D.Williams and J.Stewart

[Big Ernie McCracken]

Assuming Stewart's injuries are cleaned up and he can start running in June his tandem with Williams will represent a potential bounty of fantasy points with what on paper appears to be a slightly easier schedule, a healthy offensive line, and no more Delhomme to snuff out drives. Early rankings have Williams generally in the top 15 and Stewart somewhere 20 or lower. I look at both as RB2 candidates. Assuming health for both I think it's safe to assume both will eclipse 200 carries and both will be somewhat involved in the passing game. Stewart had 10 td's in 2008 and 11 in 2009. Williams has hit double digit td's only once (albeit in a very big way) but totalled only 14 in in three other seasons combined. This will potentially be the first time we see a 100% healthy Stewart to start the season (apparently last season he only expected to be able to play a handful of games before succumbing to what was looming as an inevitable achilles problem). I had both last year and Stewart helped bring my team to the promised land, so temper all of my statements with the fact that I have man love Stewart. I'm of the opinion at this point that if health is not an issue in training camp and preseason Stewart may be the safer pick of the two and probably has the most upside of the two. He has great vision and an incredible combination of power and balance. Williams is incredible as well but has not produced consistently and his production hasn't capped Stewarts value in either of his first two seasons anyway. For me I want an RB2 I can count on for 10+ td's and some decent yardage with potential for much more and right now Stewart seems closer to that than Williams.

Edited May 26, 2010 by Big Ernie McCracken

[tazinib1]

**Runs through thread naked**

 

 

"WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!"

[bpwallace49]

There is plenty of time for Jstew to pick up another nagging injury before training camp that will limit him all season . . .

[tazinib1]

There is plenty of time for Jstew to pick up another nagging injury before training camp that will limit him all season . . .

 

 

quick...

 

How many games has Stew missed in 2 seasons?

[bpwallace49]

quick...

 

How many games has Stew missed in 2 seasons?

 

They are never enough to completely put him out of games, just hinder his overall effectiveness. Kinda like Brandon Jacobs a couple years ago. You never knew when one of his injuries would act up and limit his carries halfway through a game.

 

Plus Fox doesnt mind going with the healthy hot hand and benching someone. I was at the Packers/Carolina game a few years back. Jstew fumbled on the first series, and was benched. Dwill had 4 TDs . . . .

[Big John]

Plus Fox doesnt mind going with the healthy hot hand and benching someone. I was at the Packers/Carolina game a few years back. Jstew fumbled on the first series, and was benched. Dwill had 4 TDs . . . .

2008

[tazinib1]

I'm actually pretty excited for Stew this year. His January surgery was designed to remove a bone spur pressing into his Achilles tendon while also alleviating bursitis and tendonitis by shaving away excess calcium deposits and cleaning out his bursa sacs. The dude has an amazing pain thresh-hold and while this recent surgery may limit him at first, expect great numbers this year. No doubt about it.

 

Oh yeah...he's still only 23 and riding on the coat-tails of an aging DeWill (27). His time is coming fast. Now, if the Panthers decide to franchise tag DeWill in 2011, I'm gonna a tad upset that Stew won't get the bulk of the work. As much as I love Ryan Mathews, I was screaming for Stew to go to San Diego 2 years ago. I guess I got the best of both worlds. Yes, I'm a HUGH Mathews fan as well. Go figure.

[tazinib1]

They are never enough to completely put him out of games, just hinder his overall effectiveness. Kinda like Brandon Jacobs a couple years ago. You never knew when one of his injuries would act up and limit his carries halfway through a game.

 

Plus Fox doesnt mind going with the healthy hot hand and benching someone. I was at the Packers/Carolina game a few years back. Jstew fumbled on the first series, and was benched. Dwill had 4 TDs . . . .

 

You brought that up last year as well. It was his rookie season...get over it butt munch.

[bpwallace49]

You brought that up last year as well. It was his rookie season...get over it butt munch.

 

the man love for jstew is strong with this one . . ..

[degenerate]

i love stew's value this year compared to dwill's for what i expect to be similar production this year (barring injury)

[tazinib1]

i love stew's value this year compared to dwill's for what i expect to be similar production this year (barring injury)

 

Agreed but I still don't get the perception that "injury" has effected Stew's production. The dude has played through high pain and still produced excellent numbers while being limited in Fox's retarded senior system. Again, with the surgery to finally clean everything up, I expect Stew to surpass DeWill in carries and overall production by years end. We might have to wait 1 more year for Stews breakout season. And I'm fine with that...I'll still take Stew as a high RB #2 and a very strong potential #1 RB in Dynasty's.

[Ram Man]

Agreed but I still don't get the perception that "injury" has effected Stew's production. The dude has played through high pain and still produced excellent numbers while being limited in Fox's retarded senior system. Again, with the surgery to finally clean everything up, I expect Stew to surpass DeWill in carries and overall production by years end. We might have to wait 1 more year for Stews breakout season. And I'm fine with that...I'll still take Stew as a high RB #2 and a very strong potential #1 RB in Dynasty's.

