Pitbull739 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I am the commish of my local league that is in its 18th year. 8 of the 10 guys are originals from 1993. VERY competitive redraft league, never any trades, etc. That is until today. I am a lucky 4-1 right now, but have some gaping holes that have made me uneasy all season. Drafted out of the 8 spot and took 3 WR's in first 4 rounds so I have had the QB carousel and mediocre RB's (not to mention injuries) making each week a struggle to pull out the win. Today I pulled off two trades that I think really helped my team. I sent Mathews and Vick to one owner for Orton. No issues there. I sent Moss and Forte to another owner for Chris Johnson. He accepted, submitted his lineup for this week with his new players and then proceeded to call me tonight and say he wants the trade reversed because he meant to reject it. Mad as hell at me that I told him to forget it. He accepted and that made it final. No buyers remorse or second thoughts once you say yes to a trade. He is only asking me to reverse it because we are friends and I am the commish. He knows if it was between him and any other owner I would also say forget it. I hate to have an original owner and good friend pissed at me, but I gotta stick by my guns and not reverse the trade just because he had second thoughts or blames it on his phone. Help me through this crappy situation. Edited October 13, 2010 by Pitbull739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 he's out of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I am the commish of my local league that is in its 18th year. 8 of the 10 guys are originals from 1993. VERY competitive redraft league, never any trades, etc. That is until today. I am a lucky 4-1 right now, but have some gaping holes that have made me uneasy all season. Drafter 3 WR's in first 4 rounds to I have had the QB carousel and mediocre RB's (not to mention injuries) making each week a struggle to pull out the win. Today I pulled off two trades that I think really helped my team. I sent Mathews and Vick to one owner for Orton. No issues there. I sent Moss and Forte to another owner for Chris Johnson. He accepted, submitted his lineup for this week with his new players and then proceeded to call me tonight and say he wants the trade reversed because he meant to reject it. Mad as hell at me that I told him to forget it. He accepted and that made it final. No buyers remorse or second thoughts once you say yes to a trade. He is only asking me to reverse it because we are friends and I am the commish. He knows if it was between him and any other owner I would also say forget it. I hate to have an original owner and good friend pissed at me, but I gotta stick by my guns and not reverse the trade just because he had second thoughts or blames it on his phone. Help me through this crappy situation. I have only reversed one trade in 17 years and the owner said in the comments sections, no thanks, then hit accept. Emailed me immediately, literally with-in 2 minutes and said he thinks he goofed. It does happen you hit the wrong button. You'll get a bunch of "you're responsible for your action" responses and then a bunch of "lighten up it was a mistake" responses. Stick with your initial decision. You'll learn nothing new from the responses you get here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I am the commish of my local league that is in its 18th year. 8 of the 10 guys are originals from 1993. VERY competitive redraft league, never any trades, etc. That is until today. I am a lucky 4-1 right now, but have some gaping holes that have made me uneasy all season. Drafted out of the 8 spot and took 3 WR's in first 4 rounds so I have had the QB carousel and mediocre RB's (not to mention injuries) making each week a struggle to pull out the win. Today I pulled off two trades that I think really helped my team. I sent Mathews and Vick to one owner for Orton. No issues there. I sent Moss and Forte to another owner for Chris Johnson. He accepted, submitted his lineup for this week with his new players and then proceeded to call me tonight and say he wants the trade reversed because he meant to reject it. Mad as hell at me that I told him to forget it. He accepted and that made it final. No buyers remorse or second thoughts once you say yes to a trade. He is only asking me to reverse it because we are friends and I am the commish. He knows if it was between him and any other owner I would also say forget it. I hate to have an original owner and good friend pissed at me, but I gotta stick by my guns and not reverse the trade just because he had second thoughts or blames it on his phone. Help me through this crappy situation. Your "great friend" is in desperate need of a life and is obviously full of it. If he didn't mean to accept it, why did he set his lineup with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull739 Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I forgot to mention that he yelled at me for not starting Forte last weekend and said to trade him if I was not going to start him. So I made him an offer and he accepted it. I might have considered it a mistake, MIGHT HAVE, if he had not already submitted his lineup for this week using his new players. It is times like these that being the Commish among good friends kinda sucks. Not to make this a rate my trade post, but Is Forte/Moss for CJ such a bad trade? I do not think so. Edited October 13, 2010 by Pitbull739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) i think your boy is out of luck. buyer's remorse is not your fault. plus, it is not a bad deal for him. i think the real downside for him is favre's arm. he may have developed this after seeing your other trade, but no dice for him. Edited October 13, 2010 by Bier Meister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Tell him to stick it up his piehole and he can be commish next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Tell him to stick it up his piehole and he can be commish next year. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I've had so many arguments and fights with friends over fantasy sports... in the end it's the friendship that matters most. If anything reverse it, and he will value your friendship even more... and he'll owe you "one" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I've had so many arguments and fights with friends over fantasy sports... in the end it's the friendship that matters most. If anything reverse it, and he will value your friendship even more... and he'll owe you "one" Sorry I can't agree with this ... if he does this it sets an awful precedent. He has to explain to the other owner that a trade made is a done deal and that as the commissioner of the league he can't be in the business of reversing trades when one of the owners has buyers remorse. I'd even mention to him that the fact that he is lying about his original intentions to accept/reject the trade as evidenced by the starting lineup he submitted isn't helping the friendship or his cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 he's being a disingenuous ass. f him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I forgot to mention that he yelled at me for not starting Forte last weekend and said to trade him if I was not going to start him. So I made him an offer and he accepted it. I might have considered it a mistake, MIGHT HAVE, if he had not already submitted his lineup for this week using his new players. It is times like these that being the Commish among good friends kinda sucks. Not to make this a rate my trade post, but Is