Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I am in a 12 team local league that has been together for 11 years. Its almost impossible to change anything in our league. We have a free for all waivers system. It has never really been an issue before but I have been noticing that everytime I go to pick someone up the one guy who is not local has already picked the guy up. Now he lives on the west coast. So my question is do you think the 3 hour time difference gives him an unfair advantage at pickups? For example he picked up Jon Kitna at 6:30 pm PST which would have been 9:30 EST our time. We charge $5 a transaction and he just rifles through transactions. It may just be a coincidence this year but every single person I wanted to grab he has already beaten me to the punch. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 One other note - He is also the only guy in the league not married with kids. So that could more of a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 One other note - He is also the only guy in the league not married with kids. So that could more of a factor. That's ridiculous. I'd kick him out of the league until he gets married and has a kid. At a minimum, at least until he gets a girlfriend and a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbrake Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I would teach him a lesson and stay up til 9:30 and pick up a new RB right before him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 yeah, I think you have some sour grapes you're mashing. He's doing nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 No - I am no saying he is doing anything wrong, I just think he has an unfair advantage. Not his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I guess I don't see it. Is 9:30 when you're giving the kids a bath? It's sour grapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah, I guess it is sour grapes. I might see if someone on this site wants to run my team for me next year. Working 70+ hours a week and spending time with the kids on the weekends leaves no room for fantasy football. I was trying to figure out if the time difference gave him a one up on free agents. But I guess not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I was trying to figure out if the time difference gave him a one up on free agents. But I guess not Well, it does, to a certain extent, if you have your ww open on Monday night during or right after the game. IMO, a ww should be closed during the games. I don't think that somebody should be penalized for going to the game, or working in the yard or doing anything but standing guard at a PC just waiting for an injury or some other reason to scoop up a player of the ww. I wouldn't play in a league where that was encouraged. So if you want first come first serve waivers pretty much all of the time, it seems to me that you could close your ww at 1:00 pm on Sunday and open it at noon EST or later on Tuesday. Or restructure it altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osu1322 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I'm not going to lie if my leauge had a waiver system like that I'd say up late on whatever night waivers reset or allows for pick up and grab who I wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 the problem is your league's moronic waiver system. And stubborn owners for not realizing that and refusing to change it. Set up a waiver priority system that is fair (i.e based on reverse order of standings each week followed by rolling). Put all FAs on waivers 1:00 Sunday. Set a deadline for claims to be submitted i.e. 9pm Eastern time on Tuesdays. Waiver claims to be processed after the deadline. This gives everyone a fair and reasonable time to make waiver claims. Gives no one an unfair advantage. The way your league does it now would never fly in most leagues. I'm surprised there haven't been any issues all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 I think most of the people don't really care. They love the league the way it is. But it gives the guy that sits home on a Sunday watching all the games while logged into the league the best chance at picking up that weeks hottest free agents. Even if I sit home and watch football on Sundays I still don't make the pickup when available becuase I am usually having a good time with friends and I just don't care at that point. Maybe I am just fantasy footballed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I think most of the people don't really care. They love the league the way it is. But it gives the guy that sits home on a Sunday watching all the games while logged into the league the best chance at picking up that weeks hottest free agents. Even if I sit home and watch football on Sundays I still don't make the pickup when available becuase I am usually having a good time with friends and I just don't care at that point. Maybe I am just fantasy footballed out. And this is why free for all pickups at all times is not an ideal set up for fantasy football (yes, this is an opinion). At minimum close it during the games, at best lobby to have the system changed so that at minimum there is a waiver or bid period prior to the first come first serve period. He is doing nothing wrong and has no advantage over anyone as everyone is free to pick up a player at any time they want. His only advantage may be availability during games to watch and make moves, but everyone has the chance to do that in your league, most apparently aren't. You are not the only person on this site working 60-70 hour weeks, spending what time they can with kids, lugging them to practice in the evenings and games on the weekends and being happy if they can catch more than a quarter of football over the weekend much less have a chance to breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Well, it