APinMN Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 So my oppentant still has Witten in his line up......is it wrong to drop my D player to pick up NE's Hernandez, then drop him right away for NE's Mayo to get my D player for the week back in? This keeps a good option at TE away from him if he checks tonight or tomorrow morning....but is it dirty play? (I wont do this till after tonights game starts because he could get Boss or someone from tonights game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 So my oppentant still has Witten in his line up......is it wrong to drop my D player to pick up NE's Hernandez, then drop him right away for NE's Mayo to get my D player for the week back in? This keeps a good option at TE away from him if he checks tonight or tomorrow morning....but is it dirty play? (I wont do this till after tonights game starts because he could get Boss or someone from tonights game) If you have to ask... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I wish Hernandez was available in any of my leagues ... We charge transaction fees in our league to prevent this kind of transaction churning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Megan Foxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Churning - unethical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APinMN Posted October 3, 2010 Author Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yeah, it wasnt sounding nice/ethical....kinda wish I had an open spot/ scrub spot so I could pick him up outright (but with all my RB injuries (Rice, Best, PT) I dont want to give up RB depth) and hold him till Gates is on bye... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAdonis2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 what you call unethical i call strategical......especially if you pay for pickups or have limited transactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 We charge transaction fees in our league to prevent this kind of transaction churning. I actually had this happen to me in a league that has transactions fees. I was annoyed about the situation, but I didn't consider it Megan Foxy since the guy paid his money to make the transaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I have never done that personally but I don't think it's unethical. It's good strategy and if you're not thinking then you're not trying nor do you deserve to win. I say do it and don't think twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I actually had this happen to me in a league that has transactions fees. I was annoyed about the situation, but I didn't consider it Megan Foxy since the guy paid his money to make the transaction. Yes ... the point of the transaction fee is so that you have to pay to employ this strategy. In our league each subsequent transaction in a week costs $1 more than the last transaction. Additionally any player dropped is locked until the next waiver period at which point that player is available to everybody with a round of worst to first priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Waterboy Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I love how the NFL fantasy leagye community has ethics, and good ones like in this case......while the NFL can't get realize that the defense calling timeout with 1 second left before a FG is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) Any league that allows add/drops from 1:00 on Sun through the end of the Monday night game is just ridiculous IMO. No league should benefit owners that simply sit on their laptops all day Sun and Mon night.... I'd never pay $$ to be in a league that does so. Sorry for the rant............. if your league allows it and you're rewarded by doing so, then why not? It's a weak move in my opinion, but if some other owner would do the same, then why not exploit the rules to the fullest extent? If there's money involved and it's allowed, then all the power to you.... Edited October 4, 2010 by joeyb7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Any league that allows add/drops from 1:00 on Sun through the end of the Monday night game is just ridiculous IMO. No league should benefit owners that simply sit on their laptops all day Sun and Mon night.... I'd never pay $$ to be in a league that does so. Sorry for the rant............. that's an antiquated argument. Cell phones mean you don't have to sit at home all day anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 that's an antiquated argument. Cell phones mean you don't have to sit at home all day anymore True. I think his point is valid, though. Transactions should lock prior to the first game to eliminate (among other things) exactly the type of garbage the OP was rambling about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I agree with the point, just not the way it was made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) that's an antiquated argument. Cell phones mean you don't have to sit at home all day anymore Come on man...I'm not in the stone age here. I hear your point, but anybody I know that either has kids or a life doesn't want add/drops during games. I really don't want to be concerned about player performance while I'm golfing on Sunday or spending time visiting family. Add/drops during games also means squat in terms of whether or not you're making good decisions about who to add/drop....you're simply online at the time and that's it. I prefer to have the first add/drop opportunity to be on Tues. night via a waiver process. This way you not only don't have to be tuned into every game and be online, but you also have to make informed decisions that could have an adverse affect on your waiver spot on a weekly basis. I'd never spend $1 on any league that allowed you to make transactions during games. I know I don't speak for everyone, but i don't know who would spend $$ on any league that benefits people who happen to be online at the right time and not the smartest owners. Edited October 4, 2010 by joeyb7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 