Jastrmerel Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 99.8-99.75. Had to have this game, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 What did the kneel down count as? 0, -1 or +1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 What did the kneel down count as? 0, -1 or +1? I assume -1 rush yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way the NFL should count kneel downs as rushing yards. It's flat stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way the NFL should count kneel downs as rushing yards. It's flat stupid. Nor should they count the DeMarcus Ware Sack on Eli at the end of the game yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) I lost on the third to last play, when Woodson ran Heap out of bounds. He was credited a tackle Edited December 8, 2009 by kpholmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I lost on the third to last play, when Woodson ran Heap out of bounds. He was credited a tackle force outs are counted as tackles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 force outs are counted as tackles? I didn't think so until now, maybe Woodson pushed him out? I was up .3, gave a sigh of relief when Heap ran out of bounds before Woodson could tackle him, then Woodson was credited with another tackle. From NFL.com: 3-14-GB 49 (:43) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 86-T.Heap ran ob at GB 38 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson). Is that a tackle by MFL standards? Big John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I didn't think so until now, maybe Woodson pushed him out?I was up .3, gave a sigh of relief when Heap ran out of bounds before Woodson could tackle him, then Woodson was credited with another tackle. From NFL.com: 3-14-GB 49 (:43) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 86-T.Heap ran ob at GB 38 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson). Is that a tackle by MFL standards? Big John? stat corrections come out on thursdays. i don't know if you'd be allowed to protest it, but i check stat corrections all the time and the most common corrections seem to involve number of tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Is that a tackle by MFL standards? Big John? Force outs are usually considered tackles as the player was not able to advance from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way the NFL should count kneel downs as rushing yards. It's flat stupid. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way the NFL should count kneel downs as rushing yards. It's flat stupid.Are ball spikes considered incomplete passes? I believe they do. I understand where you are coming from and agree with the logic, but I think it still has to count as -1 yards as the ball spot moves backwards and the clock continues to run just as a rushing play. For a ball spike, it counts as a incomplete as a receiver didn't catch it and the clock stops. Yes it sucks for fantasy players like Jastrmerel's opponent that may lose on such a play, but the NFL doesn't really care a whole lot about an individual stat like that affecting fantasy players. I'm sure every QB that gets the -1 yard much rather would have a win credited to them then the yard they lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Are ball spikes considered incomplete passes? I believe they do. I understand where you are coming from and agree with the logic, but I think it still has to count as -1 yards as the ball spot moves backwards and the clock continues to run just as a rushing play. For a ball spike, it counts as a incomplete as a receiver didn't catch it and the clock stops. Yes it sucks for fantasy players like Jastrmerel's opponent that may lose on such a play, but the NFL doesn't really care a whole lot about an individual stat like that affecting fantasy players. I'm sure every QB that gets the -1 yard much rather would have a win credited to them then the yard they lose. exactly. You need to make it cut and dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) Are ball spikes considered incomplete passes? I believe they do. I understand where you are coming from and agree with the logic, but I think it still has to count as -1 yards as the ball spot moves backwards and the clock continues to run just as a rushing play. For a ball spike, it counts as a incomplete as a receiver didn't catch it and the clock stops. Yes it sucks for fantasy players like Jastrmerel's opponent that may lose on such a play, but the NFL doesn't really care a whole lot about an individual stat like that affecting fantasy players. I'm sure every QB that gets the -1 yard much rather would have a win credited to them then the yard they lose. yet it is NOT intentional grounding and honetsly it doesn't get much more intentional than that. edit: not sure I have ever seen a QB credited with -2 yards but could swear that there are times they take the knee 2 yards deep (when they do that little stutter step then kneel) Edited December 8, 2009 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 yet it is NOT intentional grounding and honetsly it doesn't get much more intentional than that. I've often wondered that myself. You're in the pocket, the ball doesn't cross the line of scrimmage and is not thrown in the direction of an eligible receiver. Aren't those the primary criteria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 yet it is NOT intentional grounding and honetsly it doesn't get much more intentional than that. They have a rule that it is intentional grounding only if the passer is trying to avoid a sack rather than trying to stop the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) I've often wondered that myself. You're in the pocket, the ball doesn't cross the line of scrimmage and is not thrown in the direction of an eligible receiver. Aren't those the primary criteria? Yep edit: unless it has something to do with avoiding a loss of yardage? can check the rule book later tonite when I get home Edited December 8, 2009 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbrake Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Why not count the kneel down as a sack or a tackle ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Why not count the kneel down as a sack or a tackle ?. A kneel down is not a sack since there was never an intention to pass the ball on that play. And no tackle to a defensive player as the QB knelt to give up and say he is down where he kneels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posty Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Tackles are an unofficial stat anyway, so why count it in fantasy IMO... http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/spo...l.141e71c8.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way the NFL should count kneel downs as rushing yards. It's flat stupid. I thought it was the difference between fantasy football and real football. A clear instance where the two collide. Just like the spike being an incomplete pass. In both instances it is the QB that is hurt statistically. THAT is what is called taking one for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonkis Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I didn't think so until now, maybe Woodson pushed him out?I was up .3, gave a sigh of relief when Heap ran out of bounds before Woodson could tackle him, then Woodson was credited with another tackle. From NFL.com: 3-14-GB 49 (:43) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 86-T.Heap ran ob at GB 38 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson). Is that a tackle by MFL standards? Big John? If they reverse that I lose... Tackles are an unofficial stat anyway, so why count it in fantasy IMO... http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/spo...l.141e71c8.html I love the IDP in fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I didn't think so until now, maybe Woodson pushed him out?I was up .3, gave a sigh of relief when Heap ran out of bounds before Woodson could tackle him, then Woodson was credited with another tackle. From NFL.com: 3-14-GB 49 (:43) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 86-T.Heap ran ob at GB 38 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson). Is that a tackle by MFL standards? Big John? I know I was credited with a Dunta Robinson tackle a few weeks ago when he forced Chris Johnson (I think) out of bounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 a tackle CAN be awarded to a player if the ball carrier goes out of bounds to avoid being tackled by said player....but as has been said above, tackles are an UNofficial stat and thus scoring is a bit arbitrary at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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