood for these kinds of crimes if they do their time? They already lost it for the time they were in the clink . . . I'll answer that question! Athletes, especially the Roid Heads in baseball, are supposed to be role models for kids since the parents aren't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Why should athletes be treated any differently than anyone else? Do you think doctors, actors, brokers and other highly paid individuals should also lose their livelihood for these kinds of crimes if they do their time? They already lost it for the time they were in the clink . . . Not completely true. People who are convicted felons are treated differently and are often not welcome back to their professions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'll answer that question! Athletes, especially the Roid Heads in baseball, are supposed to be role models for kids since the parents aren't there. Well, now we're talking about people who are cheating at their job - that's a little different. I doubt that any kid is going to see what Vick did and think "Hey - that looks cool! I think I'll commit a crime and get hit with a 23 month prison sentence!" With the roid heads, those guys got a slap on the wrist (at worst) for what they did. We have legal system that punishes people in accordance with the severity of their crimes - this doesn't become an issue in sports much because when someone commits a REALLY serious crime (which is defined by sentencing guidelines, etc.), they go away for a very long time and reinstatement/further success isn't even an option. I'm of the mind that if someone serves their time in the eyes of the law, they should be given a second chance. Others are free to disagree - that's what these forums are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not completely true. People who are convicted felons are treated differently and are often not welcome back to their professions. Welcome back to their old jobs? I agree. Not welcome back to their professions? I don't think so (unless you're talking about a lawyer who gets disbarred or doctor who loses their license to practice medicine) - they can always re-enter their profession . . . it just becomes an issue as to whether anyone will hire them. Vick went through the same type of castigation when he came back and nobody wanted to sign him. That's the employer's prerogative - I just don't think that they should take away his ability to be signed . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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