Johnson Rods Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Background: Set up new league this year on MFL migrating from Fanball after 7 years. We use IDPs and players get 1 pt per tackle. I did send out an email after week 1 to all teams asking them to check their scores and make sure everything was scoring correctly. Mentioned I needed to add special teams TDs to offensive players and that I might have missed some other minor scoring situation. In our league bylaws we have a rule that goes over possible scoring errors: - Owners are responsible for verifying the scores and the legality of lineups of both their own team and their competition. Owners are responsible for notifying the commissioner of stat changes should they occur. - All scoring errors must be declared by the Friday following the games. After that, all scores are final, and all owners forfeit their right to claim a scoring error. - The league will use www.nfl.com/scores for all game statistics. So, Mondays nights game, Polamalu intercepts a pass and gets tackled by Brandon Marshall. The owner who has Marshall ends up losing the game by .5 pts. He checks ESPN and notices that he is credited with a tackle in the box score. On NFL.com, Marshall isn't listed in the main box score, but if you open up the Gamebook, Marshall gets credit for a tackle. Also if you watch highlights on NFL.com , you can clearly see that Marshall tackles Polamalu. I admit I missed including tackles for offensive players, but with it being the first year with MFL, I thought there might be a few scoring situations I missed setting up. If I let the tackle count (which I am leaning towards), both teams ae 3-6, both are still in the playoff hunt and tied for third place in their division. So any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugs3511 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Well, if you change that tackle, you will have to change any other player that made a tackle on an Int., special team, etc. for the whole year. That could change a lot of scoring..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The precedent is that no tackle by an offensive player was credited all year and you spelled out to check the scoring, so changing it now would not be the correct thing to do. Then address the issue in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Rods Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Thanks for the answers, I appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 If you've been scoring this for 7 years one way and the intent was to have all of the scoring be the same as it was under fanball, then I disagree with Big John and believe you need to make the change. I also discuss with the league about going back and changing this for all of the games this year. It will be a pain in the ass as commish, but it is the right thing to do. I understand that the precedent has been set, but many things go unnoticed until they affect the outcome of a game and I believe the intention, expecially if it has been done one way for 7 years, should outway anything else. We also moved to mfl from fanball this year and we had a similar issue come up because of a defensive TD that was longer than 100 yards, where one week it wasn't caught because it didn't affect the outcome, but the next week there was a 104 yard return, but the system was set up to only count returns of 0-100 yards. Clearly, the spirit of the rule was that all returns deserved to be counted, even thought the precedent was set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 If you've been scoring this for 7 years one way and the intent was to have all of the scoring be the same as it was under fanball, then I disagree with Big John and believe you need to make the change. I also discuss with the league about going back and changing this for all of the games this year. It will be a pain in the ass as commish, but it is the right thing to do. I understand that the precedent has been set, but many things go unnoticed until they affect the outcome of a game and I believe the intention, expecially if it has been done one way for 7 years, should outway anything else. We also moved to mfl from fanball this year and we had a similar issue come up because of a defensive TD that was longer than 100 yards, where one week it wasn't caught because it didn't affect the outcome, but the next week there was a 104 yard return, but the system was set up to only count returns of 0-100 yards. Clearly, the spirit of the rule was that all returns deserved to be counted, even thought the precedent was set. I agree and disagree. I agree that if you'd been doing it this way for the 7yrs prior, that should overrule what may or may not have happened this year. I disagree though that you should have to go back through every game. This one owner was sharp enough to have caught it and per your rules, brought it to your attention in the allowable time frame. The other owners apparently didn't do that or you might have caught this glitch sooner. Their loss in my estimation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Rods Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Again I appreciate all your opinions. Tough decision and either way I am going to have a pissed off owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I agree and disagree. I agree that if you'd been doing it this way for the 7yrs prior, that should overrule what may or may not have happened this year. I disagree though that you should have to go back through every game. This one owner was sharp enough to have caught it and per your rules, brought it to your attention in the allowable time frame. The other owners apparently didn't do that or you might have caught this glitch sooner. Their loss in my estimation. the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I agree and disagree. I agree that if you'd been doing it this way for the 7yrs prior, that should overrule what may or may not have happened this year. I disagree though that you should have to go back through every game. This one owner was sharp enough to have caught it and per your rules, brought it to your attention in the allowable time frame. The other owners apparently didn't do that or you might have caught this glitch sooner. Their loss in my estimation. Bingo. Your rules state that it is up to the owner to look for any scoring inaccuracies. If the other owners were not on-the-ball enough to look for this scoring adjustment, it is 100% their own loss. In regard to whether you should adjust the scoring for this season, you need to rely on precendence. If in past year's you did indeed credit offensive playerswith tackles after changes of possession, you need to do it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO Jaded Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The owner did exactly what you told him to do. Check his score and let you know if he saw any errors. It's not his fault that no other owner has noticed a missing tackle by an off. player this season. You should get the scoring rule in and change this week's game scores. I would not go and change any other weeks as no other owner had complained. Hopefully you have a caveat to yor rule that sets a time limit on error corrections.If not, then yes, another owner could request a similar change to an earlier game and I would support that change as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Rods Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Yes we had a rule which states that All scoring errors must be declared by the Friday following the games. After that, all scores are final, and all owners forfeit their right to claim a scoring error. Thanks for all the advice. Lots of good opinions to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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