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On a post today of Ryan Grant going down for the season. One huddler mentioned going to waivers during the game, and the response was huge as to what kind of crap league do you belong to. My league allows it and every league I've belonged to allows it. Actually one of my leagues only allows waivers after MNF and I think it sucks. Having waivers open all the time rewards active team owners and it promotes activity on the web site. So whats up with all the opposers.

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On a post today of Ryan Grant going down for the season. One huddler mentioned going to waivers during the game, and the response was huge as to what kind of crap league do you belong to. My league allows it and every league I've belonged to allows it. Actually one of my leagues only allows waivers after MNF and I think it sucks. Having waivers open all the time rewards active team owners and it promotes activity on the web site. So whats up with all the opposers.

 

No, it only rewards owners that are sitting at their computers 24/7.

 

Why not encourage fair play rather than luck of being the first to the computer.

 

Fairest ways, in order, IMO -

1. Blind bid waivers

2. Weekly Waiver Run (not the rolling crap yahoo has trying to force rotisserie baseball concepts into football)

3. Rolling Waiver Run aka the Yahoo crap

4. FCFS at all times

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Well, I guess if you carry your laptop with you at all times or if you only watch the games at your house, you wouldn't care.

 

There are, you know, people that like to go to the game. Maybe they even have season tickets. Should they bring the laptop to the game and try to keep track of all the players in the league?

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By not having waiver wire order criteria, you completely eliminate an even playing field. So if an owner is at a game, at church, at a kids birthday party, etc.... and not by his computer when his stud goes down, tough luck??? Seems crazy to me that leagues still have a wide open waiver with first come first serve..

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i agree wtih Big Country that blind bid waivers works the best.

 

it adds an extra level of strategy, because owners must manage their budget.

 

Also, it's a great point that some people actually go to games. Plus, and maybe this is fantasy football heresy, but there's something to be said for just enjoying watching the games. To me I want Sunday to be about watching my team and whatever match-ups I think are going to be most interesting -- not trying to track every game while enjoying none.

 

Just my opionion after being in both types of leagues.

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It's our first year doing blind bids in my family league, and so far I think it's great. Extra bit of strategy.

 

I finally convinced the local (small money) to implement a rotating waiver priority this year instead of FCFS. It was like pulling teeth. It is one of the reasons I've won my 1st two years, but this way is more fair. Having to be so vigilant on game day and watching games SO closely to make those add/drops is a PITA and ultimately makes things less fun.

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Plus, and maybe this is fantasy football heresy, but there's something to be said for just enjoying watching the games.

 

Nah. I used to go over to a friend's house to watch football. His young son drove me crazy, running back and forth to his computer. "Dad - Joe Horn just caught a 59 yard TD. Dad - Emmitt Smith scored again. Dad -Joey Harrington just threw a TD. (Okay, I'm lying about the last one. :wacko:)

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On a post today of Ryan Grant going down for the season. One huddler mentioned going to waivers during the game, and the response was huge as to what kind of crap league do you belong to. My league allows it and every league I've belonged to allows it. Actually one of my leagues only allows waivers after MNF and I think it sucks. Having waivers open all the time rewards active team owners and it promotes activity on the web site. So whats up with all the opposers.

 

Lots of good explanations already posted. You'll find that serious leagues don't allow open waivers. Owners that bet money on FF don't want to be tied to their computers all day, they would rather digest everything that happened over the weekend and make their WW choices on Tuesday/Wednesday. Also leagues that use blind bidding add another element of strategy to the game.

 

Also let's say Grant's injury wasn't as bad as it looked, you might have dropped someone valuable to pick up Jackson, and then another owner could snatch that player you just dropped. You're being boxed into a corner, being forced to make a decision without all the information. What if I own Grant and I don't have any crappy players I'd like to drop? I can't drop Grant, because I don't know how long he's out. I may not want to drop a Johnny Knox or Jermaine Gresham either, for a backup RB who may start one or two games, if I have a Cadillac, Ricky Williams, LT etc. who can fill in for those couple of games.

 

Casual players might enjoy this style of play, but it limits an owner's ability to strategize and think long-term. I can't imagine anyone betting serious money in such a league.

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Inverse order of standings, then by points. WW closes for the player when their game starts (bye week players can be picked up still) and reopens on Wednesday morning. Set your add/drop for the guys you want to auto-process before going to bed, then wake up Wed AM to see who went through. Never, ever been any complaints about this in our league.

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Got away from FCFS years ago. We use a hybrid system now, where claims (not waivers) run on Tuesday evening (worst to first then serpentine gets their selection), then it's FCFS for the rest of the week until a player's game start. As stated above, this allows folks who aren't camped in front of a computer all day the opportunity to do some research and have a chance at the player they want. Not all owners take advantage of it though, so those who take the time to understand it gain an edge over the others.

 

It's like a 'mini-draft' once per week. Kinda cool IMO. I enjoy checking the waiver wire suggestions the huddle has every Tuesday, then deciding if any are worth a spot on my roster. This year, looks like they all have a shot. :wacko:

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Great info much appreciated. We are always evolving our stratagies but the open waivers was to create activity on the site and make it more active. Ultimately that was our goal and I think it works. Theres always two sides to the coin.

