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trying auction, need quick tips/strategy for tomorrow


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trying auction, need quick tips/strategy for tomorrow

 

hey guys, trying out first auction league. seems more exciting than standard since u got a shot at everyone and you can make others overpay for those you dont want.

 

i do need tips from experienced folk out there. it seems too good to be true--

standard 12team 200$ (PPR with flex and extra bench spot) seems like i can get some GREAT starters. im saying a good/decent QB, a top tier RB and a 2nd/3rd tier RB, a top tier WR1 and two WR2s and some decent option at TE. then fill my bench with CHEAP upside dudes. i MUST be missing something here, since i can call myself the champion if this is true!

 

is it better to get a strong core of high tier players (50$ 30$ for 2 rb, 30 20 15 for 3wr, 20 for qb, leaving me around 35$ for cheap filler flyers) and an upside risky bench, or a solid talent group of starters with some capable ones on the bench (15 qb, 20 20 20 20 or something for 4rb, 20 15 15 10 etc for 4WR, and so on??). with the first idea, my bye weeks would be hit or miss, with my second it would be more stable. hope that makes sense.

 

also, ANY experienced tips and strategies are welcome. just in a rut with how to draft my team...

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Did my second auction this year and learned a lot, but it depends on the people you draft with and how trigger happy they are. This is what I’d do:

1) Mark your 3 top targets and budget for them. If the target comes up and the bidding goes insane, don’t go crazy if someone else is bound a determined, but be willing to go +20%.

2) Don’t nominate the players you want in the beginning. I wasn’t going to pay for the big RB’s and I kept nominating them when it was my turn. The intent is to dwindle the competition’s bankroll.

3) Try and save some money for the later rounds and know when a bargain it too good to pass up. Let’s say Hines Ward is listed as going for about $14 and later when people are running out of money he’s sitting at $7. You may not like the Steelers this year, but that’s a good deal. Do that 5 times and your team has a higher theoretical value than the competition… at least by the cheatsheets.

4) Know when to pay more for a person that the cheatsheet value. The sheets are just a guide, and if you feel a player has extra value then budget it. I paid $27 for Arian Foster when the sheet value as about $16.

5) Don’t spend more than $2 on a kicker and try to keep $50 late. The real bargains come very late in the draft, but most of the top players are gone. Guys like TO, Jacoby Jones, Sproles can be had for next to nothing if you have a few extra bucks late.

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Only nominate QBs and TEs that you do not want, so that you fill your opponents roster spaces and use their money. Also, you wil have less competition for the guy you want.

 

Save some change for rounds 9 and later ... while others are hoping to get guys for a dollar, you will be getting all the depth for 2-4 dollars. Guys like Hines Ward and Tim Hightower can be had in those rounds for merely 2-4 dollars. If you like a guy like Johnny Knox, you can get him late if you have saved just a little bit.

 

Keep up with how much money everyone has. If you have the least money late, then you can be screwed. BUT, if you have just a little more then you can dictate you own roster, at that point.

 

In summary, I hope auction leagues catch on. It is the only way to play where every owner has the same chance for any player on the board.

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I just completed my 3rd. The biggest way to succeed is know your opponents. The first couple of years, teams tend to overpay for the "prime" players leaving a lot of "good " players for you to spend your bankroll on. Keep an eye on the fist couple picks and you should have an indication of what direction the draft is heading. Also, do not be afraid to bid on a few guys that you are not targeting. This is very important if you are considered to have a good "football mind." Be careful to bid early so you are not stuck with them and it will keep other players from chasing your players (this happened to me this year) and driving prices on the talent you identified.

 

I have had the most success with a tier one player mixed with a lot of tier 2 and 3 players. Good luck.

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I've done dozens of auctions. A few points to remember:

 

* Points scored by guys on your bench won't help you win; bid assertively for the players you will start regularly. Get a core of at least 2-3 higher dollar players for your core. I personally like getting trying to get one 'first round' quality player and three 'second round' quality players and filling in around them with cheap guys later in the draft --- to compare it to a draft, think of it like having 4 picks in the first 20-30 picks and then nothing until rounds 10-16 in which you have two picks in each round (or something like that)

* Nominate 'hot' players you have zero interest in early on (your buddies blow their wad early) -- for example, say you do not like Jahved Best...

* Nominate 'cold' players you do have a big interest in (you may get them cheap) -- for example, say you like Sidney Rice...

* Early on, nominate players you are only moderately interested in from the 'high dollar position' (but only if you already have one player from that position on your roster -- you don't want to artificially create a shortage if you're roster is thin at that spot), which will vary from league to league based on scoring rules and lineup requirements; generally this will be RBs or QBs.

* Talk up the opposing draft strategy (i.e., deep rosters with talent all around you for trades for later)

* Be willing to take players you don't like that much if the price is a big value; the Hines Ward example from above is a good one -- I don't like him much this year, but at the right price, I'd absolutely take him.

* Be willing to pass on some players regardless of how low the prices i.

 

Good luck.

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A few thoughts:

 

1. A lot of beginners get too gun-shy, wait too long for bargains, and then end up with left over dollars, which helps no one. Don't be that guy. I suggest you think of the auction in terms of an ADP list. If you have a "fair auction," you'll end up with one 1st-rounder, one 2nd-rounder, one 3rd-rounder, and so on. Of course, you want to do better than fair, so you should try to "move up" in the draft by purchasing higher round players without sacrificing too much elsewhere. This will boil down to finding bargains, which means sticking to a price list (like The Huddle's) and not overpaying for anyone (unless you really like someone, then it's probably okay). Just remember that if you opt out of 1st round talent, then you should expect to buy a lot of talent ranked in the 2nd and 3rd round.

