Henry Muto Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I bought the Fantasy Index yesterday and here is something I found odd while looking at it last night. BFD site Louis Tranquilli is one of the "experts" ranking players If you have the book open up your fantasy index to page 41 Take a look at Tranquilli's rankings For his overall rankings he goes 1-Rodgers, 2-Brees, 3-CJ, 4-Peterson, 5-Ray Rice, 6-Andre Johnson (13-MDJ by the way) In any event now turn to pages 58/59 their mock draft Tranquilli has the 7th pick........he took Andre Johnson while Drew Brees will still on the board. So how does he have Brees ranked #2 overall and bypasses him with the #7 pick for the #6 ranked guy on his board ? How does he have Rodgers/Brees ranked 1-2 is beyond me. I am going to guess if he draws a top 2 pick in one of those high stakes leagues he plays in he is not passing up CJ, Peterson or Ray Rice for Rodgers or Brees. Ok now say he really does believe that Rodgers/Brees are the top 2 players in fantasy...well if that is the case how can you pass 1 of them up at the 7th pick ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 If Muto can't figure it out, how can we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 If Muto can't figure it out, how can we? Hahah classic! I dunno, maybe taking into account roster rules or scoring systems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 Why do I bother sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 When I draft I usually bypass a QB for a stud RB or WR. Although the QB may score more pts than the RB / WR I pick I can get those points back later when I draft a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I think the bigger question here is, why do you still buy fantasy books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Any rankings that have two QBs as the top two overall must be based on non-traditional scoring. The other caveat is that he may have passed on Brees to see how far Brees would fall. Mocks aren't always about building the best team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 (edited) Pretty simple rationale that makes a lot of sense, even if he does truly perceive Brees to be a higher value player than Andre Johnson. Can you figure out why? Hint: FBJ was heading down the path of enlightenment. Edited July 3, 2010 by Big Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 (edited) Draft strategy doesn't have to equal player rankings....heck even if you had 2 WRs ranked 24 and 25 there can be an argument for taking the 30th WR over them depending on the makeup of your team....just cause things are black and white(rankings) doesn't mean they are black and white (drafting)... I know I am pretty much on an island by myself with this stance but I don't like rankings at all...I don't think you can look past the makeup of your team and if you draft strictly by rankings that is what you are doing. Edited July 3, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Why do I bother sometimes. Hey, don't short yourself...it's not sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 (edited) I am just saying if a guy is out there promoting his web site and telling everyone he is great and you need to buy his site advice and listen to him and he will make you lots of money playing this game and then he does a mock draft for a magazine where millions will read it and he does not even stand by his own rankings then what does that make him look like as far as what he is telling you to do ? He ranks 2 QBs 1st and 2nd and then passes it. Why should I feel confidence in joining his site and listen to his advice when he can't even follow his own advise or he really doesn't believe in his own advise (thus bypassing his #2 ranked player) Whichever is true (and 1 of them has to be true) it makes me say I should not listen to this guys advice let alone pay for it. Sometimes you guys miss the point of what I am saying because I am the one saying it. Your more interested in mocking or making fun of the things I say instead of focusing on the real question I ask. Edited July 3, 2010 by Henry Muto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I am just saying if a guy is out there promoting his web site and telling everyone he is great and you need to buy his site advice and listen to him and he will make you lots of money playing this game and then he does a mock draft for a magazine where millions will read it and he does not even stand by his own rankings then what does that make him look like as far as what he is telling you to do ? He ranks 2 QBs 1st and 2nd and then passes it. Why should I feel confidence in joining his site and listen to his advice when he can't even follow his own advise or he really doesn't believe in his own advise (thus bypassing his #2 ranked player) Whichever is true (and 1 of them has to be true) it makes me say I should not listen to this guys advice let alone pay for it. Sometimes you guys miss the point of what I am saying because I am the one saying it. Your more interested in mocking or making fun of the things I say instead of focusing on the real question I ask. Henry according to your logic if his top two players ranked were available with his first two picks, then he should take them both, right? Sooo he should go QB/QB if the opportunity presented itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Henry according to your logic if his top two players ranked were available with his first two picks, then he should take them both, right? Sooo he should go QB/QB if the opportunity presented itself? I give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I am just saying if a guy is out there promoting his web site and telling everyone he is great and you need to buy his site advice and listen to him and he will make you lots of money playing this game and then he does a mock draft for a magazine where millions will read it and he does not even stand by his own rankings then what does that make him look like as far as what he is telling you to do ? He ranks 2 QBs 1st and 2nd and then passes it. Why should I feel confidence in joining his site and listen to his advice when he can't even follow his own advise or he really doesn't believe in his own advise (thus bypassing his #2 ranked player) Whichever is true (and 1 of them has to be true) it makes me say I should not listen to this guys advice let alone pay for it. Sometimes you guys miss the point of what I am saying because I am the one saying it. Your more interested in mocking or making fun of the things I say instead of focusing on the real question I ask. my answer was serious, no mocking at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 my answer was serious, no mocking at all I knew that keggerz you are 1 of the few that answer the questions. My bad for saying "everyone" because not everyone is the same here. From what you said I would agree with because you need to look within your tiers and that is why I really don't even make an overall ranking list I just make tiers and go into the drafts with that. But this guy ranked a player #2 