BTW loaf....avatar is classic.....not busting balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't really see anything wrong with it.. I mean it's a strategy really. If the commissioner wants to combat it (it's an option on Yahoo as one of my leagues has this feature turned on) - he'll set up the league where the player you pick up has to stay on your roster for at least 1 day (not required to), but if he doesn't then he's immediately a free agent again. Slightly different topic - A few years ago in a 12 team league, there weren't too many quality QBs left on the waiver wire. Looking ahead a week, the guy I was playing against had his weekly starter going on bye with no backup. What did I do? I picked up the only 3 QBs worth a damn and they all rode my bench. He ended up going with a scrub and low and behold, lost by a few points. It's all a strategy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't really see anything wrong with it.. I mean it's a strategy really. If the commissioner wants to combat it (it's an option on Yahoo as one of my leagues has this feature turned on) - he'll set up the league where the player you pick up has to stay on your roster for at least 1 day (not required to), but if he doesn't then he's immediately a free agent again. Slightly different topic - A few years ago in a 12 team league, there weren't too many quality QBs left on the waiver wire. Looking ahead a week, the guy I was playing against had his weekly starter going on bye with no backup. What did I do? I picked up the only 3 QBs worth a damn and they all rode my bench. He ended up going with a scrub and low and behold, lost by a few points. It's all a strategy! You're right, it is all about strategy. But, wouldn't you rather focus on the game and player potential rather than winning via loopholes? I know winning is winning, but...... Call me biased, but I stopped playing in the yahoo style whatever goes leagues awhile ago once I started playing for more $$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 You're right, it is all about strategy. But, wouldn't you rather focus on the game and player potential rather than winning via loopholes? I know winning is winning, but...... Call me biased, but I stopped playing in the yahoo style whatever goes leagues awhile ago once I started playing for more $$. The thing about the Yahoo style "anything goes" leagues is that the competition is usually easier. I know that's the reason I'm still in one. I'm a lock to make the playoffs in that league, as about half the owners are clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Now, to add food for thought - If the OP was not churning the player, but rather would be keeping Hernandez rostered, I would not have an issue with it. It's a legitimate play. One reason why I am a big advocate of having a rule in place that all players that are picked up in a given week must remain on the roster until the following week. It prevents the churn and burn, but still allows for strategic blocking pickups, as I like to call them. As to the no pickups after the first game, I agree that once a player has played, he should not be allowed to be picked up, but with the advent of league management systems and the ability in many leagues to change lineups up until a players game time, I have no issue with allowing owners to pick up players that have not played yet. IMO, it is best to have the pickup synced with lineups, so if you allow lineup changes until a players kickoff, you allow pickups, and if you freeze lineups at the start of the Sunday morning kickoff, you freeze pickups then to. With the above, you eliminate the sitting on a computer picking up the backup RB to a player that has gone down because those players are locked, but you allow owners to make last minute changes due to late breaking news or deactivations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 i would oppese it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Now, to add food for thought - If the OP was not churning the player, but rather would be keeping Hernandez rostered, I would not have an issue with it. It's a legitimate play. One reason why I am a big advocate of having a rule in place that all players that are picked up in a given week must remain on the roster until the following week. It prevents the churn and burn, but still allows for strategic blocking pickups, as I like to call them. As to the no pickups after the first game, I agree that once a player has played, he should not be allowed to be picked up, but with the advent of league management systems and the ability in many leagues to change lineups up until a players game time, I have no issue with allowing owners to pick up players that have not played yet. IMO, it is best to have the pickup synced with lineups, so if you allow lineup changes until a players kickoff, you allow pickups, and if you freeze lineups at the start of the Sunday morning kickoff, you freeze pickups then to. With the above, you eliminate the sitting on a computer picking up the backup RB to a player that has gone down because those players are locked, but you allow owners to make last minute changes due to late breaking news or deactivations. I agree with everyhting Big Country said above. Our league adopted the rule BC alludes to for this exact reason - allows for strategic blocking pickups, but there has to be some cost involved to the franchise doing the blocking. And waiver wire/free agent rules should be synched up with lineup rules, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brg88tx Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 op, if you don't do it, the other owner will probably do just what you fear. is your starting te that good that you don't need hernandez, at least as a backup? i'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I'm a lock to make the playoffs in that league, as about half the owners are under 12 years old. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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