How many Megatron owners are frustrated besides me..

[Gut Crusher]

I really believe Megatron is a beast, but the whole playing with a sub-par team and incurring injuries is pissing me off. Can Shaun Hill sling it to him enough to keep his value?

[MrTed46]

I really believe Megatron is a beast, but the whole playing with a sub-par team and incurring injuries is pissing me off. Can Shaun Hill sling it to him enough to keep his value?

 

He tried feeding it to CJ in the end zone last week, I don't think that will stop. CJ does take a hit of course, but they will still try to give him the ball. Similar situation with Fitz.

[Chief Dick]

I really believe Megatron is a beast, but the whole playing with a sub-par team and incurring injuries is pissing me off. Can Shaun Hill sling it to him enough to keep his value?

 

That's the risk of drafting him.

[Furd]

Who?

 

I think that Calvin Johnson is good enough to put up decent numbers with just about any stiff at QB. (See Culpepper, D. and Orlovsky, D.)

 

Besides, when you drafted him he was playing with a subpar team with a QB coming off an injury, so I'm not sure what else you expected.

 

[RichSaxton]

I'm still reeling after last week. In a league with 1pt per 10 yd reception and 6pts per TD, take a wild stab at how many points I came up short of a big opening week W by Tuesday morning? That's right...a big fat 8. That one certainly stung every time I watched a replay of the Megatron @ Chicago incident.

 

Ironically though, based on the 3/4 of the game he got before being steamrollered, i'd have been quite worried about Stafford this week. He never looked interested in throwing it to Johnson all game. The number of "omg where's Calvin Johnson this week, he's in my fantasy team" threads on here and other forums was immense prior to half time.

 

When Hill came into the game though, it basically looked a case of him saying "no mistakes, just hit my #1 guy as often as I can"...and he almost came up big in the final seconds (there's that stinging feeling again). He won't throw many big yd plays I wouldn't expect, but i'd expect Johnson to get a LOT more chances to catch the ball this week. Of course it's a worry when the #1 QB goes down behind what is probably your #1 WR in your team (he was a top 3 draft pick for me), but I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it just yet.

Edited September 15, 2010 by RichSaxton

[MTSuper7]

Megatron actually saw more targets in the 2nd half with Hill at QB. Sure, it's frustrating, but such is fantasy football.

[MrTed46]

its just week 1

[delusions of grandeur]

I'm still reeling after last week. In a league with 1pt per 10 yd reception and 6pts per TD, take a wild stab at how many points I came up short of a big opening week W by Tuesday morning? That's right...a big fat 8. That one certainly stung every time I watched a replay of the Megatron @ Chicago incident.

 

Ironically though, based on the 3/4 of the game he got before being steamrollered, i'd have been quite worried about Stafford this week. He never looked interested in throwing it to Johnson all game. The number of "omg where's Calvin Johnson this week, he's in my fantasy team" threads on here and other forums was immense prior to half time.

 

When Hill came into the game though, it basically looked a case of him saying "no mistakes, just hit my #1 guy as often as I can"...and he almost came up big in the final seconds (there's that stinging feeling again). He won't throw many big yd plays I wouldn't expect, but i'd expect Johnson to get a LOT more chances to catch the ball this week. Of course it's a worry when the #1 QB goes down behind what is probably your #1 WR in your team (he was a top 3 draft pick for me), but I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it just yet.

 

I think you're spot on in your assessment, but I think there was a reason why Stafford wasn't looknig at Megatron early... They have to establish other threats besides him, or he'll end up triple-teamed all season like last year.

 

When Hill came in, then it's like you said though, that you just try not to mistakes and put the ball in the hands of the guy you know can make a play.

 

After that athletic should-have-been a TD technicality, my confidence is renewed that Detroit will do alot of putting up the ball where only Calvin can get it.

[Gopher]

It's frustrating to me, only because I own all three (Stafford, Calvin, and Best) on the same team. With Stafford out, I'm not as concerned about Calvin continuing to get targeted (I think Hill will throw to him as much, if not more, than Stafford), but rather that Johnson himself stays healthy. As a Johnson owner in a dynasty league, I can safely say that his health has been the one thing that has limited his production the past couple of seasons, not the various QB's that have thrown to him. A healthy Megatron equals huge numbers, no matter who is throwing the ball. Will he be consistent, week in and week out, similar to Andre Johnson or Roddy White? I think Calvin is a little bit more up-and-down than those guys, simply due to the fact that the Lions DO try to force the ball to him at times (their offense hasn't been as balanced the past few years, as Houston and Atlanta, for example). But, he'll still have his share of monster games, as long as he's healthy and on the field.

[Riffraff]

Ask us again in 12 weeks.

Seems like a reasonable amount of time to see if your entire squad sucks arse or just CJ.

 

Like mentioned before, it's only been 1 week. Step away from the cliff.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Riffraff

[flemingd]

It's not like he had Peyton or Brees throwing him the ball in the first place. There's a reason the guy was ADP'ing in the 20's, and it had nothing to do with his physical skill set. Stafford isn't their QB because he's so awesomely great right now - it's because they expect he can grow into it.

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/shaunhill/gamel...amp;season=2008

 

2 years ago Hill was a viable fantasy QB, and that was without Crabtree. His receiving corp was something like Isaac Bruce (and fading fast), Josh Morgan (rookie 6th rounder), Bryant Johnson, and Arnaz (one and done) Battle. And don't knee-jerk to Vernon Davis - this was the year he had a HORRIBLE season, even before he got into Singletary's doghouse. In Hill's 8 starts he registered 1873 yards and 12 TD's. This equates to 3746 yards and 24 TD's extrapolated over a 16 game season. With those crap WR's. With Davis going 15/162/2 over the same 8 games.

