Start / Bench list

[MustOfBeenDrunk]

I'm sure it has been asked and answered in the past.

 

Is the Start / Bench list geared to PPR or Non PPR ?

I have looked over the page I do not see a reference one way or another.

On the Player Projections page there is a feature to rank either way but

I do not see anything like that for the Start / Bench

[STL Fan]

I'm sure it has been asked and answered in the past.

 

Is the Start / Bench list geared to PPR or Non PPR ?

I have looked over the page I do not see a reference one way or another.

On the Player Projections page there is a feature to rank either way but

I do not see anything like that for the Start / Bench

This is a good question. A side question - What percentage of leagues now are PPR? I only play in one, but others are looking at it.

[DMD]

I do not write the Start Bench list but I know of the guy and I would bet you that he would say that it is really neither and really both. It grades players out to just 4 categories and that considers the relative value against other players in that position. Figure that most wideouts will have around 13 to 15 yards per catch and those players with a higher volume of catches may be in the 11 to 13 range. In a game, the difference would only be one or two catches at most between two wideouts with the same yardage and scores. That's really, really getting too refined if your biggest starting decision between two players is that one of them may have one more catch at the same level of production.

 

Also consider that those players with the higher number of catches - Welker, Steve Smith, Wayne, Fitzgeramd, Moss, Andre Johnson - are all automatic starts anyway.

[WashingtonD]

I do not write the Start Bench list but I know of the guy and I would bet you that he would say that it is really neither and really both. It grades players out to just 4 categories and that considers the relative value against other players in that position. Figure that most wideouts will have around 13 to 15 yards per catch and those players with a higher volume of catches may be in the 11 to 13 range. In a game, the difference would only be one or two catches at most between two wideouts with the same yardage and scores. That's really, really getting too refined if your biggest starting decision between two players is that one of them may have one more catch at the same level of production.

 

Also consider that those players with the higher number of catches - Welker, Steve Smith, Wayne, Fitzgeramd, Moss, Andre Johnson - are all automatic starts anyway.

 

 

Makes sense when you are talking about WRs...I completely agree...where it gets more complicated for me is assessing the player value and start and sit decisions in full PPR leagues for RBs...where there is a definite change in valuation on players who are and who are NOT involved in the passing game. Tim Hightower is a good example of this, a guy who is scoring 39 more points in PPR (over 5.5 more a game)

[MustOfBeenDrunk]

I do not write the Start Bench list but I know of the guy and I would bet you that he would say that it is really neither and really both. It grades players out to just 4 categories and that considers the relative value against other players in that position. Figure that most wideouts will have around 13 to 15 yards per catch and those players with a higher volume of catches may be in the 11 to 13 range. In a game, the difference would only be one or two catches at most between two wideouts with the same yardage and scores. That's really, really getting too refined if your biggest starting decision between two players is that one of them may have one more catch at the same level of production.

 

Also consider that those players with the higher number of catches - Welker, Steve Smith, Wayne, Fitzgeramd, Moss, Andre Johnson - are all automatic starts anyway.

 

 

Most weeks I guess it wouldn't matter to much but sometimes it could be hugh

 

Ricky Williams is one of those players that moves WAY up in PPR leagues

I could see him being a Bench player in non PPR but as high as a S2 in a PPR

[HowboutthemCowboys]

This is a good question. A side question - What percentage of leagues now are PPR? I only play in one, but others are looking at it.

4 of the 5 I'm in are PPR and I tried my damndest to get the other to go that way. no dice.

[Avernus]

one of the players that is affected largely in PPR as of late in Ray Rice...but the receptions would bring his numbers up another 5 or so points which wouldn't be the difference in S1 or S2 unless the matchup was lucrative...

 

plus when you take the average of yards per catch for a WR 10-15 yds.....RB's are about 5 yds on average with a max of 10 unless the play breaks down and they make a big play...

 

also...I only have one gripe with the Start/Bench list and that's the fact that Jason Avant has been misspelled since week 1...(it says jason Avent) and while this is a minor flaw, it apparently bugs the crap out of me when I see it....maybe I'm anal

[Avernus]

4 of the 5 I'm in are PPR and I tried my damndest to get the other to go that way. no dice.

 

PPR should be the standard....even if it's .5 per catch...

 

but I hate working in decimals for scoring...

[Seahawks21]

From what I have noticed over the years, it leans in the direction of PPR. In particular, Bobby Engram used to be recommended pretty highly for a guy that didn't get many yards or TD's. Running backs that catch a lot of passes also typically get projected higher than they would have if points weren't awarded for catches. I wouldn't say it is a straight translation, just more of a little bump in the projections.

[Scooby's Hubby]

the game projections guesstimate the number of catches, so review those predictions , as well. I use the sortable features

[detlef]

I've always found the value in both the predictions and Start/Bench was not the projected stats or S1-S3 but the rationale behind them. That's the knowledge. That and the fact that it simply comes down to how good the player is playing and how stout the defense is at limiting the kind of things he does. And those are the types of things written in the breakdown, which is why that's the part worth reading, not what amounts to a guess. Trying to get any more detailed than that is an exercise if futility. And relying too much on S1 vs S3 gets you in the kind of trouble that the guy who benched Brees for Hasslebeck because Hasslebek was a S1 and Brees was a S3.