overall and if that is the case he should be drafted at the 7th slot if still on the boad. Otherwise why even rank the players ? If your own personal #2 overall player can not be picked 7th slot then you should not be ranking him #2 overall. This is all I was getting it. End this thread now. Lock please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 End this thread now. Lock please! But if you lock the Muto, you lock the Universe, and nobody wants that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I knew that keggerz you are 1 of the few that answer the questions. My bad for saying "everyone" because not everyone is the same here. From what you said I would agree with because you need to look within your tiers and that is why I really don't even make an overall ranking list I just make tiers and go into the drafts with that. But this guy ranked a player #2 overall and if that is the case he should be drafted at the 7th slot if still on the boad. Otherwise why even rank the players ? If your own personal #2 overall player can not be picked 7th slot then you should not be ranking him #2 overall. This is all I was getting it. End this thread now. Lock please! not really...just because you rank a player at a spot doesn't mean other agree with you...he may have felt he could get his #1 player in round 2 or 3 while getting another (or couple) of highly ranked players that most likely wouldn't slide...and again...rankings have nothing to do with draft strategy...even if they are overall rankings...at least that is my opinion on it...a draft is a fluid thing and you need to be as fluid too be successful too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 not really...just because you rank a player at a spot doesn't mean other agree with you...he may have felt he could get his #1 player in round 2 or 3 while getting another (or couple) of highly ranked players that most likely wouldn't slide...and again...rankings have nothing to do with draft strategy...even if they are overall rankings...at least that is my opinion on it...a draft is a fluid thing and you need to be as fluid too be successful too Great post, Keg... Reminds me of my main local, because I know trends in that league well enough to pass on certain players when I just know they'll be there with my next pick. The flow of a draft really does force you to make decisions that can go against your overall rankings. That's why tiers are a hundred times better than rankings anyway. And Muto, I would say that mocks and rankings are two different tools that need not and should not be followed vehemently. In fact, if you always take the highest ranked player on your board (so long as it fills a position of need), you are probably making a mistake. Granted, it does seem strange when we're talking about your #2 ranked player being passed over at the 7th pick, because it's usually further into a draft where I'll see myself deviating from rankings frequently when the flow of the draft has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Pretty simple rationale that makes a lot of sense, even if he does truly perceive Brees to be a higher value player than Andre Johnson. Can you figure out why? Hint: FBJ was heading down the path of enlightenment. not really...just because you rank a player at a spot doesn't mean other agree with you...he may have felt he could get his #1 player in round 2 or 3 while getting another (or couple) of highly ranked players that most likely wouldn't slide...and again...rankings have nothing to do with draft strategy...even if they are overall rankings...at least that is my opinion on it...a draft is a fluid thing and you need to be as fluid too be successful too Great post, Keg... Reminds me of my main local, because I know trends in that league well enough to pass on certain players when I just know they'll be there with my next pick. The flow of a draft really does force you to make decisions that can go against your overall rankings. That's why tiers are a hundred times better than rankings anyway. And Muto, I would say that mocks and rankings are two different tools that need not and should not be followed vehemently. In fact, if you always take the highest ranked player on your board (so long as it fills a position of need), you are probably making a mistake. Granted, it does seem strange when we're talking about your #2 ranked player being passed over at the 7th pick, because it's usually further into a draft where I'll see myself deviating from rankings frequently when the flow of the draft has changed. A couple of posts that are pretty spot on with why there are a ton of logical reasons to pass over a higher ranked player for a lesser ranked one. It all comes down to total value and building the team that is going to outscore your opponents by the most. In the example given, so long as the guy drafting felt that the point differential from Johnson to whatever WR he would get a round or two later (or whenever he would wind up going WR) was greater than the differential of Brees and a QB he could get a round or two later (or whenever he ends up going QB), he made the smart move. (now, actual performance may eradicate the level of smartness perceived.) If he didn't believe this and felt the differential from Brees and a later QB was greater than Johnson and a later WR, then he made a fundamental error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Why do I bother sometimes. aw Muto ... you know that everyone likes to mess with you, it is just in fun. please, keep 'em coming and maybe throw a little sarcasm out there yourself. you are good for the forums, keep us posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 It all comes down to total value and building the team that is going to outscore your opponents by the most. ZONG!! aw Muto ... you know that everyone likes to mess with you, it is just in fun. please, keep 'em coming and maybe throw a little sarcasm out there yourself. you are good for the forums, keep us posted. +1 Henry let me tell you something. As much chit as you get on these forums, you've proved your stay here as you keep coming back. It's all part of the hazing...although your's has lasted abit longer than most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 why is Muto reading a book on Fantasy Football and not writing one himself?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 It makes sense to me ,, I have Alex Smith ranked as the 5th QB this year and no way in the world would I draft him this early in the year because I know he will still be there after 16 to 20 other QB's are taken. So I can grab him in the 14th round after I fill the rest of my roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I have Alex Smith ranked as the 5th QB this year... You didn't by chance purchase a cheat sheet from Balata or Yukon did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 You didn't by chance purchase a cheat sheet from Balata or Yukon did you? Have you become lord of the CAVE yet?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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