Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Now that McNabb is a Redskin, would the NFL make a new rule and throw out the rule that says the division winner automatically gets into the playoffs? The NFC East will be too difficult so it looks like AZ can have another 9-7 year and still make the playoffs, or maybe Seattle gets in at 8-8... Who gets left out...the NYG, Skins, Cowboys or Eagles? Will any of them be worse than 9-7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 The Skins are still a charlie foxtrot until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 The Skins are still the last place team in the NFC East division, but could contend for first in the West with McNabb...I think alignment is necessary since both expansions...isn't Carolina closer to the rest of the NFC East than Dallas and Dallas closer to NO than Carolina? Isn't Dallas just as close or closer to AZ than St. Louis? The NFC could stand to be re-aligned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 The Skins are still the last place team in the NFC East division, but could contend for first in the West with McNabb...I think alignment is necessary since both expansions...isn't Carolina closer to the rest of the NFC East than Dallas and Dallas closer to NO than Carolina? Isn't Dallas just as close or closer to AZ than St. Louis? The NFC could stand to be re-aligned... Tradition played a part of the last realignment plans with the Cowboys' main rivals being the Redskins, Eagles and Giants so they stayed in the East with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 I know, I know...please tell that to all the 5th graders out there who never knew...it is outdated, however I hate the Skins , NYGs and the Eagles for that reason, but pretty much don't like anyone but the Cowboys anyway. The 2 divisions who use this excuse to stay intact are all of the original NFC teams. The North finally got rid of Tampa and the East got rid of AZ (StL), so tradition could have been created and kept there, so you can kinda throw out tradition as the age old excuse. The real excuse is that the owners of the older teams know that they are the biggest markets and moneymakers and they want it all for themselves. They are the ones spending all the money all the time (think of the payroll in WASH, DAL, NYG, CHI, MINN) because they are the ones with "tradition". Tradition can be created anytime if you can unlatch the greedy owners of the "original and older"teams who taut tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Can't just add Tampa like that as an example. That had to do with 4 teams per division than anything else, where it was 5 before. Had they kept Tampa and moved one of the original 4, then it would definitely need to be redone. I'm not sure realignement is needed as those rivalries are huge. Or take it a step further throw AZ out of the west and put the Raiders there. Other than the Lions, no team stays at the bottom for long, and if I remember correctly there was quite a few diff teams winning the divisions every year and making the playoffs. Basically you're just asking for a weaker division for your team to try to make sure they make the playoffs every year. Had you brought it up solely on geographical issues, then there would be a different perspective on the issue. Personally, I like the tradition and rivalries. Why mess with it just to make it easier for the Boys? Then again, there's no garuntee the Boys would win the division no matter how you realigned it. At least now you can say because a tough division, what's the excuse when you can't win a so called weak division? Edited April 5, 2010 by Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 I know, I know...please tell that to all the 5th graders out there who never knew...it is outdated, however I hate the Skins , NYGs and the Eagles for that reason, but pretty much don't like anyone but the Cowboys anyway. The 2 divisions who use this excuse to stay intact are all of the original NFC teams. The North finally got rid of Tampa and the East got rid of AZ (StL), so tradition could have been created and kept there, so you can kinda throw out tradition as the age old excuse. The real excuse is that the owners of the older teams know that they are the biggest markets and moneymakers and they want it all for themselves. They are the ones spending all the money all the time (think of the payroll in WASH, DAL, NYG, CHI, MINN) because they are the ones with "tradition". Tradition can be created anytime if you can unlatch the greedy owners of the "original and older"teams who taut tradition. I knew there had to be a reason I didn't like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) I knew there had to be a reason I didn't like you. The boys would actually be in a harder division if they traded with Carolina...LOL Just shedding light on the theory that the NFC East is by far the hardest division year in and year out...more money spent by the owners b/c they have kept their division the same while everyone else (except part of the NFC North) has been pooled with small market teams. Revenues in the NFC East must be the biggest of any division on a per team basis. Edited April 5, 2010 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Can't just add Tampa like that as an example. That had to do with 4 teams per division than anything else, where it was 5 before. Had they kept Tampa and moved one of the original 4, then it would definitely need to be redone. I'm not sure realignement is needed as those rivalries are huge. Or take it a step further throw AZ out of the west and put the Raiders there. Other than the Lions, no team stays at the bottom for long, and if I remember correctly there was quite a few diff teams winning the divisions every year and making the playoffs. Basically you're just asking for a weaker division for your team to try to make sure they make the playoffs every year. Had you brought it up solely on geographical issues, then there would be a different perspective on the issue. Personally, I like the tradition and rivalries. Why mess with it just to make it easier for the Boys? Then again, there's no garuntee the Boys would win the division no matter how you realigned it. At least now you can say because a tough division, what's the excuse when you can't win a so called weak division? how