does, to a certain extent, if you have your ww open on Monday night during or right after the game. IMO, a ww should be closed during the games. I don't think that somebody should be penalized for going to the game, or working in the yard or doing anything but standing guard at a PC just waiting for an injury or some other reason to scoop up a player of the ww. I wouldn't play in a league where that was encouraged. So if you want first come first serve waivers pretty much all of the time, it seems to me that you could close your ww at 1:00 pm on Sunday and open it at noon EST or later on Tuesday. Or restructure it altogether. This And this is why free for all pickups at all times is not an ideal set up for fantasy football (yes, this is an opinion). At minimum close it during the games, at best lobby to have the system changed so that at minimum there is a waiver or bid period prior to the first come first serve period. He is doing nothing wrong and has no advantage over anyone as everyone is free to pick up a player at any time they want. His only advantage may be availability during games to watch and make moves, but everyone has the chance to do that in your league, most apparently aren't. You are not the only person on this site working 60-70 hour weeks, spending what time they can with kids, lugging them to practice in the evenings and games on the weekends and being happy if they can catch more than a quarter of football over the weekend much less have a chance to breathe. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So you're saying that when it's 9:30 at your place, it's only 6:30 at his place? Yea, that's totally unfair that he can stay up later than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I guess I am missing something. The game was played in Dallas with what a 8:30 PM EST Kickoff? So at kickoff it was: 8:30 PM on the east coast 7:30 PM in Dallas and 5:30 PM on the west coast So at 6:30 PM on the West Coast the game had been going on for 1 hour and was viewable nationwide. Therefore the information that Romo was injured would have been available to anyone watching or listening to or even just following the game on live nfl.com So at 9:30 EST, 8:30 CST or even 6:30 PST anyone anywhere could have went out and grabbed Kitna, right? The only advantage I can see your West Coast Owner having is that he doesn't hesitate to pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 the problem is your league's moronic waiver system. And stubborn owners for not realizing that and refusing to change it. Set up a waiver priority system that is fair (i.e based on reverse order of standings each week followed by rolling). Put all FAs on waivers 1:00 Sunday. Set a deadline for claims to be submitted i.e. 9pm Eastern time on Tuesdays. Waiver claims to be processed after the deadline. This gives everyone a fair and reasonable time to make waiver claims. Gives no one an unfair advantage. The way your league does it now would never fly in most leagues. I'm surprised there haven't been any issues all these years. Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Limit the bench. I the one money league I have with the free-for-all system, we are only allowed three players on the bench; one QB, one RB, and one WR/TE. It makes folks churn those free agents (@ $2.00 a transaction). You can play free agent bingo if you want, but if you miss, you are going to owe beau coup bucks at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 You really need to change your waiver system - that's all. All players go on waivers the second their respective game starts and stay there until Wednesday morning. My 2 leagues used to be run like yours but people got sick of it real quick - you can't give a HUGE advantage to someone simply because they're a loser (which is essentially what this equates to). No offense intended to the many losers (myself included) who post here . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 We have a four man bench, with $5 transactions fees. First 5 transactions are free. Yeah, I guess I am making this more than it is. Just wanted to see everyone's opinions. Thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 One other note: The west coast owner always pays the most in transaction fees by a longshot every year. So yes, he picks up a lot of crap along the way. And he has never won the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 One other note: The west coast owner always pays the most in transaction fees by a longshot every year. So yes, he picks up a lot of crap along the way. And he has never won the league. All the better for you guys then. That said, I'd still change the waiver rule - it makes no sense to have open FAs during games, especially when you've got a league full of people married with kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I live on the West coast and am in a 14-team league where the majority of owners, including the commissioner, live in the DC area. We have priority rolling waivers that run Wednesday evening. Open waivers start at 9 am EST on Thursday. I almost always make my waiver pickups during priority waivers because there's no way I'm getting up at 6 am my time to pick anyone up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBARED Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Ours is a free for all too but closes at noon on Sunday and reopens at 8:00 AM Tuesday morning. That's fair for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brg88tx Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 do you realize that 9:30 eastern time and 6:30 pacific time is the exact same point in time? from the sound of your question i don't think you realize this. don't whine cause he's quicker than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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