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Zooty
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What ever happened to sending out a starting offer? Why does every trade negotiation start with what do you want for...? Even if I already said I want a RB or a pick? Is everyone afraid of offering too much thinking maybe they can get a player for nothing?

 

I don't get it. Why not just send an offer? On top of it, I've noticed when asked this I sometimes reply with a fair offer which then either gets a-rejected or b- no response. So my thought was they were trying to get a player for nothing and unwilling to send an embarrassingly low offer.

 

/end rant

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What ever happened to sending out a starting offer? Why does every trade negotiation start with what do you want for...? Even if I already said I want a RB or a pick? Is everyone afraid of offering too much thinking maybe they can get a player for nothing?

Yep.

 

Trades are rare in the redraft and minor keepers I've been in. People want something for nothing.

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Zooty your post hit the nail on the head...I'm in a keeper league and already had a guy ask me what do you want for Ryan Grant..I say either a QB or another RB or draft picks...He says look his team over and get back with him...You called me and you want one of my guys...Needless to say I called him on it and said were all on to your ballsless trade tactics and he wound up quitting the league..Thank God! Make me an offer and I'm sure it might be a little low as that's what I do but it starts the process..You make a offer that's not offending but not to good to make him not question it and then usually by the counter offer you start to work the deal out...

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I always try to send what I think is a fair offer with my initial communication. I think a good trade is one that benefits both teams and I try to show the other owner some respect when I make an offer. The trade may not get done, but at least the other guy doesn't walk away thinking I feel he is an idiot, and it tends to keep the doors open down the line with future trades.

 

Of course, I act that way in real life, too. I don't haggle over things like car prices. I research, know what it costs the dealer, know what I'm willing to give them in profit - which they deserve - and will walk away if they try to highball me and prolong negotiations. I guess I just don't have a personality that makes me want to screw people over, and I'm certainly not willing to get screwed. Doesn't mean that some trades don't end up looking lopsided, but during the process that isn't the case.

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I never understood the no-offer process. I tend to run into three of these guys in the leagues.

 

1) Guy who doesn't trust his fantasy acumen enough to make an offer.

 

This guy is a lost cause because he's never going to make a deal unless it's a no-brainer. May eventually turn into a legit trader, but not likely.

 

2) Chronic counter-offer artists

 

You could give this guy the greatest deal in the world that makes great sense for both teams but he's gotta squeeze every last bit out of you. He'll never make the first offer because you might accept and he couldn't counter-offer it. These guys aren't as annoying as the first guys because they might actually send you something once in a while. But they are incredibly frustrating when you are a guy who leads with your best offer.

 

3) Firesale Fishermen

 

If you are selling, the player must be garbage right? Hell, if you are going to lowball me, the least you could do is actually make an offer.

 

 

 

As for me, how I approach trades depends on what I'm trying to accomplish. When I'm hellbent on improving a position and anyone of a handful of players will do, I'll lead with my best offer to multiple teams. When I'm targeting a specific player, I might lead with a decent to solid offer but give myself some wiggle room in case the other owner wants to haggle a bit. When owner sends out a notice that a player might be available, I may lead lead with a lowball to gauge the owner's value of the player before digging in to see if I want to proceed.

 

Regardless of how a player proceeds, I agree with Zooty that an offerless negotiation is a waste of time.

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Would you like to trade _____________ for _______________? I feel that this would be a deal that would be fair and benefit both of us. Please let me know if you also think that this deal is fair. If you think another deal would be more fair than the one I just proposed, let me know. Then I will give you a counter proposal to your counter proposal to see if that could be even more fair.

 

Feel free to cut and paste as you see fit.

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It depends on who you are dealing with. I've just been directed to this thread :wacko:

 

I've been rejected on "feeler" offers and have actually insulted the owner. I try to avoid that at all costs.

 

Trading is alittle like poker. You don't wanna give away your entire hand with the initial offer.

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Trading is alittle like poker. You don't wanna give away your entire hand with the initial offer.

disagree. The ones I hate are 3 WW scrubs for a stud with the rant regarding the potential. If I'm going to offer a trade, I look at it from the inverse perspective... would I take it? You have to trade with someone who has the depth and it's hard to make it work, but the real low balls are an insult.

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I always try to send what I think is a fair offer with my initial communication. I think a good trade is one that benefits both teams and I try to show the other owner some respect when I make an offer. The trade may not get done, but at least the other guy doesn't walk away thinking I feel he is an idiot, and it tends to keep the doors open down the line with future trades.

 

Of course, I act that way in real life, too. I don't haggle over things like car prices. I research, know what it costs the dealer, know what I'm willing to give them in profit - which they deserve - and will walk away if they try to highball me and prolong negotiations. I guess I just don't have a personality that makes me want to screw people over, and I'm certainly not willing to get screwed. Doesn't mean that some trades don't end up looking lopsided, but during the process that isn't the case.