many more NFC teams is Dallas closer to than Philly or NYG? Like almost all of them but Seattle and San Fran (who are already in the same division...) So that is logistics and competition of money and markets, as stated in earlier post Edited April 5, 2010 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 The boys would actually be in a harder division if they traded with Carolina...LOL Just shedding light on the theory that the NFC East is by far the hardest division year in and year out...more money spent by the owners b/c they have kept their division the same while everyone else (except part of the NFC North) has been pooled with small market teams. Revenues in the NFC East must be the biggest of any division on a per team basis. Are you aware there's a salary cap (until this year) so revenues are (were) irrelevant? Also, if there's anyone who is going to take advantage of the lack of said cap, it's your own scumbag owner / team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Meh, the divisions are fine. Move a team to LA, then you'll need to realign, and even then that's only a maybe...if they moved Jax I could see them keeping that in the 'south' as in southwest...Payton coming to LA once a year for the next decade would be a solid gate draw they would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 Meh, the divisions are fine. Move a team to LA, then you'll need to realign, and even then that's only a maybe...if they moved Jax I could see them keeping that in the 'south' as in southwest...Payton coming to LA once a year for the next decade would be a solid gate draw they would want. I am all for a team in LA and San Antonio before London or anywhere else...football is by far the national past time now and they should ride it. Too bad Calli is broke or we mighta had a team in LA by now. Of course, they would have to out-do Jerry World, and that $1.2 Billion for starters. Scumbag or not, that's alot of coin and my original point is that the NFC East is the only division where every owner has that kind of coin. Too powerful to be all in one division and not logistically sensable either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) I am all for a team in LA and San Antonio before London or anywhere else...football is by far the national past time now and they should ride it. Too bad Calli is broke or we mighta had a team in LA by now. Of course, they would have to out-do Jerry World, and that $1.2 Billion for starters. Scumbag or not, that's alot of coin and my original point is that the NFC East is the only division where every owner has that kind of coin. Too powerful to be all in one division and not logistically sensable either. without even checking the owner of every team I think you severely underestimate how much all the owners in the NFL are worth(ie: the coin they have)...and you cant even say well the NFCE spends more because the Eagles are pretty conservative with their contracts....oh yeah and there is that salary cap thing too edit: i found the following but it was in a thread from 2008 but still worth looking at: In the top 10: NFCE 2 NFCS 2 AFCE 2 AFCN 2 NFCW 1 AFCS 1 NFCW 1. Paul Allen, Seattle Seahawks Net worth: $16.8 billion NFCS 2. Malcolm Glazer, Tampa Bay Bucs Net worth: $2.5 billion AFCE 3. Wayne Huizenga, Miami Dolphins Net Worth: $2.5 billion AFCN 4. Randolph Lerner, Cleveland Browns Net Worth: $1.6 billion AFCS 5. Robert McNair, Houston Texans Net Worth: $1.5 billion NFCS 6. Arthur Blank, Atlanta Falcons Net Worth: $1.5 billion NFCE 7. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys Net Worth: $1.5 billion AFCE 8. Robert Kraft, New England Patriots Net Worth: $1.4 billion AFCN 9. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens Net Worth: $1.3 billion NFCE 10. Daniel Snyder , Washington Redskins Net Worth: $1 billion Edited April 5, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 without even checking the owner of every team I think you severely underestimate how much all the owners in the NFL are worth(ie: the coin they have)...and you cant even say well the NFCE spends more because the Eagles are pretty conservative with their contracts....oh yeah and there is that salary cap thing too This reminds me of the Animal House quote: "Germans ?"..... "Let him go, he's rolling" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 here is a current article http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11599/11599 will take me a bit of time to compile the list but I will try to 1. NFCW Paul Allen SEA 2. AFCE Stephen Ross MIA 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) without even checking the owner of every team I think you severely underestimate how much all the owners in the NFL are worth(ie: the coin they have)...and you cant even say well the NFCE spends more because the Eagles are pretty conservative with their contracts....oh yeah and there is that salary cap thing too edit: i found the following but it was in a thread from 2008 but still worth looking at: In the top 10: NFCE 2 NFCS 2 AFCE 2 AFCN 2 NFCW 1 AFCS 1 NFCW 1. Paul Allen, Seattle Seahawks Net worth: $16.8 billion NFCS 2. Malcolm Glazer, Tampa Bay Bucs Net worth: $2.5 billion AFCE 3. Wayne Huizenga, Miami Dolphins Net Worth: $2.5 billion AFCN 4. Randolph Lerner, Cleveland Browns Net Worth: $1.6 billion AFCS 5. Robert McNair, Houston Texans Net Worth: $1.5 billion NFCS 6. Arthur Blank, Atlanta Falcons Net Worth: $1.5 billion NFCE 7. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys Net Worth: $1.5 billion AFCE 8. Robert Kraft, New England Patriots Net Worth: $1.4 billion AFCN 9. