Changing players after the games have started/over

[ethiopian]

Before we get into the details, is it ok, under any circumstances, for someone to change a lineup after the games are over?

[ebartender]

Before we get into the details, is it ok, under any circumstances, for someone to change a lineup after the games are over?

 

The only time we allow it is if you notify the guy you are playing that week BEFORE the game starts. For example, if I wanted to make a line-up change before the games started but I was not able to get to a computer then I would call the guy who I am playing that week and let him know what I wanted to do. To be safe I would let the commish know too.

[piratesownninjas]

after kickoff lineups are locked. No and ifs or buts.

[cliaz]

..buts.

 

lord, thats sexy. say it again but in spanish

[Grits and Shins]

Certainly ... I think we should all set our lineups after the games have been played. This allows us to maximize our lineups.

[MustOfBeenDrunk]

is this a trick question ?

[BillyBalata]

 

You've been playing FF with them nigerians again, haven't you?

[ethiopian]

My buddy is managing a friends team who has been out of town for a few weeks. He forgot to adjust his lineup (chris johnson). But he is the commissioner and decided to change the lineup after the games were over... Thoughts?

Edited November 2, 2009 by ethiopian

[ethiopian]

if someone is intentionally tanking, I could see the commish changing the lineup to replace a bye week player being played with the most logically choice. I'm not sure I'd do it, but I'm saying that I could see a scenario where it happens.

 

This is not an intentional move

[Grits and Shins]

My buddy is managing a friends team who has been out of town for a few weeks. He forgot to adjust his lineup (chris johnson). But he is the commissioner and decided to change the lineup after the games were over... Thoughts?

 

Absolutely ... he should start all the best players ... you know the ones that score the most points.

[delusions of grandeur]

I'd be pissed. If this is a commisioner rule in your league, or it's the norm, then that's one thing.

 

But if he randomly chose this week to play God for this guy's team, then that's wrong (especially if it makes a difference that favors him). If he doesn't have a dam good reason for doing so, I'd be having a league vote to change commisioners.

 

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. At least tell him that if wants to do that, do it beforehand. You can't make that determination after the fact.

[ethiopian]

He has been changing his team every week. This week, he "forgot." Is it not his responsibility to adjust the lineups before hand?

[Big John]

He has been changing his team every week. This week, he "forgot." Is it not his responsibility to adjust the lineups before hand?

In this context, players are locked once their games start. No changing after that.

[Puddy]

He has been changing his team every week. This week, he "forgot." Is it not his responsibility to adjust the lineups before hand?

I think so.

 

But who the hell goes out of town for weeks without internet access? Is he a missionary in Ethiopia?

[Puddy]

BTW Ethiopian. I copied your family portrait from Facebook. Have you gained a few ounces?

[delusions of grandeur]

He has been changing his team every week. This week, he "forgot." Is it not his responsibility to adjust the lineups before hand?

 

Yes it is, unless he has an unbiased way he can do it afterwards. Otherwise, how can you be unbiased when you already know what happens? Perhaps you should make a rule that they can only start the guy with highest projected points, or something like that.

 

Did he base his decision on projections, or how did he pick the fill-ins? If he just picked the highest scorers, then that is wrong.

[Delicious_bass]

In this context, players are locked once their games start. No changing after that.

This is the correct answer under these circumstances.

[MrTed46]

The only time I change someones lineup is if they contact me prior to that game starting wether via email (i prefer) or even phone. If i am not by a computer at the time I go change it and the league trusts me so there are no issues.

 

I would never do what he does, that not right.

[tazinib1]

I think so.

 

But who the hell goes out of town for weeks without internet access? Is he a missionary in Ethiopia?

 

[Big Country]

 

You've been playing FF with them nigerians again, haven't you?

 

 

Ok, this was funny and deserves kudos for the comedic aspect of the post.

[Cunning Runt]

In this context, players are locked once their games start. No changing after that.

 

Gotta disagree with ya completely here.

 

If it was the commish's responsibility to do this guy a favor and get his lineups in while he was away, I think it's pretty obvious that he would have wanted Chris Johnson in his starting lineup.

 

It happened after the fact and Johnson had a huge game. Sucks for his oppopnent and awkward for the commish. I get that. But in fairness to the guy that was out of town, he would have more of a gripe than anyone else if Johnson's points DIDN'T count.

 

If I had entrusted someone to field my lineup while I was out of town, I think it would go without saying I'd want Johnson in the game. And Johnson WAS on bye last week wasn't he? I can see how the commish coulda made a human error. A CORRECTABLE human error I should say. Like I said - sure it's awkward 'cause Johnson blew up. But that should have no relevance as to intent.

Edited November 2, 2009 by Cunning Runt

[Savage Beatings]

In this context, players are locked once their games start. No changing after that.

 

This is the correct answer under these circumstances.

 

Agreed.

 

 

Gotta disagree with ya completely here.

