SLAYER Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 LSU leads the way. they really probably don't belong in the top 20 ratherless the top 10. They can't run the ball & defense is adequate at best. I have seen all their games and get more depressed as the season goes on. Good thing we played Washington the first game of the season. They get four turnovers in the first half and still only had a two point lead at halftime against Miss St. Missed an EP and a 20 something yd FG. Just real disappointing so far. Les better get this team in shape otherwise when we hit the meat the season it will not be pretty. and yes for those that do not know I am a Tiger fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 ya ...they shouldn't even have rankings till....i don't know .....later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 big play LSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 Make that out of the top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I've been saying this about Ole Miss since the initial polls came out. Yes, they had a nice year last year and they were the only team to beat Florida and they did beat TT in their bowl game but top 5???... we saw Thursday that that was just not right. I, for one, was not surprised. Another in a long list of why the polls shouldn't come out until October. Of course TV loves to boast their #9 vs #11 match-up this Saturday so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 They are more deserving than any team that already has one loss, which are all imposters in the top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 Looking like we can add Miami to that list also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 and perhaps Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Just more examples of why teams should move to the back of the pack for losing, because eventually everyone will lose except for a select few, and those teams would be able to seperate themselves anyway. Preseason polls need to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Preseason polls need to go away. Please explain how you think banning pre-season polls helps college football? Do you really believe anything would change if they waited to say week 6? Not sure about how things works in your area of the country relative to high school football, but down here we have 32 team playoffs for each division. Yet we still have statewide football rankings. Don't see the harm, myself. It simply adds to the buildup of certain games. You can't tell me these preseason polls don't have some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Please explain how you think banning pre-season polls helps college football? Do you really believe anything would change if they waited to say week 6? Not sure about how things works in your area of the country relative to high school football, but down here we have 32 team playoffs for each division. Yet we still have statewide football rankings. Don't see the harm, myself. It simply adds to the buildup of certain games. You can't tell me these preseason polls don't have some merit. The Coaches Poll is 1/3rd of the BCS formula for one thing and automatically puts some teams at an unfair advantage over others, before the season starts based on absolutely nothing. How is this hard to follow? You always talk about the golf analogy, and I've always come back with if golf did it like the BCS, then Tiger Woods would start off at E par, and you would go right down the rankings.. +1 +2 +3 etc. What has Ohio State done in 2009 to be ranked as high as they are? Lose a close game to USC? Key word there is lose. They certainly haven't beaten anyone yet. They are ranked that high, simply because they were ranked high to begin with, lost, and didn't drop very far, and other teams ahead of them lost, and they bumped up by default. Meanwhile, you have undefeated teams still ranked outside the top 25. And this bias all starts preseason. It's why USC, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are still ranked in the Top 10 right now. If you're gonna make this poll a major component of your overall BCS picture, then make these guys earn it, by winning. Stop rewarding for "quality losses" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) :whisper: follow the money, it's the largest part of the equation...just look at Notre Dame as an example... ssshhh. Edited September 29, 2009 by millerx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 The Coaches Poll is 1/3rd of the BCS formula for one thing and automatically puts some teams at an unfair advantage over others, before the season starts based on absolutely nothing. How is this hard to follow? You always talk about the golf analogy, and I've always come back with if golf did it like the BCS, then Tiger Woods would start off at E par, and you would go right down the rankings.. +1 +2 +3 etc. What has Ohio State done in 2009 to be ranked as high as they are? Lose a close game to USC? Key word there is lose. They certainly haven't beaten anyone yet. They are ranked that high, simply because they were ranked high to begin with, lost, and didn't drop very far, and other teams ahead of them lost, and they bumped up by default. Meanwhile, you have undefeated teams still ranked outside the top 25. And this bias all starts preseason. It's why USC, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are still ranked in the Top 10 right now. If you're gonna make this poll a major component of your overall BCS picture, then make these guys earn it, by winning. Stop rewarding for "quality