jaxfactor Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 for next year. My only Yahoo league I've been in for years is a local. One guy's uncle is the commish. Now this guy still had Ronnie Brown in his lineup even until this morning. I had been checking the lineups fearing something like this might happen. So this afternoon I find that his lineup has been changed. Ronnie Brown is now out and L. Betts is in. Points-wise it doesn't matter. But the principle is that this dude cheated. I know his uncle and I don't believe his uncle did the changing. In fact this change was made right before he made a bunch of free agent moves. I believe that the uncle had given his nephew the password for emergency purposes and the nephew abused it. I was thinking of cutting down from 6 leagues next year so this makes my decision easier. I don't play with cheaters and won't tolerate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Not cool no matter how you slice it, but changing the lineup 3 days after the game is over seems pretty blatant - no other owners in the league have caught on to this? Sorry to hear you're stuck playing things out in a league such as this, but I think your decision is (as you stated) pretty simple as to what to do for the future ... difficult for me to see how someone could care about what's supposed to be a game so much as to cheat at all, let alone in such an obvious manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 for next year. My only Yahoo league I've been in for years is a local. One guy's uncle is the commish. Now this guy still had Ronnie Brown in his lineup even until this morning. I had been checking the lineups fearing something like this might happen. So this afternoon I find that his lineup has been changed. Ronnie Brown is now out and L. Betts is in. Points-wise it doesn't matter. But the principle is that this dude cheated. I know his uncle and I don't believe his uncle did the changing. In fact this change was made right before he made a bunch of free agent moves. I believe that the uncle had given his nephew the password for emergency purposes and the nephew abused it. I was thinking of cutting down from 6 leagues next year so this makes my decision easier. I don't play with cheaters and won't tolerate it. Should be easy to prove. All transactions in our league, even lineup changes, are time stamped. Find out when the lineup was changed and by whom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I'm in a similar situation ,, this here is a dynasty league ,, bottom team gets 1st pick in the rookie draft and the team that is goining to win because the other team started two RB's not playing is in a playoff race Masters of Karate and FriendshipPlayer Pts Palmer, Carson CIN QB 23.00 Turner, Michael ATL RB 0.00 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 0.00 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR 7.60 Smith, Steve CAR WR 21.70 Miller, Heath PIT TE 22.50 Kasay, John CAR PK 11.10 Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC Def 5.00 Total: 90.90 Players Yet To Play: 0 Players Currently Playing: 1 Player Minutes Remaining: 59:13 Smoke and MirrorsPlayer Pts Manning, Peyton IND QB 18.80 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 14.60 Snelling, Jason ATL RB 23.90 Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 17.70 Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR 2.00 Winslow, Kellen TBB TE 7.90 Rackers, Neil ARI PK 3.00 Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def 10.00 Total: 97.90 Players Yet To Play: 0 Players Currently Playing: 1 Player Minutes Remaining: 59:13 edit to bold the cheating move Edited November 23, 2009 by MustOfBeenDrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 Should be easy to prove. All transactions in our league, even lineup changes, are time stamped. Find out when the lineup was changed and by whom. Yes, it is time-stamped. But it says that the commish made the change. This is where I said I don't think the commish actually did it. The nephew probably logged on as his uncle(the commish). Bogus whoever did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 In fact this change was made right before he made a bunch of free agent moves. I believe that the uncle had given his nephew the password for emergency purposes and the nephew abused it. proof? serioius doubt doesn't cut it here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm in a similar situation ,, this here is a dynasty league ,, bottom team gets 1st pick in the rookie draft and the team that is goining to win because the other team started two RB's not playing is in a playoff race Masters of Karate and FriendshipPlayer Pts Palmer, Carson CIN QB 23.00 Turner, Michael ATL RB 0.00 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 0.00 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR 7.60 Smith, Steve CAR WR 21.70 Miller, Heath PIT TE 22.50 Kasay, John CAR PK 11.10 Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC Def 5.00 Total: 90.90 Players Yet To Play: 0 Players Currently Playing: 1 Player Minutes Remaining: 59:13 Smoke and MirrorsPlayer Pts Manning, Peyton IND QB 18.80 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 14.60 Snelling, Jason ATL RB 23.90 Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 17.70 Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR 2.00 Winslow, Kellen TBB TE 7.90 Rackers, Neil ARI PK 3.00 Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def 10.00 Total: 97.90 Players Yet To Play: 0 Players Currently Playing: 1 Player Minutes Remaining: 59:13 edit to bold the cheating move Why is this cheating? Do your rules say that owners can not start players that are out/injured/on bye? When you play in a dynasty league by definition you are always looking to the future, especially if your current year is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff321 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Intentionally throwing a game is considered by most people to be cheating. It's tough to prove collusion in these instances because people are lazy, but it's very annoying when you're the one fighting for your playoff life and the other team is given a win. I could understand a GTD in a late game but these players were pretty much ruled out this week the second they sustained the injuries last week. Edited November 23, 2009 by