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Big Ernie McCracken
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Hey keggerz,

here is where you listed Portis as top 10 which you have obviously lied about for a couple of months.

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=293282

 

Hopefully you'll man up and respond, but I doubt it. You are losing more and more credibility :wacko:

I am right here but I am finishing up my article for this week so I will either respond much later tonite or tomm

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Hey keggerz,

here is where you listed Portis as top 10 which you have obviously lied about for a couple of months.

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=293282

 

Hopefully you'll man up and respond, but I doubt it. You are losing more and more credibility :wacko:

here I am not going to type it out again so just go read it here if you want.... http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=3024404

 

this will just result in the thread being locked and eventually deleted so that those that had Portis as a RB1 or RB2 (some of whom are associated with the Huddle) won't have to admit they were wrong. that's weak.

J you know you are out of line those Portis threads were deleted because BEM turned them into a cesspool of personal attacks(he just brings the best out of people)...I asked BJ to lock the last Portis thread so it wouldnt get deleted but evidently another moderator read it and felt the personal stuff had already crossed the line....there was a TON of research that I posted in those 3 threads...much of it that I mined and only put in those threads so now much of that research is gone for good

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here I am not going to type it out again so just go read it here if you want.... http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=3024404

 

 

J you know you are out of line those Portis threads were deleted because BEM turned them into a cesspool of personal attacks(he just brings the best out of people)...I asked BJ to lock the last Portis thread so it wouldnt get deleted but evidently another moderator read it and felt the personal stuff had already crossed the line....there was a TON of research that I posted in those 3 threads...much of it that I mined and only put in those threads so now much of that research is gone for good

I just happened to save a snippet of that research.

 

 

Since the merger:

There have been 93 seasons where a RB was both 28+ yo and started the season with 2000+ carries (that includes 4 seasons that were started just shy of 2000: Tiki Barber, 1890 career carries - Ricky Watters, 1947 career carries - Warrick Dunn, 1970 career carries, Franco Harris 1953 career carries)...I included those 4 since they were so close to 2000 carries and all 3 had significant catches up to that point in their careers that I thought they were close enough to include)...

 

Of those 93 seasons 38 of them the RB that was 28+ with 2000+ carries had 225+ carries

Of those 38 seasons 28 of them look to have been top 12ish in nature

That would be 74%

Clinton Portis is currently on pace for 288 carries....the reason I referenced the 225+ carries because that shows the RBs that were still pretty much the focus of the teams running game, which is what Portis is.

 

 

What I will do is list the players name and the total career carries at the start of the 1st season I list(some have multiple seasons)

Here they are(remember 28+ yo AND 2000+ carries)

 

Name/Carries to start 1st season listed

Emmit Smith:2595

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1332/13

Total Yards/TDs 1507/15

Age 30

Rush Yards/TDs 1397/11

Total Yards/TDs 1516/13

 

Walter Payton:2352

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1421/6

Total Yards/TDs 2028/8

Age 30

Rush Yards/TDs 1684/11

Total Yards/TDs 2052/11

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1551/9

Total Yards/TDs 2034/11

Age 32

Rush Yards/TDs 1333/8

Total Yards/TDs 1715/11

 

Barry Sanders:2077

Age 28

Rush Yards/TDs 1553/11

Total Yards/TDs 1700/11

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 2053/11

Total Yards/TDs 2358/14

Age 30

Rush Yards/TDs 1491/4

Total Yards/TDs 1780/4

 

Curtis Martin:2010

Age 28

Rush Yards/TDs 1513/10

Total Yards/TDs 1833/10

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1094/7

Total Yards/TDs 1456/7

Age 30

Rush Yards/TDs 1308/2

Total Yards/TDs 1570/2

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1697/12

Total Yards/TDs 1942/14

 

Jerome Bettis:2106

Age 28

Rush Yards/TDs 1341/8

Total Yards/TDs 1438/8

 

Eric Dickerson: 2136

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1311/7

Total Yards/TDs 1522/8

 

Tony Dorsett:2136

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1307/7

Total Yards/TDs 1756/10

 

Jim Brown: 2070

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1544/17

Total Yards/TDs 1872/21

 

Edge James: 2188

Age 28

Rush Yards/TDs 1159/6

Total Yards/TDs 1376/6

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1222/7

Total Yards/TDs 1426/7

 

Franco Harris: 1953

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1186/11

Total Yards/TDs 1477/12

 

LaDanian Tomlinson: 2050

Age 28

Rush Yards/TDs 1474/15

Total Yards/TDs 1949/18

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1110/11

Total Yards/TDs 1536/12

 

John Riggins: 2038

Age 34

Rush Yards/TDs 1347/24

Total Yards/TDs 1376/24

Age 35

Rush Yards/TDs 1239/14

Total Yards/TDs 1282/14

 