Forte/Moss for CJ such a bad trade? I do not think so. Funny, I was thinking about offering the CJ owner in my league Forte/Moss. The answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a superior starting lineup plus CJ and minus Forte and Moss. Clearly, CJ is an upgrade over Forte. So if your other WRs aren't significantly worse than Moss, you're good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Sorry I can't agree with this ... if he does this it sets an awful precedent. He has to explain to the other owner that a trade made is a done deal and that as the commissioner of the league he can't be in the business of reversing trades when one of the owners has buyers remorse. I'd even mention to him that the fact that he is lying about his original intentions to accept/reject the trade as evidenced by the starting lineup he submitted isn't helping the friendship or his cause. That's okay. i meant to imply that you can choose your friend or fantasy, whichever is more important to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 That's okay. i meant to imply that you can choose your friend or fantasy, whichever is more important to you. It isn't a matter of which is important to you ... just because you are life long friends doesn't give you the freedom to throw the rules out the window and set such a horrible precedent. If you reverse this trade ... the time will come when another owner will want a trade reversed ... or a starter changed ... or a waiver reversed ... nope can't go down that path. What you are implying is that friendship trumps the rules. What about the other owners in the league - do their friendships count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhabums Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 That's okay. i meant to imply that you can choose your friend or fantasy, whichever is more important to you. If your friend needs you to choose him over a fantasy league, it's time to question the friendship. You can't just decide to change the rules of your league. Of course, he could offer the trade in reverse and maybe ask for a little something extra. [a reach around?) But pissing off the rest of the owners for the sake of one is just plain dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosGatosEnFuegos Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I sent Moss and Forte to another owner for Chris Johnson. He accepted, submitted his lineup for this week with his new players and then proceeded to call me tonight and say he wants the trade reversed because he meant to reject it. Curious about timeframe. Time of offer. Time of acceptance. Time of lineup submission. Time of call to reverse trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Grits nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Grits nailed it. useless without pocs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I am the commish of my local league that is in its 18th year. 8 of the 10 guys are originals from 1993. VERY competitive redraft league, never any trades, etc. That is until today. I am a lucky 4-1 right now, but have some gaping holes that have made me uneasy all season. Drafted out of the 8 spot and took 3 WR's in first 4 rounds so I have had the QB carousel and mediocre RB's (not to mention injuries) making each week a struggle to pull out the win. Today I pulled off two trades that I think really helped my team. I sent Mathews and Vick to one owner for Orton. No issues there. I sent Moss and Forte to another owner for Chris Johnson. He accepted, submitted his lineup for this week with his new players and then proceeded to call me tonight and say he wants the trade reversed because he meant to reject it. Mad as hell at me that I told him to forget it. He accepted and that made it final. No buyers remorse or second thoughts once you say yes to a trade. He is only asking me to reverse it because we are friends and I am the commish. He knows if it was between him and any other owner I would also say forget it. I hate to have an original owner and good friend pissed at me, but I gotta stick by my guns and not reverse the trade just because he had second thoughts or blames it on his phone. Help me through this crappy situation. not that it should matter, but what is the time frame between him accepting and him setting his lineup and/or calling you? I wouldnt reverse it unless I 100% am confident it was a honest mistake. If I detect buyers remorse I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 It sounds like buyers remorse and putting your friendship on the line to try and get you to reverse it. If it were a mistake, it's his to bear, not yours and if he chooses to dissolve and long relationship over something as petty as FFB (Yeah, yeah, bite your tongue) , then honestly, he's not a true friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Your "great friend" is in desperate need of a life and is obviously full of it. If he didn't mean to accept it, why did he set his lineup with it? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 If your league has an assistant commissioner or someone who is supposed to step in to help with rulings that involve the commissioner, you should use that person. Both you and your friend should explain the facts (and only the facts) to that person so they can decide whether or not this trade meets whatever requirements need to be met in order to get reversed. If you have no such person, you should probably find one. I say this because the commissioner should normally have two owners to discuss the situation with in order to determine the correct decision, and it just isn't possible to get an objective ruling since it involves you. I'm mainly saying this because, even though you are being honest about this, the perception in the league could be different. They see an owner crying foul about a trade they didn't mean to make and a commissioner saying "too bad, so sad". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I think he is getting a better deal in the trade, so he should just suck it up. If he accepted it and then called you right away to say it was a mistake, thats one thing. But he probably looked at his new lineup and didn't like the way it looked. Fantasy football is just a game. But if your going to play you have to play by the rules One thing I do is I never accept a bind trade offer nor do I send them. I feel you should talk to the person about possible trades, get specifics settled, agree in principle and then submit it through the league website. Most blind trade offers that come my way are looking for one or two of my best players for 2 or 3 guys that shouldn't even be on a fantasy roster. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbrake Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Give the man his one time break and switch it back 17 years is a long time.The rest of the league will turn on you and tarnish your year if you would happen to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I think the time frame is an important issue here, but if the guy set his lineup with the new players, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Did he think Moss and Forte magically appeared on his roster? There are two sides to every story. What is his defense/logic in favor of reversing the trade? He hit the wrong button? I agree with the earlier poster that you should always verbally negotiate trades (sober if possible) and have the other owner propose it on the league site if you are the commish. This avoids a lot of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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