 

I think I just talked myself into believing Calvin is better off now.

[forever in debt to mo lewis]

1300 yards and 12 tds in 08 with 4 different starting qbs throwing him the ball(one of the best picks ive made was grabbing him with the first pick of the 4th round that year).....hes a supreme talent....guys like that will usually get something done unless the situation is absolutely pitiful...which i dont think it is there now......you knew the situation going in on him.....so you just gotta keep starting him and ride it out

[Gopher]

Just so people don't misconstrue what I said about his health... He's only missed three games total, in three seasons. What I'm talking about is the number of games where he was a game-time decision (or questionable), but ended up playing... and was fairly ineffective as a result. In other words, there's a big difference between officially starting the game, and actually being 100% healthy. Those less-than-100% healthy games are what has contributed to some of his inconsistency, from game to game. He's "only" produced nine 100-yard games, in over three seasons... that's an average of three per season. I would expect more from a true stud WR, but that's just me.

 

Am I trying to convince you that he's not a stud? No way... I think he IS one of the top 4-5 WR's in the league. All I'm saying is that his health has played a huge role in his productivity, and consistency. I'm hoping he stays healthy all season, and if he does, I don't think we have to worry about who is throwing him the ball.

[JUMbotron]

I don't see how Calvin Johnson owners can be frustrated. It's not like he's ever had a Drew Brees. When Calvin is healthy, that's what's important.

 

Megatron can catch a touchdown from Bubby Brister if Megatron is healthy.

[Square]

I watched the whole game and Hill looked more interested in getting the ball to CJ than Stafford did. If anything, I think Hill is good enough to know his best chances of making a big play include Johnson.

[JUMbotron]

I watched the whole game and Hill looked more interested in getting the ball to CJ than Stafford did. If anything, I think Hill is good enough to know his best chances of making a big play include Johnson.

 

I agree. Hill's made plays before.

[G.K.Trey]

I am frustrated that grown men and women refer to someone as Megatron, very silly.

[JUMbotron]

When you write these player's names a million times per day like we do, a quick one-word nickname is just easier.

 

JUM

[delusions of grandeur]

I am frustrated that grown men and women refer to someone as Megatron, very silly.

 

I prefer Calvin, since you can't call him Johnson or CJ.

 

But what else can you call a guy who's 6-5/235 and runs a 4.35 forty? Dude's freakish size, speed and hands are just inhuman.

[BigTen]

I think the frustration is that he just is not used enough. Being a Lions fan that was my frustration. The guy IMHO is the best pure talent at WR and they always find a way not to throw him the ball. I had him last year and said that I would not draft him this year because of the reason I listed above. Just get him the damn ball!

Edited September 15, 2010 by BigTen

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I prefer Calvin, since you can't call him Johnson or CJ.

 

But what else can you call a guy who's 6-5/235 and runs a 4.35 forty? Dude's freakish size, speed and hands are just inhuman.

 

 

Actually his hands are average. He's had more than his share of drops over his short career. Not to mention the way the ball squirted out of his hands on Sunday. Cost his team and his fantasy owners.

 

Squeeze the ball Calvin. We know you are a great talent. No need to show it off in a celebration. Take notes from Greg Jennings...

[delusions of grandeur]

Actually his hands are average. He's had more than his share of drops over his short career. Not to mention the way the ball squirted out of his hands on Sunday. Cost his team and his fantasy owners.

 

Squeeze the ball Calvin. We know you are a great talent. No need to show it off in a celebration. Take notes from Greg Jennings...

 

I jsut went and looked at dropped passes and targets/receptions, and was astounded how right you are about his hands since he got into the NFL.

 

Admittedly, I haven't watched him much since he was at Tech, but there was no forgetting how good he was at every aspect of the game, including incredible acrobatic catches and good hands:

 

USA Today 2005

 

Johnson rarely raises his hands until the ball is on him so he doesn't give the defender a hint the pass is on the way. When Johnson's hands go up it is a snatch more than a catch.

 

Perhaps that is why he makes so many acrobatic receptions. His body can be contorted and he can be sideways and off-balance, but his hands are quick enough and sure enough to wrap around the football, no matter his body angle.

 

"He has double-play hands," Geis says. "You've seen shortstops and second basemen turn double plays; he has that kind of hand-eye coordination."

 

It is not just the hands that allow Johnson to make sensational grabs. There is willpower. Some receivers may give up on a ball sailing out of bounds or over their heads. He launches himself at the errant throw.

 

Johnson is too demure to explain for long how he makes so many sensational catches. "When I played baseball, I used to try and see the ball hit the bat," he said. "It helped my hand-eye coordination."

 

Johnson has made so many spectacular catches that a few people in Atlanta have done the sacrilegious and nicknamed him The Human Highlight Film. That nickname was taken years ago by now-retired Atlanta Hawks player Dominique Wilkins, but it still doesn't make it any less appropriate for Johnson, who was the 2004 ACC Rookie of the Year and all-ACC as a freshman and sophomore.

 

The article also mentions how he had like 2 drops that season at Tech. Not sure what has changed about his hands since he hit the NFL, or what's with all the drops ...

Edited September 15, 2010 by delusions of granduer

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

I prefer Calvin, since you can't call him Johnson or CJ.

 

But what else can you call a guy who's 6-5/235 and runs a 4.35 forty? Dude's freakish size, speed and hands are just inhuman.

 

How about Starscream? Or did Chad Johnson Ochocinco claim that one already?

Edited September 15, 2010 by CaP'N GRuNGe

[troublez]

This thread is why I don't touch Lion's players. CJ is amazing, in a not so amazing situation.