 

+1. I don't like to BS. I'll look at rosters and mine, to see where someone can afford to give up something I want, and if I have what they need. I might alter my strategy a bit if it's not that clearcut, but I almost always give my "firm final offer" with the first deal, because I know that the trade is fair and it's the best either one of us is probably going to do..

 

Doesn't always work, but why even bother haggling, if you know where it's likely to lead anyway. Just make a firm fair offer that helps their team, and if they reject it, decide if it's worth countering with any more or move on.

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I try and start very general... "would you be interested in working a deal for (player(s) I want) in exchange for anybody on my roster except: (player(s) I want to keep)". And then the other person(s) in my league usually start putting the deal together from their side.

 

In my experience, the "hurt factor" is how I determine how fair the deal is from both sides - i.e. if it hurts me to give up the players more than feeling good about the player(s) I'm getting in return, then I probably don't make the deal. Gotta give something to get something.

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disagree. The ones I hate are 3 WW scrubs for a stud with the rant regarding the potential. If I'm going to offer a trade, I look at it from the inverse perspective... would I take it? You have to trade with someone who has the depth and it's hard to make it work, but the real low balls are an insult.

 

Totally different subject. Scrubs for Studs deals will immediately put me in the "No Trade" zone with that owner.

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Totally different subject. Scrubs for Studs deals will immediately put me in the "No Trade" zone with that owner.

Then what did you mean by this:

 

Trading is alittle like poker. You don't wanna give away your entire hand with the initial offer.
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I've only been at this 5-6 seasons, so it's taken me awhile to get comfortable with people sending me shyster offers and stuff, since I'm not really a haggler at heart... at this point I don't get offended, just entertained...LOL.

 

Everyone's got their interests at heart, and they're trying to improve their team at the best price they can, I try and keep that in mind... the one thing that still annoys me is when people put an entire sales spiel together explaining why the trade is such a sweet deal for me, you know the kind where they evaluate your entire roster for you and paint an awesome future ahead if you just consummated the deal... all while taking subtle shots at the object of their desire?... this particularly annoys when it's someone that I've dealt with before as I like to just talk straight and hammer a deal out, and I assume there's an understanding of that with previous trade partners since we've had prior discussions... No one is gonna sweet talk me into anything, and I don't wanna hear it.

 

It's about pure value. If there's enough on the table I might jump if I'm interested... no amount of jibba jabba is gonna convince me.

 

Trading is definitely the best part of fantasy for me though.

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Then what did you mean by this:

 

 

Well I'm not going to offer WW fodder in a deal. Will I offer a straight up offer in the beginning? More than likely not. Like I said before, I like to send out feelers...now you have to be careful when sending out those feelers as to not include WW fodder. Complicated I know....hmmmm....not sure how to explain it differently.

 

Never-the-less, it goes both ways. If you are always the guy asking the other person what they would like to offer for a player, or what you would give for a player then its kinda hard to be offended.

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It depends on who you are dealing with. I've just been directed to this thread :wacko:

 

I've been rejected on "feeler" offers and have actually insulted the owner. I try to avoid that at all costs.

 

Trading is alittle like poker. You don't wanna give away your entire hand with the initial offer.

 

Exactly...you have to read the other person and see who you can get out of him...

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Exactly...you have to read the other person and see who you can get out of him...

When you play with pros they act like pros. Fleecing a newbie isn't cool even when you pull it off, as the other pros are gonna get bent. Just look at the threads all year where the trade isn't fair. Like I said... it has to make sense and it has to be a fair deal.

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It depends on who you are dealing with. I've just been directed to this thread :tup:

 

I've been rejected on "feeler" offers and have actually insulted the owner. I try to avoid that at all costs.

 

Trading is alittle like poker. You don't wanna give away your entire hand with the initial offer.

 

 

Jacks or better to open :wacko:

 

At least start with something to pique interest but hold back some if you really want to get the deal done. :tup:

 

Nice offer BTW

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Well, a standard rule in negotiating is that you want the other side to make the first offer. They might give you more value that you anticipated. They give you some information in doing so, and you will have disclosed nothing.

 

Whether you want to apply this tactic to ff trades is up to you.

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Well, a standard rule in negotiating is that you want the other side to make the first offer. They might give you more value that you anticipated. They give you some information in doing so, and you will have disclosed nothing.

 

Whether you want to apply this tactic to ff trades is up to you.

 

 

can we copy and paste this into the Official Fantasy Football Trading Manuel? But make it a secret page...ya know..the kind of page you need a secret decoder ring to open.

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