Warrick Dunn: 1970

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1140/4

Total Yards/TDs 1310/5

 

Ricky Watters 2272

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1242/7

Total Yards/TDs 1855/9

 

Tiki Barber 1890

Age 31

Rush Yards/TDs 1662/5

Total Yards/TDs 2127/5

 

Eddie George 2078

Age 29

Rush Yards/TDs 1165/12

Total Yards/TDs 1420/14

 

Of the above 28 performances each one saw the RB put up a total of 1300+ yards except for one season and that total was 1282 with 14 TDs...what was said in the earlier threads was that Portis was done because of his age and 2000+ touches....well the above shows that of all RBs over age 28 with 2000+ carries that carry the ball at least 225 times put up 1300+ combined yards 74% of the time....I havent done it yet and not sure if I will or need too but I would be shocked if a hugh majority of those performances above arent in the top 12 or extremely close.

 

 

 

 

 

and fwiw Portis ranks 28th all time in career carries and yards...when you are good enough to play that long(amount of carries and yards) then of course it would make sense that the players you are looking at are HOFers or borderline....look at the top 28 in carries and yards and it makes sense to look at those guys with regards to portis...now if we were talking about a 28+ yo RB that had never had a 1000 yd season or carried the ball more than 500 times in their career then you would be right that it would be foolish to be saying well these guys(HOFers and borderliners) were able to be successful at 28+ years of age and we can't even use the carries analogy because to get that many carries you have to be damn good.

 

Top 28 all time in carries(+ = HOF, and as you can see there are some that will end up in the HOF and many of the others are borderline):

Rank/Name/Carries

1. Emmitt Smith 4,409

2. Walter Payton+ 3,838

3. Curtis Martin 3,518

4. Jerome Bettis 3,479

5. Barry Sanders+ 3,062

6. Marcus Allen+ 3,022

7. Edgerrin James (30) 2,999

8. Eric Dickerson+ 2,996

9. Franco Harris+ 2,949

10. Tony Dorsett+ 2,936

11. John Riggins+ 2,916

12. Thurman Thomas+ 2,877

13. Eddie George 2,865

14. Marshall Faulk 2,836

15. LaDainian Tomlinson (29) 2,670

16. Warrick Dunn (33) 2,669

17. Ricky Watters 2,622

18. Corey Dillon 2,618

19. Ottis Anderson 2,562

20. Fred Taylor (32) 2,466

21. Jamal Lewis (29) 2,424

22. O.J. Simpson+ 2,404

23. Jim Brown+ 2,359

24. Tiki Barber 2,217

25. Shaun Alexander (31) 2,187

Earl Campbell+ 2,187

27. Terry Allen 2,152

28. Clinton Portis (27) 2,099(thru 3 weeks)

 

Top 28 All Time Rushing Yards

(+=HOF)

Rank/Name/Rushing Yards

1. Emmitt Smith 18,355

2. Walter Payton+ 16,726

3. Barry Sanders+ 15,269

4. Curtis Martin 14,101

5. Jerome Bettis 13,662

6. Eric Dickerson+ 13,259

7. Tony Dorsett+ 12,739

8. Jim Brown+ 12,312

9. Marshall Faulk 12,279

10. Marcus Allen+ 12,243

11. Edgerrin James 12,164

12. Franco Harris+ 12,120

13. Thurman Thomas+ 12,074

14. LaDainian Tomlinson 11,815

15. Fred Taylor 11,447

16. John Riggins+ 11,352

17. Corey Dillon 11,241

18. O.J. Simpson+ 11,236

19. Warrick Dunn 10,967

20. Ricky Watters 10,643

21. Tiki Barber 10,449

22. Eddie George 10,441

23. Ottis Anderson 10,273

24. Jamal Lewis 10,202

25. Joe Perry+ 9,723

26. Shaun Alexander (31) 9,453

27. Earl Campbell+ 9,407

28. Clinton Portis 9,385 (Thru 3 weeks)

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...........so what's that prove?........-that Portis is having a good year and was worth an early draft pick?

 

 

Steve,

i too am upset the threads were deleted because the context of the debate was lost, leaving people with only a hazy recolection of an article title that was written in april.

 

in the previous thread(s) i stated it did'nt matter to me if portis lost touches to RBBC, injury, or poor team play....-he just was'nt worth a high pick to me and i thought his ADP was inflated.

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Is this like the stupid posts that people post yelling at the huddle for havinga RB ranked a certain way preseason and then getting upset when they dont magically fall into their pre-determined slot at the end of the year?

 

'cause it sure sounds like like with BEM and hook giving each other reach arounds over Clinton Portis . . . .

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...........so what's that prove?........-that Portis is having a good year and was worth an early draft pick?

