Grits and Shins Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Big Ben on a QB keeper fumbles the ball diving for the EZ. Originally ruled a TD. On review clearly NOT a TD. PIT keeps the ball because there wasn't clear evidence on who recovered the ball. I thought a fumble into the EZ was a touchback ... so either it is a TD or a touchback ... how can it be 4th and goal on the 1 yard line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 A fumble that goes OUT of the end zone is a touchback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 According to the refs explanation, because they didn't have conclusive evidence of who recovered the fumble, they couldn't call it a TD (If PIT recovered) or a Touchback (If Miami recovered). According to his explanation, by rule, it remains with the Steelers at the spot of the fumble. I've never seen that situation before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 According to the refs explanation, because they didn't have conclusive evidence of who recovered the fumble, they couldn't call it a TD (If PIT recovered) or a Touchback (If Miami recovered). According to his explanation, by rule, it remains with the Steelers at the spot of the fumble. I've never seen that situation before. Wow. Replay fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Wow. Replay fail. Part of the problem is that the ref had ruled it a TD, so, some of those battling for the ball on both sides thought the play was over and stopped battling. Definitely a f'd up play that I'm sure will be talked about plenty this week. Edited October 24, 2010 by Menudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 FWIW replay can't be used to determine possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 How can replay reverse HALF of the play. Clearly a fumble. Clearly the ball was recovered in the EZ by one team or the other. Seems to me that either it should be a TD because the fumble recovery was inconclusive OR it should be a touchback for MIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 FWIW replay can't be used to determine possession. That is NOT what the ref said. He said that there were two parts required for the replay ... 1) was it a fumble and 2) which team recovered the fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 That is NOT what the ref said. He said that there were two parts required for the replay ... 1) was it a fumble and 2) which team recovered the fumble. Yep no way it should of been Pitts ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Pitt has been the luckiest team in all of football over the last several years. At least a botched play couldn't have benefited a better guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Yep no way it should of been Pitts ball So, why should it be Miami's ball, if there wasn't conclusive evidence that they recovered it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) So, why should it be Miami's ball, if there wasn't conclusive evidence that they recovered it ? I agree. Either the replay is conclusive and it is a TD because PIT recovered the ball in the EZ or it is MIA ball on the 20 because they recovered the ball in the EZ. -OR- The replay is inconclusive in its entirety and the original call stands. I don't understand how they can pick and choose what to take from the replay for a partial reversal. Edited October 24, 2010 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Pitt has been the luckiest team in all of football over the last several years. At least a botched play couldn't have benefited a better guy. The over under was 30 minutes. Those betting the under are in the money. Look, I"m not going to get into defending the call, and I'll let those that think the Steelers are lucky or that the league is helping them do their thing. It was a weird play, and I'm not sure how they were supposed to rule it. If it was clearly a fumble, but, they couldn't tell who recovered it in the endzone, what do you do ? Also, add into that whistles being blown because it was ruled a TD, and players stopping their battle for the ball because they thought the play was over. F'd up situation, no matter how you look at it. What no one will talk about is that the Dolphins got the ball with about 2 minutes left, needing to drive for a field goal, and they didn't get it done. This was a great game, it is a shame that ONLY that f'd up situation will be talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 Also, add into that whistles being blown because it was ruled a TD, and players stopping their battle for the ball because they thought the play was over. While I understand the merit of this argument it certainly didn't look to me like a SINGLE player on the field stopped playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 So, why should it be Miami's ball, if there wasn't conclusive evidence that they recovered it ? Because there was conclusive evidence ,,, that's my point ,,, just watch it a few times for yourself and tell me what you see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 When in doubt, err on the side of the Steelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 The play should have never been ruled a TD. That was an extremely fortuitous botched call, someone in that organization has sold their soul to the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 The play should have never been ruled a TD. That was an extremely fortuitous botched call, someone in that organization has sold their soul to the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 When in doubt, err on the side of the Steelers. Stealer's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 The play should have never been ruled a TD. That was an extremely fortuitous botched call, someone in that organization has sold their soul to the devil. You are right, it should have never been ruled a TD, and it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Rookie Me........ Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I like it, hopefully we get Seattle in the Superbowl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Because there was conclusive evidence ,,, that's my point ,,, just watch it a few times for yourself and tell me what you see Completely agree. Miami recovered that ball without a shadow of doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Completely agree. Miami recovered that ball without a shadow of doubt. No no...ask Menudo and then after that ask Cowboyz1 how good his team is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Just watched it again. The refs definitely botched the play in this regard. After it was ruled a TD, the refs acted as if the play was over. They did not dig into the pile to determine who had recovered, like they normally do when a fumble scrum is going on. They have to know that they need to finish the play, when it is questionable whether the TD was the correct call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) No no...ask Menudo and then after that ask Cowboyz1 how good his team is. You love these situations more than anyone in the world. It allows you to do what you are dying to do. Congrats. Yes, I have been bragging about the Steelers non-stop. I don't know how anyone can take it. What makes me laugh the most is that the Seahawks are currently playing their game, and you are here crying over a Steelers win 5 YEARS LATER. Edited October 24, 2010 by Menudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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