Avernus Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I can see your point if this were a mid to late round pick. But I see this time and again in the very early stages of a draft. For example, a league I just finished drafting saw a guy pick Drew Brees (1st) and Peyton Manning (2nd). I don't have to tell you how unbelievably dumb I think this is but then he goes on to say..Gonna trade one of my guys for a Top Tier WR. Ummmm...what? 12 team league you could have drafted a top tier WR. This is my point...just draft the top tier WR! Now everybody in the league is going to boycott all his offers hahahahahaha..idiot. When I see this occur in my drafts, I IMMEDIATELY charge said owner almost double in any trade. HE becomes the desperate one and I take full advantage. here's the thing though...your draft shouldn't revolve around your 1st 3 picks and anyone who drafts 2 QB's early is a moran unless you start 2 QB's...QB's just aren't coveted like a high priced RB due to the dropoff... if your team has nothing to offer outside your top 3 picks, then you're a lousy drafter and you probably didn't have much of a shot anyways.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 that's funny because he doesn't even start for his own team... All I was basically doing was presenting a substantial weight of evidence regarding Jamaal's ADP that you didn't even want to begin to digest because it contradicted an idea cemented in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 All I was basically doing was presenting a substantial weight of evidence regarding Jamaal's ADP that you didn't even want to begin to digest because it contradicted an idea cemented in your head. I don't care what the "consensus" is....you're grasping at straws by trying to tell me that my value of him is too low because "everyone else" is taking him in the 3rd... I could give a bushwacked what everyone else is doing.....if I miss out on him, I miss out on him....I'm sticking to my gameplan and will make changes as I see fit as I never head into a draft assuming that I will go one way or another unless I have one of the top 3 picks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) ...you're grasping at straws by trying to tell me that my value of him is too low Good Lord. I'm not arguing against where you value Charles. I'm saying that expecting him to go late 3rd to early 4th isn't practical in standard PPR leagues. If you really don't care what the "consensus" is and how you can use that in a strategy then so be it. That's the obvious disconnect. Edited August 28, 2010 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Good Lord. I'm not arguing against where you value Charles. I'm saying that expecting him to go late 3rd to early 4th isn't practical in standard PPR leagues. If you really don't care what the "consensus" is and how you can use that in a strategy then so be it. That's the obvious disconnect. I get what you're saying, I just don't know why you keep repeating it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Pilgrim Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Just drafted last night. 12 team PPR league. I had the 11th pick. Took Brees 1st round (after Rodgers), then Miles Austin on the turn (2nd pick in the 2nd round). Our 3rd round starts back at Team 12. So I ended up with the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. I drafted my first RB Jamaal Charles with the 26th pick overall. I don't know how much farther he would have fallen, but not very far, I suspect. I wanted P. Thomas instead, but he went 1 pick ahead of me. J Charles was the 14th RB taken. I'm hoping I got good value (DMD's rankings show I did), although I got a little worried last night when I got home and saw ESPN scrolling that Jamaal had left the game. It looks like he will be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I have a problem, a RB problem, I won't deny it and I cannot help it, for the 2nd year in a row I went RB/RB/RB...... I didn't plan to, I couldn't even believe I was clicking on another RB.... but a run of QB & WR made me do it - I couldn't help myself come on down AP, DeAngelo Williams and J Charles - let's do this! argghhhhhhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Conceptually I would do that if we could start 3 RBs ... but realistically I don't believe that the best value each time I draft would be a RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I have a problem, a RB problem, I won't deny it and I cannot help it, for the 2nd year in a row I went RB/RB/RB...... I didn't plan to, I couldn't even believe I was clicking on another RB.... but a run of QB & WR made me do it - I couldn't help myself come on down AP, DeAngelo Williams and J Charles - let's do this! argghhhhhhhhhhhhhh if there was such a strong run on QB and WR I wouldn't disagree with this, but would hope that a player from another position would be worth taking with that 3rd pick.... and it's not so much Charles being there in the 3rd as it was DWill being there in the 2nd that was crazy to me....I can't completely fault it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devi0us Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 No, no and no. I Agree...and just for diaper dirtz n giggles...no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 if there was such a strong run on QB and WR I wouldn't disagree with this, but would hope that a player from another position would be worth taking with that 3rd pick.... and it's not so much Charles being there in the 3rd as it was DWill being there in the 2nd that was crazy to me....I can't completely fault it.. Whenver I have picks 1,2,3 I always go RB/RB/RB, with that 2nd round pick most of the good WR's are gone(DJAX is left usually but not high on him) and with that early 3rd pick Charles is better than any WR your getting. With those 3 RB's your not going to need good WR's, they should carry you by themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Whenver I have picks 1,2,3 I always go RB/RB/RB, with that 2nd round pick most of the good WR's are gone(DJAX is left usually but not high on him) and with that early 3rd pick Charles is better than any WR your getting. With those 3 RB's your not going to need good WR's, they should carry you by themselves. are you talking about a league with flex positions? this is the only league where this holds true... I've done this once in a league where I only start 2 RB's, but I still drafted a