 

Not to mention the fact that this is the NFL we're talking about. These guys (especially RBs) are always going to be banged up and hurt...its part of the game. But what counts is who stays on the field -----> JSTEW. I'd rather take JS in the 3rd round than DW in the 1st anyday. Better bang for my buck you might say.

[hooknladder]

i don't think there's any question you'll see JStew go before DWill despite the early rankings...and even more-so in a keeper.

[Whiskey Pimp]

Agreed but I still don't get the perception that "injury" has effected Stew's production. The dude has played through high pain and still produced excellent numbers while being limited in Fox's retarded senior system. Again, with the surgery to finally clean everything up, I expect Stew to surpass DeWill in carries and overall production by years end. We might have to wait 1 more year for Stews breakout season. And I'm fine with that...I'll still take Stew as a high RB #2 and a very strong potential #1 RB in Dynasty's.

 

I've hated this system for years going back to Stephen Davis and Deshaun Foster. Hopefully Fox is on enough of a hot seat now that he just plays the better back instead of what he's done in the past.

[darin3]

i don't think there's any question you'll see JStew go before DWill despite the early rankings...and even more-so in a keeper.

 

Also, what's the over/under on number of times taznib posts in this thread? I say 13.

[tazinib1]

 

Also, what's the over/under on number of times taznib posts in this thread? I say 13.

 

 

 

Trust me. I put my fingers in Chinese finger cuffs when I saw this thread but to no avail. My resistance is weak.

[Seahawks21]

One fact is seemingly overlooked a little bit in this thread....DeAngelo is still the better back. Even with the handful of nagging injuries last year, he still averaged 5.2 YPC. A hot start by DeAngelo could easily keep Stewart in his role as a backup for another year.

Edited May 27, 2010 by Seahawks21

[tazinib1]

One fact is seemingly overlooked a little bit in this thread....DeAngelo is still the better back. Even with the handful of nagging injuries last year, he still averaged 5.2 YPC. A hot start by DeAngelo could easily keep Stewart in his role as a backup for another year.

 

And Stewart had a 4.9 YPC. The better back? Cmon man really? 109yds more for the season than Stew but with 3 less total TD's? The better back? I've seen this argument from you before and I'll just leave it at that. Apparently you give Stew zero credit for playing the season with an injury that would have put most RB's in street clothes.

[Scooby's Hubby]

Stewart may be the better back (all around)...what is the contract situation for both? Will one be a free agent after this year? Eventually, you would think that both RBs will want a raise and then CAR will have to make a decision on one of these guys (if they can both stay healthy). I think the 2 RB system goes like this...have a good RB and draft a young guy you can get cheaper, then work them both and if the young guy proves himself, boot the original back and draft another cheap young guy and restart the process. I think the days of the Suan Alexander & Larry Johnson big contracts are over b/c it seems that once they get the big money they get hurt or performance deteriorates somehow.

[Square]

 

Trust me. I put my fingers in Chinese finger cuffs when I saw this thread but to no avail. My resistance is weak.

Taz just loves talking about Stew's bursa sac.

[Company of Heroes]

Would anyone consider grabbing them both as a RB1 and RB2 with your first picks? By owning the handcuff you lockup a lead RB on a running team even if one gets injured. Of course, the flip side is you are putting all your eggs in the CAR basket. If you grabbed DW in the first it may be a small reach to take JStew in the 2nd but...

 

But, I would guess the main reason neither are ranked higher is due to the presence of the other.

[Swampnuts]

I understand the love for Stewart, but I don't have a single doubt that DeAngelo is the better back. These two are a 1a / 1b option, and I think either one of them could step in and start on most teams outside of Minnesota.

 

DeAngelo is quicker, deceptively tough up the middle, a better receiver, a better wildcat back, and has produced like a number 1. Stewart has been limited by injuries, but produced hugh numbers when called upon. But anyone who thinks Stewart will overtake Williams ( without an injury ), is really reaching IMO.

 

These two are in their prime and I actually wish the Panthers would trade one of them for wideout help.

[hooknladder]

I understand the love for Stewart, but I don't have a single doubt that DeAngelo is the better back. These two are a 1a / 1b option, and I think either one of them could step in and start on most teams outside of Minnesota.

 

DeAngelo is quicker, deceptively tough up the middle, a better receiver, a better wildcat back, and has produced like a number 1. Stewart has been limited by injuries, but produced hugh numbers when called upon. But anyone who thinks Stewart will overtake Williams ( without an injury ), is really reaching IMO.

 

These two are in their prime and I actually wish the Panthers would trade one of them for wideout help.

 

i dunno. i keep thinking back to that Giants game...JStew looked MEAN.

[Swampnuts]

i dunno. i keep thinking back to that Giants game...JStew looked MEAN.

 

 

He's a great player, don't get me wrong. But Williams is the more complete player of the two IMO. Check out the stats from DeAngelos game against the Giants from the year before.

[tazinib1]

I guess there are DeWill nut-huggers as well. Who woulda thunk it. I guess I will just have to respectfully disagree with them. No worries. And I can just hear them now after Stew gains the featured back role..."Yeah well Stew didn't have to share carries...blah blah blah blah"...damn right he didn't.