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens Net Worth: $1.3 billion NFCE 10. Daniel Snyder , Washington Redskins Net Worth: $1 billion You are confused...I am talking about what they SPEND ONFOOTBALL, not what their oil company or software co makes...what they spend on their football team, marketing, stadium, payroll, etc. ALSO what their football home MARKET IS WORTH...obviously seattle's owner is the richest b/c of microsoft, but he is not outspending anyone in the NFC East and his market is not worth as much as any team in the NFC EAST. I hope that clears things up b/c I know what the owners are worth, but that does not translate to what they spend on their football team or how much their home market is worth or the fact that Dallas is nowhere near NY compared to how close they are to New Orleans, Atlanta, St. Louis etc. Hope this helps you understand my point instead of spinning my words. Edited April 5, 2010 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 here is a current article http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11599/11599 will take me a bit of time to compile the list but I will try to 1. NFCW Paul Allen SEA 2. AFCE Stephen Ross MIA 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. What does this have to do with logistics, money spent out of pocket by owners on stadiums, payroll...market value of the team....If this article translated you would be saying that Seattle's payroll is 10 times that of Dallas' b/c the owner is ten times more wealthy, which we know is not true b/c Jerry's team is worth more, his stadium is worth more, his team sells more herseys, the TV ratings blow Paul Allan's team away....se you are missing my point...I dont car what the owners make in the other indeavors, BUT WHAT THEY SPEND to be competitive in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 It would be cool if Dallas fans could easily go to a divisional game "rivalry" that was near Texas (like New Orleans) instead the farthest away places like New York. Surely that is understandable from a logistics point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 What does this have to do with logistics, money spent out of pocket by owners on stadiums, payroll...market value of the team....If this article translated you would be saying that Seattle's payroll is 10 times that of Dallas' b/c the owner is ten times more wealthy, which we know is not true b/c Jerry's team is worth more, his stadium is worth more, his team sells more herseys, the TV ratings blow Paul Allan's team away....se you are missing my point...I dont car what the owners make in the other indeavors, BUT WHAT THEY SPEND to be competitive in the NFL. You do realize that the Cowboys, the team you are bragging about spending their way to the top, just won their first playoff game in over a decade, right ? You do also realize that the NFC East has had ONE Super Bowl champion in the past 14 years ? You do realize that this is the same conference that you are saying is too good to be in the same division with one another, right ? If you are going to argue that they need to be moved due to geographical location, I can listen to that. However, to continue to claim that they are more successful than other divisions is a silly argument that is disproved quite easily with actual results, statistics, facts, and anything other than living in a fantasy world. The NFL has a salary cap, this isn't MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 It would be cool if Dallas fans could easily go to a divisional game "rivalry" that was near Texas (like New Orleans) instead the farthest away places like New York. Surely that is understandable from a logistics point of view. This, I can agree with. I do think some of the geographical locations of divisions are silly, and would be o.k. with them re-aligning for that purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) You are confused...I am talking about what they SPEND ONFOOTBALL, not what their oil company or software co makes...what they spend on their football team, marketing, stadium, payroll, etc. ALSO what their football home MARKET IS WORTH...obviously seattle's owner is the richest b/c of microsoft, but he is not outspending anyone in the NFC East and his market is not worth as much as any team in the NFC EAST. I hope that clears things up b/c I know what the owners are worth, but that does not translate to what they spend on their football team or how much their home market is worth or the fact that Dallas is nowhere near NY compared to how close they are to New Orleans, Atlanta, St. Louis etc. Hope this helps you understand my point instead of spinning my words. Ummmm On the "football" side of things there is a salary cap...I don't know why you think Paul Allen isn't spending...the hawks have a newer stadium then the Skins as just one example and seriously how much of their own money do you really think these owners use to build stadiums etc...just because Jerrah or Danny Boy make "big" FA purchases doesn't change the fact that there is a salary cap and what these guys are worth/make with their oil companies etc does allow for them to pour money into their teams if and when it is needed...Don't confuse the NFL with MLB and how individual teams are affected by the market they are in...People in Dallas aren't buying any extra tickets because they are in the NFCE instead of the AFCS....I get that you are bitter for being in the NFCE for what ever reasons you may have but the boys arent in the NFCE because of the market the other 3 teams they play...and honestly I don't really understand your point because it seems pretty to me (outside of the geographical argument) Edited April 5, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 This, I can agree with. I do think some of the geographical locations of divisions are silly, and would be o.k. with them re-aligning for that purpose. +1 but I also have no problem with it as is due to rivalries/history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 This, I can agree with. I do think some of the geographical locations of divisions are silly, and would be o.k. with them re-aligning for that purpose. The only reason they are still in the same old division is b/c of money and TV markets and fan base...which division has more avid fans of each team within? None. The NFL makes more money out of that division than any other division. All the other divsions have been re-aligned but this one, with the exception of booting out at the time, lowly Arizona. Which division dominated the 80's and 90's (San Francisco had it made in their division then, no compettition). The NFC East beats up on each other twice a year per team. No other division comes close to the competitiveness of its fans, owners and players along with this "tradition" and market value of each team. Which division upset both the Patriots perfect run and New Orleans perfect run? Leave it up to the NFC East to be competitive. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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