 

If it was the commish's responsibility to do this guy a favor and get his lineups in while he was away, I think it's pretty obvious that he would have wanted Chris Johnson in his starting lineup.

 

It happened after the fact and Johnson had a huge game. Sucks for his oppopnent and awkward for the commish. I get that. But in fairness to the guy that was out of town, he would have more of a gripe than anyone else if Johnson's points DIDN'T count.

 

If I had entrusted someone to field my lineup while I was out of town, I think it would go without saying I'd want Johnson in the game. And Johnson WAS on bye last week wasn't he? I can see how the commish coulda made a human error. A CORRECTABLE human error I should say. Like I said - sure it's awkward 'cause Johnson blew up. But that should have no relevance as to intent.

 

You make a pretty compelling argument. I'm very tempted to agree with you. But ultimately the person responsible for managing the lineup (in this case the Commish since the Owner asked him to do so in his absence) still has to abide by the rules of the league. If the Owner would have forgotten to set his own lineup in time, he would be out of luck. The Commissioner should not be given an expemption. He forgot to do it, and he is out of luck. As the Owner entrusting my team's management to the Commissioner I would be very upset that he forgot to do it, but would not expect him to break the rules to fix his mistake.

 

If the Owner or the Commissioner can show a dated email or something that specifically requests that Johnson be activated for this week, then I guess the post-kickoff change should be allowed. But without something like that, you can't just allow everyone to guess his intent. People start and bench all kinds of different crazy players each week depending upon matchups, injury reports, weather, etc. You just never know.

[Big Country]

Gotta disagree with ya completely here.

 

If it was the commish's responsibility to do this guy a favor and get his lineups in while he was away, I think it's pretty obvious that he would have wanted Chris Johnson in his starting lineup.

 

It happened after the fact and Johnson had a huge game. Sucks for his oppopnent and awkward for the commish. I get that. But in fairness to the guy that was out of town, he would have more of a gripe than anyone else if Johnson's points DIDN'T count.

 

If I had entrusted someone to field my lineup while I was out of town, I think it would go without saying I'd want Johnson in the game. And Johnson WAS on bye last week wasn't he? I can see how the commish coulda made a human error. A CORRECTABLE human error I should say. Like I said - sure it's awkward 'cause Johnson blew up. But that should have no relevance as to intent.

 

I'll have to disagree.

 

The owner that went out of town essentially asked the commish ot act as his agent in terms of running his team. Commish agreed, but still has to abide by the governing rules of the league.

 

The only gripe the owner that was out of town can have is with the commish for failing to remember to do the favor, however, it is completely wrong for the commish to bypass the rules of the league for this. The commish made a personal fauk pas and the only recourse would be for the commish to apologize to the owner, but to break the rules is definitely not okay.

[Cunning Runt]

I'll have to disagree.

 

The owner that went out of town essentially asked the commish ot act as his agent in terms of running his team. Commish agreed, but still has to abide by the governing rules of the league.

 

The only gripe the owner that was out of town can have is with the commish for failing to remember to do the favor, however, it is completely wrong for the commish to bypass the rules of the league for this. The commish made a personal fauk pas and the only recourse would be for the commish to apologize to the owner, but to break the rules is definitely not okay.

 

I'll agree to disagree but can do no better than that.

 

Did the guy have Chris Johnson in his lineup every other week except his bye week , which was last week? If so, that's all I'd need to know.

 

I don't believe that "Rules are Rules" and therefore we may never ever break them. I believe that "Rules are Rules" but with the caveat that common sense should overtrump the written rule if something happens along these lines. I think that's what you have here. I'm a longtime commish and run the league based on common sense first, then the written rule, not the other way around. The commish made a human error and did not fulfill a responsibility he agreed to take on. I'm thinking the guy that was playing against Johnson knows he should take the loss but is trying to hang his hat on the commish's human error to take a cheap and undeserved win.

[Big Country]

I'll agree to disagree but can do no better than that.

 

Did the guy have Chris Johnson in his lineup every other week except his bye week , which was last week? If so, that's all I'd need to know.

 

I don't believe that "Rules are Rules" and therefore we may never ever break them. I believe that "Rules are Rules" but with the caveat that common sense should overtrump the written rule if something happens along these lines. I think that's what you have here. I'm a longtime commish and run the league based on common sense first, then the written rule, not the other way around. The commish made a human error and did not fulfill a responsibility he agreed to take on. I'm thinking the guy that was playing against Johnson knows he should take the loss but is trying to hang his hat on the commish's human error to take a cheap and undeserved win.

 

Does this apply to all situations.

 

What if said owner was merely unavailable unexpectedly and did not change his lineup. Same scenario you state, that he has had Chris Johnson in every week up until last.

 

Should the owner then be allowed to retroactively insert Chris Johnson into his lineup because he had started him each week before then.

 

What if CJ was hurt on the first play and put up a goose egg. Should the owner be forced to start him, because he had done so every week prior, and probably would have had he set a lineup?

 

You are walking on a beyond slippery slope with the argument you are presenting here.