griff321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yes, it is time-stamped. But it says that the commish made the change. This is where I said I don't think the commish actually did it. The nephew probably logged on as his uncle(the commish). Bogus whoever did it. Then it's tiem to send a private email to the commish and ask him if he made the changes. If he did, then why? If not, deal-breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 We have a guy trying to go for a better pick in our dynasty league next year so he sat Brady and started Quinn... He also started T.O. after weeks of not playing him... Karma is a biatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ark Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 We have a guy trying to go for a better pick in our dynasty league next year so he sat Brady and started Quinn... He also started T.O. after weeks of not playing him... Karma is a biatch Probably the only guy who started Quinn He got more than he asked for ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Intentionally throwing a game is considered by most people to be cheating. It's tough to prove collusion in these instances because people are lazy, but it's very annoying when you're the one fighting for your playoff life and the other team is given a win. I could understand a GTD in a late game but these players were pretty much ruled out this week the second they sustained the injuries last week. It does not matter what 'most people consider to be cheating' ... what matters is what the rules say. If the rules do not prohibit a team from attempting bettering its position next year (the nature of dynasty leagues) by starting players that are off or injured then it is not cheating. Just because YOU believe it is wrong does not make it cheating. This has nothing to do with collusion ... the team that started the off/hurt players was trying to improve his position in next years draft - who did he collude with, himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It does not matter what 'most people consider to be cheating' ... what matters is what the rules say. If the rules do not prohibit a team from attempting bettering its position next year (the nature of dynasty leagues) by starting players that are off or injured then it is not cheating. Just because YOU believe it is wrong does not make it cheating. This has nothing to do with collusion ... the team that started the off/hurt players was trying to improve his position in next years draft - who did he collude with, himself? I don't want to hijack someone else thread but yes our rules state that each owner must start a competitive line up each week. For each infraction there is a $15.00 fine. so in this case the team in question gets $30.00 in fines but the messed up part of it is by losing this week it almost grantees that his buddy makes it into the playoffs not to mention that for a $30.00 fine he also gets a very good chance of getting the 1st pick in the rookie draft ( this is a high dollar league $650.00 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I don't want to hijack someone else thread but yes our rules state that each owner must start a competitive line up each week. For each infraction there is a $15.00 fine. so in this case the team in question gets $30.00 in fines but the messed up part of it is by losing this week it almost grantees that his buddy makes it into the playoffs not to mention that for a $30.00 fine he also gets a very good chance of getting the 1st pick in the rookie draft ( this is a high dollar league $650.00 ) First off I think a rule that states 'an owner must start a competitive line up each week' is inane. Who gets to define what is "competitive"? Additionally I have on occassion made the decision that I did not want to cut a player from my roster in order to acquire a TE for a single week - I don't think this is an invalid or bad strategy. So ... one owner made an assessment that it was worth $30 in penalties to improve his position for next year - by definition when you are in a dynasty league teams out of the running this year will seek to improve their position on next year. So you have a rule in place that says $15 per fine ... he paid his fine so the situation should be resolved to everybody's satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 First off I think a rule that states 'an owner must start a competitive line up each week' is inane. Who gets to define what is "competitive"? Additionally I have on occassion made the decision that I did not want to cut a player from my roster in order to acquire a TE for a single week - I don't think this is an invalid or bad strategy. So ... one owner made an assessment that it was worth $30 in penalties to improve his position for next year - by definition when you are in a dynasty league teams out of the running this year will seek to improve their position on next year. So you have a rule in place that says $15 per fine ... he paid his fine so the situation should be resolved to everybody's satisfaction. I'm not going to argue whether they are insane or not ,, the question was "is there a rule" - yes there is. therefore every owner should play by them. We have already came up with a resolution but cant put ti into place until next year. 2.6 Starting Lineup 1) The starting lineup for all teams is: 1-QB, 1-RB, 2-WR, 1-TE, 1-Flex (RB or WR), 1-D/SpT, 1-K 2.7 Starting Lineup Infractions 1) It is the sole responsibility of every owner to submit a competitive lineup every week of the season. Any owner submitting a starting lineup with players who are inactive for any reason—players on bye, suspension, or their NFL team’s I.R. list—will be fined $15 per weekly Lineup Infraction. 