 

2. More than anything, practice, practice, practice. Check out http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/mockdraftlobby and participate in at least one mock. You'll learn a ton just by trying different strategies. I can't stress this enough.

 

3. With a flex spot, I highly recommend you plan to start 3 RBs. I think this is one of the most misunderstood concepts in flex leagues. Think about it this way - a decent WR will get you about 1000 yards and 8 TDs. There are a LOT of running backs that can get you that kind of production. Cadillac Williams had 1040 total yards and 7 TDs last year and he'll go for a lot cheaper than a WR projected to get you the same number of points. At the higher end, The Huddle has projected Andre Johnson to go for 1520 yards and 10 TDs, while Rashard Mendenhall is projected to go for 1580 total yards and 10 TDs. I guarantee Rashard will go for a lot cheaper than AJ in your auction. You'll have a lot more control over who you get in an auction, so I would make starting 3 decent RBs a priority if I were you.

 

4. Make sure your cheat sheet fits your league settings. For example, let's say you have 12 teams, 15 roster spots, and $200 salary caps. This means that your values for the top 180 players (12 teams x 15 spots) should add up to $2400 (12 teams, $200 each).

 

5. Don't spend more than $1 each on your kicker and defense. You'll thank me later.

 

Good luck!

 

-GdP

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thanks guys.

while i plan to end up with 1$ D and K, what if i run into the case in which i can get my late round fliers VERY cheap and have a few dollars left over for D and K. is that good sometimes or is it mostly a screwup earlier on

this depends on the D scoring. If it's no big deal, then don't spend a lot. If you really want the Ravens, then nominate them early and spend the $3. If you win up with 2 slots left and $50 you screwed yourself. It's all about pace and picking your shots. If you are targeting Flacco, then nominate him after the big RB's go and be willing to pay. Again, you have to stick with a plan of sorts.

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ok last major question: when are the most common nomination times (rounds) in which people splurge and people back off? i'd like to take advantage of that. and how does nominating crappier players early (like a 5+ rounder) in the early rounds usually end up?

 

First there are no set times when people splurge and when they back off ... except that (generally) people are too gun shy coming out of the blocks ... For example, I just got Randy Moss for 92 and Brandon Marshall for 75 in an auction ... only to see Roddy White go for 105, Anquan Boldin go for 77 and Ochocinco go for 75 a few minutes later ...

 

How does nominating 'crap players' early on go? Well, you may be able to get your top rated kicker for the minimum bid early on in the proceedings (especially if you nominate him right after a high dollar and highly competitive auction ends). Generally, I like the idea of either putting out players that you know somone else will want ... or ... put out cheap-o's that you want ... however, save your deepest sleepers for when everyone else is at minimum bids so you can make sure you can get them when you nominate them. It sucks when you put the guy you REALLY want out there for $1 and someone else bumps him to $2 and you don't have enough to bid $3.

 

Good luck.

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One thing to watch out for ... often times when the last guy in a tier comes up for bid owners panic which sometimes results in inflated prices on some of the guys at the bottom of tiers. That is probably what happened in the example Muck gave ... he got both Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall relatively early in the auction (92/500 and 75/500 respectively) ... but when WRs started flying off the board (in our league we start a minimum of 4 WRs making them even MORE important) those prices on those last guys in the 3rd tier were a bit inflated.

 

So the trick is to wait and let some of the owners blow their salary ... but don't wait too long.

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Also ... be careful when you are bidding on players you don't really want simply to inflate the price ... you never know when you will get stuck with your bid. I love it when somebody is bidding me up and I am able to stick them with a player they didn't really want ... but not so much fun when you get stuck with a player you didn't really want.

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Also ... be careful when you are bidding on players you don't really want simply to inflate the price ... you never know when you will get stuck with your bid. I love it when somebody is bidding me up and I am able to stick them with a player they didn't really want ... but not so much fun when you get stuck with a player you didn't really want.

 

But this is one of the fun aspects of auctions. Two years ago I REALLY wanted Thomas Jones but ended up getting "stuck" with M. Turner instead when I got caught bidding up Turner. Turns out Turner was the better performer for me than Jones would have been. There is still the "got lucky" factor, even in an auction.

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thanks for the help guys. i regret spending so much so early, will keep that in mind. a lot of players went for a TON. i think andre went for 50+, and that wasnt an outlier...hehe

 

heres how i did: 200$ ppr wr/rb/te flex addition

 

1. (11) Adrian Peterson (Min - RB) $64

2. (23) Frank Gore (SF - RB) $56

3. (46) Malcom Floyd (SD - WR) $9

4. (61) Steve Smith (Car - WR) $25

5. (66) Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR) $13

6. (118) Mike Williams (Sea - WR) $3

7. (124) Kareem Huggins (TB - RB) $2

8. (125) Devin Thomas (Was - WR) $1

9. (130) Donovan McNabb (Was - QB) $10

10. (158) David Buehler (Dal - K) $1

11. (160) LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB) $7

12. (166) Mohamed Massaquoi (Cle - WR) $1

13. (174) Eddie Royal (Den - WR) $1

14. (175) Tashard Choice (Dal - RB) $2

15. (181) Cincinnati (Cin - DEF) $2

16. (182) Jeremy Shockey (NO - TE) $1

17. (183) James Jones (GB - WR) $2

 

im very weak at TE/QB and lack depth. oh well.

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