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My work league is like this and I hate it. It's only 10 bucks but still...I'm Commish so last season I turned on waivers. On Monday, man did I hear it from the most frequent abusers...So this year we discussed and moves are capped at 15 on the season. I told them to drop wisely. One guy's already up to 4.

Oh and folks, there's no need to be tied to the computer all day anymore. It's not 1997. there's mobile alerts and internet on your PHONE nowadays...what will they think of next?

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On a post today of Ryan Grant going down for the season. One huddler mentioned going to waivers during the game, and the response was huge as to what kind of crap league do you belong to. My league allows it and every league I've belonged to allows it. Actually one of my leagues only allows waivers after MNF and I think it sucks. Having waivers open all the time rewards active team owners and it promotes activity on the web site. So whats up with all the opposers.

 

The fact that you are posting this question makes me happy to not be in your league. And BigCountry's post sums it up.

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Through years and years of experimenting a couple of my leagues run blind bidding from Monday through Thursday, and then do a 24 hr FCFS period from Saturday to Sunday ending an hour before the first game starts, just in case somebody needs an extra player to cover GTD. Players that are dropped during blind bidding are locked to the following week so they aren't available during the FCFS period for that week.

 

By far the best way I've seen yet to run it...

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Great info much appreciated. We are always evolving our stratagies but the open waivers was to create activity on the site and make it more active. Ultimately that was our goal and I think it works. Theres always two sides to the coin.

 

I don;t see how this makes people more active, all it does is cause people to either have to sit by a computer all day and try to snap up a player or resign themselves to the fact that if they actually have a real life they will lose out on the hot free agents. Seems like the only activity you are encouraging is for those few that can abuse this kind of system.

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I don;t see how this makes people more active, all it does is cause people to either have to sit by a computer all day and try to snap up a player or resign themselves to the fact that if they actually have a real life they will lose out on the hot free agents. Seems like the only activity you are encouraging is for those few that can abuse this kind of system.

 

I guess I never took to account people actually do sit at a computer for a living and can exploit WW. My league has cops, firemen, construction workers, managers, so it never occured to me the loop hole FCFS can have.

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We do waiver submissions from Monday night until Wednesday night based on record (worst to first). Thursday morning starts our FCFS free agency period which ends before the start of the games on Sunday.

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How does blind bidding work please? Im commish of a hybrid dynasty league and honestly the rules are made to make it competitive and also not to intensive for me ( commish ) to handle the duties. My life is busy enough.

 

 

Simplest way -

 

At the start of each year, owners are given X amount of "bid dollars" for the season. Let;s use 100 for an example.

 

During the blind bid period, owners submit their bid claims, essentially, I bix $X on Player Y, and if won drop player Z

Repeat as needed for extra desired players. You can also do conditional bids, such as If I don't get player Y, I want to bid $x on Player C drop Player Z.

 

Most of the leading online fantasy league management services can automate much if not all of this.

 

 

Once an owner has spent all of their money, they can't make any more pickups during the year.

 

In some leagues, bid dollars can be traded, others, they can't, it is league preference.

 

 

 

 

Now, if you want something that is not intensive for you, I would highly reccomend going to a waiver period with teams prioritized in reverse order of standings followed by a FCFS period.

 

Essentially, owners can submit claims up until a predetermined time. I generally reccomend Wednesday evening or Thursday morning, as this accounts for weeks with Thursday games and you won' have to change your schedule to accomodate them. Once that time comes, the waivers are processed (priority determined by standings - worst to first) and the FCFS period is open. I generally leave that period open up until kickoff of the Sunday game (with players that have played unavailable).

 

This way, there is a set period where owners submit their claims, have time to see who they were awarded and then have the opportunity to pick up someone if they did not get a player they wanted or need a late week injury or bye replacement.

 

That method can easily be 100% automated with most league management sites.

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I guess I never took to account people actually do sit at a computer for a living and can exploit WW. My league has cops, firemen, construction workers, managers, so it never occured to me the loop hole FCFS can have.

 

So do all of them work on Sunday? Because that's the day of most concern... But no matter whether the answer is yes or no, it doesn't matter.

 

In fact, if someone does have to work on Sunday, then that is even more reason, since they don't get fair opportunity. It might literally be impossible to pick up the FA they want, even if they sorely need one. So what do you say to them, TS?

 

Further, one should be able to do whatever they want on a Sunday afternoon, rather than having to sit by a computer. People shouldn't have to rush to pick up a free-agent just to beat the crowd, when a few days later, a situation and decision is much clearer (e.g., Grant being out. There was no way to know on Sunday if picking up Jackson was even a good move, but there was by Tuesday).

 

If you want your league to be more competitive, then don't leave it up to people to exploit or miss out on opportunities. That has the opposite effect.

 

(ETA: sorry to be repetitive, but you don't seem to be getting the concern here)

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