 

 

Steve,

i too am upset the threads were deleted because the context of the debate was lost, leaving people with only a hazy recolection of an article title that was written in april.

 

in the previous thread(s) i stated it did'nt matter to me if portis lost touches to RBBC, injury, or poor team play....-he just was'nt worth a high pick to me and i thought his ADP was inflated.

it proved prior to the season that you should discount portis due to age or carries...nothing more and nothing less....I know what side of the debate you got in on but that was after BEM changed gears for like the 10,000th time....I never as far as I can recall presented in those debates where or how I thought Portis would rank...the one thing that I regret was that when a thread got bumped during the season was to point out that portis was indeed a RB2 up til those particular weeks....and even if portis was still playing right now and ranked #1 overall I would still have regretted doing that because that isnt my MO.

 

Edit: and I think TBimm posted that to show that some of my research was still around...for which I am happy about

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it proved prior to the season that you should discount portis due to age or carries...nothing more and nothing less....I know what side of the debate you got in on but that was after BEM changed gears for like the 10,000th time....I never as far as I can recall presented in those debates where or how I thought Portis would rank...the one thing that I regret was that when a thread got bumped during the season was to point out that portis was indeed a RB2 up til those particular weeks....and even if portis was still playing right now and ranked #1 overall I would still have regretted doing that because that isnt my MO.

 

Edit: and I think TBimm posted that to show that some of my research was still around...for which I am happy about

 

 

exactly. your intent, (by posting those stats), was to show Portis could still be productive...myself (and BEM) disagreed. i don't think it was a bold prediction to suggest Portis might decline this year after years of wear and tear. He was physically falling apart the 2nd half of last year, do you recall?? the real argument was about productiion,(as proven by the stats you provided for your position) not about losing touches to Betts (which he clearly is doing now)

 

as i just said it did'nt matter to me if he loses touches due to RBBC, injury, poor team play or any other reason...i just did'nt think he was worth a high draft pick or his Huddle rank, or his ADP. i did'nt feel he would be a RB1 or RB2 and i took alot of flack for it.

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not about losing touches to Betts (which he clearly is doing now)

now that is weak...ALL the talk about him losing touches prior to the season starting was due to RBBC stuff....not due to him suffering an injury...Portis was NOT losing touches to Betts and saying he is now because of the injury is well, weak

 

fwiw, I never gave you any flack on your stance on portis....at least not that I can remember

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now that is weak...ALL the talk about him losing touches prior to the season starting was due to RBBC stuff....not due to him suffering an injury...Portis was NOT losing touches to Betts and saying he is now because of the injury is well, weak

 

fwiw, I never gave you any flack on your stance on portis....at least not that I can remember

did you read the rest??? clearly you were presenting an argument that Portis could still be productive. obviously your not going to admit you thought he was a 1st round pick, but clearly you are making support for your argument that he would produce.

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now that is weak...ALL the talk about him losing touches prior to the season starting was due to RBBC stuff....not due to him suffering an injury...Portis was NOT losing touches to Betts and saying he is now because of the injury is well, weak

 

fwiw, I never gave you any flack on your stance on portis....at least not that I can remember

 

I wonder when and if you will respond to your total denial of ranking Portis an RB1 when here,

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=293282

you list him as top 10. Dude, save some face, act like a man and admit you're (or "your" if I was Tbimm) wrong and move on. You must realize that other than your (or you're if I was Tbimm) minions, anyone who reads these posts carefully will see that you have contradicted yourself repeatedly.

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why is this so important to both of you ?

 

I remember i needed to always be right one time in my life but that when i was in the 2nd grade ...

 

Apparently it only appears important to Hook and ladder and I :wacko:

And FWIW, learn how to form a sentence; "but that when I was in 2nd grade" :D

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Apparently it only appears important to Hook and ladder and I :wacko:

And FWIW, learn how to form a sentence; "but that when I was in 2nd grade" :D

 

1. You need a comma after "Apparently".

2. "Hook and ladder" should be hooknladder. He doesn't capiitalize his name, and thus, neither should you. You also spelled it incorrectly.

3. Instead of an emoticon, you need a period at the end of the statement to form a sentence.

4. Instead of a semi-colon, you need a period after (of all words) sentence.

 

Kinda funny since the brunt of your post was about the proper formation of sentences.

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1. You need a comma after "Apparently".

2. "Hook and ladder" should be hooknladder. He doesn't capiitalize his name, and thus, neither should you. You also spelled it incorrectly.

3. Instead of an emoticon, you need a period at the end of the statement to form a sentence.

4. Instead of a semi-colon, you need a period after (of all words) sentence.

 

Kinda funny since the brunt of your post was about the proper formation of sentences.

 

 

Tell me more about Ray Rice's shortcomings as a solid fantasy RB :wacko:

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?show...hl=rice+mcgahee

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