strong team around those players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Whenver I have picks 1,2,3 I always go RB/RB/RB, with that 2nd round pick most of the good WR's are gone(DJAX is left usually but not high on him) and with that early 3rd pick Charles is better than any WR your getting. With those 3 RB's your not going to need good WR's, they should carry you by themselves. ya - that was my thought - I liked Charles better than any of the WR on the board in rd. 3 - the top tier 3 WR are all about the same IMO, I ended up with MSW, Bowe, L Evans and L Robinson- we shall see AV - I passed on DJAx, Colston & SSmith in the 3rd what can I say I have a soft spot for JC- especially in PPR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 ya - that was my thought - I liked Charles better than any of the WR on the board in rd. 3 - the top tier 3 WR are all about the same IMO, I ended up with MSW, Bowe, L Evans and L Robinson- we shall see AV - I passed on DJAx, Colston & SSmith in the 3rd what can I say I have a soft spot for JC- especially in PPR the thing is that after those 3 WR's, they really get depleted.....but I can see why you did what you did....and maybe go TE in the 4th and then do a run on WR's late.... but it's nice to have a top 10 WR that you can start rather than a Jamaal Charles sitting on your bench.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 wondering if you guys would draft 3 straight rb's(playing one at flex) if the value was there. I went Frank Gore/Ryan Grant in my first two rounds, and then wr's starting going off the board and Pierre Thomas fell to me in the 3rd so I took him to play at flex. The best WR left was Sims-Walker. Feel like i don't need good WR's with these guys. Would you do this? We'll see what happens as I just did this as well. Picked the same two RB's and just had to have Javid Best. Couldn't help myself because I think he's just absolutely going to explode this season. Still ended up with Ward, Maclin and 4-5 other receivers that could be serviceable. I probably should've taken Best in the 2nd (since I'm so high on the kid) and then WR in the 3rd. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 the thing is that after those 3 WR's, they really get depleted.....but I can see why you did what you did....and maybe go TE in the 4th and then do a run on WR's late.... but it's nice to have a top 10 WR that you can start rather than a Jamaal Charles sitting on your bench.... whoa kid - JC will be playing - we have a flex position. A bit of a gamble but who the fok knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 whoa kid - JC will be playing - we have a flex position. A bit of a gamble but who the fok knows ohh okay, not as much of a gamble if all 3 starts... I might like Charles' value over the WR's you mentioned anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I would never, ever do RB-RB-RB. If one goes down early (and trust me, one will) then you're left with 2 good RBs, which is fine, but you already have the worst WR corps in the league because you did go RB-RB-RB..... and your QB pick was not a guaranteed year-after-year Top-5 stud either. JUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I would never, ever do RB-RB-RB. If one goes down early (and trust me, one will) then you're left with 2 good RBs, which is fine, but you already have the worst WR corps in the league because you did go RB-RB-RB..... and your QB pick was not a guaranteed year-after-year Top-5 stud either. JUM in the one year I did go RB-RB-RB I ended up with Jennings and Colston at WR.... sometimes you just get lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Well, carry on then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Well, carry on then.... going RB-RB-RB is extremely risky and I only did so because I saw value at RB that I could not pass up....I could have been stupid/crazy but due to luck and nothing more than it at the time caused me to be crazy like a fox... I probably will never go RB-RB-RB again even in a flex league due to the depth at RB being so thin ever since that year but it's always good to make sure you have 2 quality RB's and then flesh out the rest of the roster...but that's always been my school of thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) I would never, ever do RB-RB-RB. If one goes down early (and trust me, one will) then you're left with 2 good RBs, which is fine, but you already have the worst WR corps in the league because you did go RB-RB-RB..... and your QB pick was not a guaranteed year-after-year Top-5 stud either. JUM Consider these two lineups WR: Jason Avant WR: Josh Cribbs RB: Ray Rice RB: Cedric Benson Flex: Adrian Peterson WR: Wes Welker WR: Vincent Jackson RB: Fred Jackson RB: Matt Forte Flex: Jamaal Charles which would you rather have, team A has stud rb's and crap WR's, team B is more of an all-around team. In reality, if you go by their stats from last year, these 2 teams scored pretty close to the same amount of fantasy points. That's why I don't know why it matters if you go RB/RB/RB or go for a more even lineup. If you go great rb's and bad wr's or for an even team, both ways work, and both ways will get you similar points, so going one way or the other doesn't give you an advantage, so if three runningbacks are the best players left when you pick them, then pick them. Edited September 1, 2010 by delfamdelfam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) Guy in my league went Gore, Mendenhall, Matthews from the 5 spot. I doubt he'd have gone RB again if Matthews hadn't fallen into his lap. ETA his final roster: QB: Cutler, Eli RB: Gore, Mendenhall, Matthews, M Bush WR: S Smith (CAR), Sims-Walker, Garcon, Evans, Britt TE: H Miller, Boss K: Longwell D : Saints Edited September 1, 2010 by myhousekey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 in the one year I did go RB-RB-RB I ended up with Jennings and Colston at WR.... sometimes you just get lucky werd - those rd 4,5,6 picks are a bit of an unknown if they are RB or WR last year I went RB/RB/RB and ended up withM. Austin and DJax - that turned out ok............ IMO it all comes down to gettng the best value pick regardless of position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkelly17 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 i went rb/rb/rb sjax...mendenhall...greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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