2) Fines will be deducted from a team’s deposit fee and added to the Payout pool. A team must repay these fees with their next year’s League Dues. If a team exceeds $45 in fines in one season the League Office will review the matter and the appropriate course of action. The team will also be required to pay the deposit fees immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) This should stop this from happening in the future - copied from another dynasty I'm in and excepted by this league to be added next year a) The three teams with the lowest victory point totals will be slotted in the top 3 draft positions in descending order of total points scored, with the team with the most total point scored during the regular season slotted first. The remaining teams will be slotted in inverse order to their regular season Victory Points total (teams with lower victory point totals will be slotted first) . Edited November 23, 2009 by MustOfBeenDrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm not going to argue whether they are insane or not ,, the question was "is there a rule" - yes there is. therefore every owner should play by them. We have already came up with a resolution but cant put ti into place until next year. 2.6 Starting Lineup 1) The starting lineup for all teams is: 1-QB, 1-RB, 2-WR, 1-TE, 1-Flex (RB or WR), 1-D/SpT, 1-K 2.7 Starting Lineup Infractions 1) It is the sole responsibility of every owner to submit a competitive lineup every week of the season. Any owner submitting a starting lineup with players who are inactive for any reason—players on bye, suspension, or their NFL team’s I.R. list—will be fined $15 per weekly Lineup Infraction. 2) Fines will be deducted from a team’s deposit fee and added to the Payout pool. A team must repay these fees with their next year’s League Dues. If a team exceeds $45 in fines in one season the League Office will review the matter and the appropriate course of action. The team will also be required to pay the deposit fees immediately. Are the bolded items the only fineable offenses? Your first part of the rule states "inactive for any reason", but then you list very particular situations. AFAIK, Turner and Westbrook do not qualify as being on bye, suspended or on IR, they were simply out. Also, not knowing your lineup submission deadlines, what about GTDs? Or, even worse, the healthy scratch? Tough pill to swallow to pay $15 because the team scratches a guy for being late to the game or something. I guess what I am getting at is you may want to eliminate either the list of causes, or, provide a specific list of causes that trigger the fine. Just some thoughts from an outsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Are the bolded items the only fineable offenses? Your first part of the rule states "inactive for any reason", but then you list very particular situations. AFAIK, Turner and Westbrook do not qualify as being on bye, suspended or on IR, they were simply out. Also, not knowing your lineup submission deadlines, what about GTDs? Or, even worse, the healthy scratch? Tough pill to swallow to pay $15 because the team scratches a guy for being late to the game or something. I guess what I am getting at is you may want to eliminate either the list of causes, or, provide a specific list of causes that trigger the fine. Just some thoughts from an outsider. it's in general and understood that a player listed Saturday night as out will be an infraction, this is a 14 team dynasty league with 13 origional owners dating back to 2001 the owner in question is new as of this year and the league as a whole is giving him a pass but also letting him know that if at anytime for the rest of the season (2 games left) he has a player listed out as of the Saturday night ,, the commish will set his line up. I think we have it under control. As you can imagine with a league that has lasted this long with all the same owners we have had our share of problems but always seem to get them worked out. FYI - the one owner that was replaced was the commish and so the new commish is doing his best to handle all situations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) it's in general and understood that a player listed Saturday night as out will be an infraction, this is a 14 team dynasty league with 13 origional owners dating back to 2001 the owner in question is new as of this year and the league as a whole is giving him a pass but also letting him know that if at anytime for the rest of the season (2 games left) he has a player listed out as of the Saturday night ,, the commish will set his line up. I think we have it under control. As you can imagine with a league that has lasted this long with all the same owners we have had our share of problems but always seem to get them worked out. FYI - the one owner that was replaced was the commish and so the new commish is doing his best to handle all situations Really? The commissioner will set his lineup? Wow. What if his opponent that week is the commissioner? What if his opponent that week that it would be advantagous to the commissioner if that team won? Allowing the commissioner to manage somebody else's team opens the door to lots of problems. What if the owner had no other running backs on his roster ... would the commissioner make free agent pick ups for him too? [ETA] BTW very dangerous to have rules that are 'understood' but not documented. Edited November 23, 2009 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Really? The commissioner will set his lineup? Wow. What if his opponent that week is the commissioner? What if his opponent that week that it would be advantagous to the commissioner if that team won? Allowing the commissioner to manage somebody else's team opens the door to lots of problems. What if the owner had no other running backs on his roster ... would the commissioner make free agent pick ups for him too? [ETA] BTW very dangerous to have rules that are 'understood' but not documented. I can guarantee you ,, this commish is as fair as anyone you know. The rest of the league feels the same or we wouldn't of voted him in office. He is a stand up guy and wouldn't ever play any games like you are suggesting. Besides it's a back up plan in case the owner starts a player listed as OUT and has another player available. If you knew him you would trust him with your life. He commished our first league back when all stats were taken from the news paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chodan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 money league? if it is and if you played him this week and lost id go apepoopy..haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chodan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 poopy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chodan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 poopy lol..wth.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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