losses" Here's the Colley Bias Free Rankings - LOOK WHO"S #!! And even ranking that claims to be unbias can look unfair. It has Virginia Tech ahead of Alabama a team they lost to. Top 25—09/27 1. IOWA 2. LSU 3. MICHIGAN 4. FLORIDA 5. VA TECH 6. TEXAS 7. ALABAMA 8. BOISE ST 9. CINCY 10. AUBURN 11. KANSAS 12. HOUSTON 13. UCLA 14. WISCONSIN 15. OREGON 16. GEORGIA TECH 17. MIAMI FL 18. GEORGIA 19. ARIZONA 20. MISSOURI 21. S FLORIDA 22. BRIGHAM YOUNG 23. MINNESOTA 24. UNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Here's the Colley Bias Free Rankings - LOOK WHO"S #!! And even ranking that claims to be unbias can look unfair. It has Virginia Tech ahead of Alabama a team they lost to. Top 25—09/27 1. IOWA 2. LSU 3. MICHIGAN 4. FLORIDA 5. VA TECH 6. TEXAS 7. ALABAMA 8. BOISE ST 9. CINCY 10. AUBURN 11. KANSAS 12. HOUSTON 13. UCLA 14. WISCONSIN 15. OREGON 16. GEORGIA TECH 17. MIAMI FL 18. GEORGIA 19. ARIZONA 20. MISSOURI 21. S FLORIDA 22. BRIGHAM YOUNG 23. MINNESOTA 24. UNC FWIW, and i I know you know this, I don't think Iowa is the best team in the nation right now. There defense I believe has shown they are one of the elite, but the offense is far far far from being anywhere near where you need to be to be an elite squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The Colley / Iowa ranking, not to mention the AP/USA Today, are just further cause to eliminate or ignore preseason rankings. Yes, it was a nice win for the Hawkeyes but who really did they beat? A Penn St team that has beaten exactly no one and was only ranked in the top 5 because a bunch of folks got together and decided, with no real evidence, that they belonged there. Penn St has now played one decent team and they got beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The Colley / Iowa ranking, not to mention the AP/USA Today, are just further cause to eliminate or ignore preseason rankings. Yes, it was a nice win for the Hawkeyes but who really did they beat? A Penn St team that has beaten exactly no one and was only ranked in the top 5 because a bunch of folks got together and decided, with no real evidence, that they belonged there. Penn St has now played one decent team and they got beat. I agree we don't know how good Penn State is, but Penn State certainly is a better win than Oklahoma, or Ohio State has thus far in the year, and I dare say a better win than what USC has (we'll find out when PSU faces OSU though) . Oklahoma State's best win was vs Georgia. How good is Georgia? Georgia's best win was vs Arizona State. How good is Arizona State? And Iowa just beat Penn State in Happy Valley (last I checked a rather difficult place to play, even when PSU sucks, much less when they are favored by 10). All of those teams, have 1 loss, and still ranked ahead of undefeated Iowa in the Coaches poll. Lets not forget as well, Iowa got punished after a narrow win over Northern Iowa. They were ranked, and then dropped out. Who knows how high they would be ranked if they didn't get punished for winning. Again, do I think Iowa is #1 like that particular computer poll suggests? Absolutely not. Ask me in November, about that. But while your question is valid, at this point in the season, there are very few teams that have a better resume than Iowa. This can all change as we head into October, because now other teams can have their showcase games. But as of 9-30-09, you'd be hard pressed to find any factual reason to say that any of those 1 loss teams I mentioned deserve to be ranked higher. You can come up with a LOT of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens on the field, but nothing that has happened on the field so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I agree we don't know how good Penn State is, but Penn State certainly is a better win than Oklahoma, or Ohio State has thus far in the year, and I dare say a better win than what USC has (we'll find out when PSU faces OSU though) . Oklahoma State's best win was vs Georgia. How good is Georgia? Georgia's best win was vs Arizona State. How good is Arizona State? And Iowa just beat Penn State in Happy Valley (last I checked a rather difficult place to play, even when PSU sucks, much less when they are favored by 10). All of those teams, have 1 loss, and still ranked ahead of undefeated Iowa in the Coaches poll. Lets not forget as well, Iowa got punished after a narrow win over Northern Iowa. They were ranked, and then dropped out. Who knows how high they would be ranked if they didn't get punished for winning. Again, do I think Iowa is #1 like that particular computer poll suggests? Absolutely not. Ask me in November, about that. But while your question is valid, at this point in the season, there are very few teams that have a better resume than Iowa. This can all change as we head into October, because now other teams can have their showcase games. But as of 9-30-09, you'd be hard pressed to find any factual reason to say that any of those 1 loss teams I mentioned deserve to be ranked higher. You can come up with a LOT of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens on the field, but nothing that has happened on the field so far. I agree with almost everything you say... except UGA's best win was probably over S. Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I agree with almost everything you say... except UGA's best win was probably over S. Carolina Fair enough. Actually I would agree with that, since I would put much more emphasis on a conference win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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