dmarc117 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...ron-turner.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Sacrificial lamb, and surely not enough to fix the mess. Also, about 4 seasons too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 There is a real shocker . . But it would be better to get rid of Angelo and Lovie too . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) The article references a cold relationship between Jay Cutler and Ron Turner. I know all about Cutler showing up for college at Illinois, only to find out that coach Ron Turner had rescinded the offer. Of course, the two said all the right things about that being in the past. Did they continue to have a poor relationship this past season in Chicago? Edited January 5, 2010 by electricrelish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Regardless of the issues that Cutler may have with being immature and arrogant, anyone with one eye open could see that he was at his best in Denver when he was given the latitude to move around, particularly rolling right out and making space. This really only showed up in the last two games of the year when it was too late. I don't understand why, having sold your soul for a franchise QB, you wouldn't play to his strengths instead of jamming him into a smaller box. Turner paid for this witlessness with his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Cutler needs to stop worrying about who is calling the plays and focus on making plays. The Bears traded away a lot for 26 INTs. Just goes to show that the QB (Orton) wasn't the problem. It's the line and lack of telent at the WR spot. Knox will be solid in another year or 2. Don't know if Hester will ever be a great WR, and Bennett.. I thought he was gonna excel this year but he let me down too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Yeah the OL stunk this year. Yeah Cutler should buck up. Yeah Forte's decline was a factor. But... watching Turner's offense is like watching paint dry. The defense, when healthy and playing well, and special teams (via Hester/Manning) have glossed over the inadequacies of the offense. Add the fact that quite a few integral skill position players on offense that left Chicago in recent years (Orton, TJones, Benson, Gage, Berrian) have had success elsewhere pretty easily makes the argument that Turner had to go. ETA: The paint dry comment was flippant. But watch tape of Turner's offense. Defenders are constantly running receiver's routes for them. Any adjustments in the struggling run game were non-existent or ineffective. Edited January 5, 2010 by kingfish247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Cutler needs to stop worrying about who is calling the plays and focus on making plays. The Bears traded away a lot for 26 INTs. Just goes to show that the QB (Orton) wasn't the problem. It's the line and lack of telent at the WR spot. Knox will be solid in another year or 2. Don't know if Hester will ever be a great WR, and Bennett.. I thought he was gonna excel this year but he let me down too. Knox was selected with the 5th rounder that Denver sent with Cutler. So everyone who talks about "the Cutler Trade" needs to realize it's in fact the Cutler & Knox for two 1sts and a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I agree with Ursa, if you sell the farm for a QB, why not use him to make the most of his talents? Cutler is much better when he is on the move. Becuase he can also run with the ball, that helps keep a defender in in case Cutler tucks and runs. Turner seems to be one of those guys who doesn't adjust his game plans to take advantage of the player's talent sets, he tries to shove players into the offense that he wants to run. Cutler just isnt at his best as a pocket passer. He makes mistakes from the pocket. The guy is just more comfortable and a better QB when he has some space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It's official. Turner and 5 other coaches gone. Lovie will wear one hat as they will be hiring a Def. Coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It's official. Turner and 5 other coaches gone. Lovie will wear one hat as they will be hiring a Def. Coordinator. Arent they just promoting Rod Marinelli to def coordinator??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Arent they just promoting Rod Marinelli to def coordinator??? Philips said "We're hiring a NEW Defensive Coordinatior" (his words). I think they are leaving their options open and I'm sure Marinelli will be one of the interviewee's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Live feed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Philips said "We're hiring a NEW Defensive Coordinatior" (his words). I think they are leaving their options open and I'm sure Marinelli will be one of the interviewee's. Betcha 5 bucks Marinielli is the new def coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) I listened to a good part of the news conference, and it was a pitiful dog and pony show. Funny thing, they say they want drastic changes on both sides of the ball, but they want to hire a defensive coordinator who will "embrace Lovie Smith's defensive philosophy." How is that changing anything? Turner was the scapegoat as we all suspected. Angelo has swung and missed on too many high draft picks. Most teams would have shoved him out the door by now. The Bears say their decisions to keep Lovie and Jerry have nothing to do with money. What is the message here? They admit they are all at fault and the status quo is unacceptable. They throw out the offensive assistant coaches and call that drastic change. And Ted Phillips said he conferred with Virginia Halas McCaskey and...drumroll please...Michael McCaskey about the major decisions. I knew it! That sniveling little s.o.b. is still helping call the shots! With the exception of Al Davis and whoever owns the Lions, no owner in his/her right mind would continue to put up with this crap. I'm adopting an AFC team. I've had enough. Edited January 5, 2010 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Betcha 5 bucks Marinielli is the new def coordinator. Five buck says Mike Martz is the new OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Here is the list of Chicago's 2010 opponents. Anybody see a winning record here? Home: Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots, New York Jets Away: Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins I see 5-11 at best. Edited January 5, 2010 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Here is the list of Chicago's 2010 opponents. Anybody see a winning record here? Home: Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots, New York Jets Away: Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins I see 5-11 at best. With the Lions still bad, a 4-2 or 3-3 division record is very doable. They could probably beat Washington, Seattle, Giants, Panthers and Bills right now. Miami seems tough to pin down. I see Dallas, Philly, NE and the Jets as the easiest ones to peg as losses. So no, 5-11is well below what they'll do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I'm adopting an AFC team. I've had enough. Never. I'd never desert them however much of a laughing stock they are. Nor will you, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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