Capt. Stanky Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 So what's the concensis on this? Does PT become a legit #1 RB with Bush out? I have visions of PT putting up numbers similar to what he did at the end of the '08 season, should I? --2008 Week 14 16 car for 102 1 TD; 1 rec for 7 & 1 TD Week 15 22 car for 87 1 TD; 7 rec for 59 & 1 TD Week 16 13 for 77 1 TD; 3 rec for 26 Week 17 Missed due to injury What's your take on what PT will do with this opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 PT is already a legit #1 (albiet low #1). No Bush just raises his value in the #1 ranks, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think he gets a slight bump up but not by much (which is already high). I see the Saints using Wynn and/or Ivory the way they used Bush. I can see them getting 8-12 carries a game. PT definetely benefits in PPR leagues the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think he gets a slight bump up but not by much (which is already high). I see the Saints using Wynn and/or Ivory the way they used Bush. I can see them getting 8-12 carries a game. PT definetely benefits in PPR leagues the most. Good point, Ted. I only play in PPR leagues. Speaking of playing, Are you still on ConquerClub? Major-Tom and I have been playing doubles and triples games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think he gets a slight bump up but not by much (which is already high). I see the Saints using Wynn and/or Ivory the way they used Bush. I can see them getting 8-12 carries a game. PT definetely benefits in PPR leagues the most. The statement I bolded has be scratching my head. Yes, the Saints will undoubtedly have one of their other backs shoulder some of the load, but PT will be the one they use more like Reggie Bush. This is why I think he's a #1 now, he should get allot more love in the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think he gets a slight bump up but not by much (which is already high). I see the Saints using Wynn and/or Ivory the way they used Bush. I can see them getting 8-12 carries a game. PT definetely benefits in PPR leagues the most. I think the TE wil ore in this role. Bush was their check down back so Thomas and or Shockey will get a workload increase I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm amazed how many people seem to think this changes the Saints' rushing game much. Bush rarely gets more than a few token carries. If anything it bumps up Thomas (for PPR) and the other receivers a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm amazed how many people seem to think this changes the Saints' rushing game much. Bush rarely gets more than a few token carries. If anything it bumps up Thomas (for PPR) and the other receivers a bit. Hence my statement above yours. I don't think PT's load will change much, other than more GL work but that will change once Ivory comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm amazed how many people seem to think this changes the Saints' rushing game much. Bush rarely gets more than a few token carries. If anything it bumps up Thomas (for PPR) and the other receivers a bit. I just can't agree with this. With the Saints being in primetime the first two weeks I noticed that Bush is on the field an awful lot. I know that doesn't aquate to touches, but if anything PT will have allot more opportunities to make plays since he will be on the field allot more. Does anyone have the breakdown of snaps between PT and Bush over the first 2 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Seems like there were large chunks of the game RB and PT were alternating plays the last couple weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 The question is who is better handcuff? Wynn or Ivory? Wynn never impressed anyone but Ivory was good in preseason. I think it's one of the situations where Wynn gets his chance next week and if he does good then its his to lose, if he does anything less, Ivory will get to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 The question is who is better handcuff? Wynn or Ivory? Wynn never impressed anyone but Ivory was good in preseason. I think it's one of the situations where Wynn gets his chance next week and if he does good then its his to lose, if he does anything less, Ivory will get to shine. This is the better question, as Pierre has shown quite a penchant for getting banged up. Once the handcuff is identified, I'd expect that guy to get roughly the same amount of touches that Reggie was getting. If we've learned anything over the last 2 seasons, it's that Pierre doesn't hold up well with a full complement of "starter" touches - Payton knows this and he'll work in somebody else accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 This is the better question, as Pierre has shown quite a penchant for getting banged up. Once the handcuff is identified, I'd expect that guy to get roughly the same amount of touches that Reggie was getting. If we've learned anything over the last 2 seasons, it's that Pierre doesn't hold up well with a full complement of "starter" touches - Payton knows this and he'll work in somebody else accordingly. That's why its important to see if its Wynn or Ivory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roustabout Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Could be Wynn, Ivory and PT. Remember last year with Bell, Bush & PT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 This is a hugh deal for Pierre Thomas owners. He's gonna be on the field a lot more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 This is a hugh deal for Pierre Thomas owners. He's gonna be on the field a lot more! once it is known who the replacement will be, that player should be handcuffed asap and even though I'm not a handcuffer usually....PT requires it as I liked the situation as it was with Bush spelling him... and even then he probably won't see more than 3 extra touches with Bush out as they'll work Wynn or Ivory in to see who they like better as the backup/CoP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 once it is known who the replacement will be, that player should be handcuffed asap and even though I'm not a handcuffer usually....PT requires it as I liked the situation as it was with Bush spelling him... and even then he probably won't see more than 3 extra touches with Bush out as they'll work Wynn or Ivory in to see who they like better as the backup/CoP I disagree. I think PT will see a significant increase in his work load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I disagree. I think PT will see a significant increase in his work load. I don't see how this would happen based on how Payton has managed the backfield since he's been there... he'll use a committee because he has one quality back left who is known to get banged up when taking too many carries...he's not an every down back, but thrives in a RBBC.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryroads Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 So now that they have signed Betts what do we think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 So now that they have signed Betts what do we think? "wait and see" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I disagree. I think PT will see a significant increase in his work load. significant? no. 2-3 more targets and 2-3 more carries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 So now that they have signed Betts what do we think? Nothing. Betts will get the occasional 2 or 3 carries but I think nothing that impacts PT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I don't see how this would happen based on how Payton has managed the backfield since he's been there... he'll use a committee because he has one quality back left who is known to get banged up when taking too many carries...he's not an every down back, but thrives in a RBBC.... In the two games Bush missed last year, Pierre Thomas did not have an increase in carries or receptions. In the 5 games in 2008 that Bush missed, PT did have a significant increase. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 In the two games Bush missed last year, Pierre Thomas did not have an increase in carries or receptions. In the 5 games in 2008 that Bush missed, PT did have a significant increase. I guess we'll have to wait and see. yeah, but Deuce was still there at the time and injuries caused PT to step into a bigger role because he was then the #3....now he's the #1 pretty much and they lost their CoP back...in his bigger role, his increase in touches won't double or even better like last time...you'll see about 3-5 more touches max and they'll try to work someone else in to see if they can spell PT without taking too much of a hit in the backfield.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 the problem is, I don't think they have anyone ready to jump in and be that CoP back. Either injuries or unfamiliarity with the offense, I think PT sees more touches for the time being, but I agree they will try to find someone else to share the load. Bush is going to be out much longer than 6 weeks. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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