tallguylehigh Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Ok, with Romo's departure, I wonder if it is worth re-evaluating the Dallas receiving corps. Kitna seemed to focus on the shorter passes to Dez and Witten, so does that hurt the value of Williams or Austin? How would you rank the Dallas WR receiving corps today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimal Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I personally think Witten will get a lot more targets, the value of Austin & Bryant will fluctuate while Williams you can safely cut.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) I may be of the minority opinion but I don't think anyone's stock really takes a hit. They were all up and down with Romo anyway. Roy Williams caught 82 passes for 1310 yards and 7 TDs from Jon Kitna in 2006 in Detroit. You aren't benching Austin regardless. Dez Bryant remains a great WR3 or flex. Edited October 26, 2010 by JUMbotron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I maybe be of the minority opinion but I don't think anyone's stock really takes a hit. They were all up and down with Romo anyway. Roy Williams caught 82 passes for 1310 yards and 7 TDs from Jon Kitna in 2006 in Detroit. You aren't benching Austin regardless. Dez Bryant remains a great WR3 or flex. I agree, and Dallas is probably going to have to throw alot because their defense isn't playing up to their expectations right now. Kitna isn't Romo, but he's still decent that can get the ball to his receivers. He will even force the ball at times. If I had to pick anyone getting a hit, I would say Austin takes the biggest hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Kitna is no stranger to high profile WRs. Recall he was the QB for Chad Johnson's breakout year in Cincy too. I don't think Dallas needs to drastically change the game plan and Kitna can execute well enough for fantasy purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) They are going to have to make some adjustments, because Kitna just can't do some of the things Romo can do. Just keep in mind, some of Austin's best work came from quick passes out in the flat, or working in the slot for slants. Kitna should be able to at least do that. It is the downfield stuff that will suffer the most. I'm heavily invested in Miles Austin, and as much as I'd like to live in denial I am already bracing myself for the reality. Austin has been spotty even with Romo. I say he is downgraded, as is everybody except maybe Witten. Kitna has always been one of my fantasy "pets" but to expect any kind of a miracle here at this stage of his career is just wishful thinking. I knew I should have drafted Roddy White. Edited October 26, 2010 by rattsass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 At 1-5 are they even sure to go to Kitna? Wouldn't this be a great time to work Stephen McGee in and see what he's got/give him a chance to get some real game reps? He's quite mobile and can protect himself behind that disastrous O-line far better than Kitna can. Is it too early at 1-5 to pack in the season? Is going to McGee really even packing it in? Kid was a 4th rounder so got some talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGB Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 At 1-5 are they even sure to go to Kitna? Wouldn't this be a great time to work Stephen McGee in and see what he's got/give him a chance to get some real game reps? He's quite mobile and can protect himself behind that disastrous O-line far better than Kitna can. Is it too early at 1-5 to pack in the season? Is going to McGee really even packing it in? Kid was a 4th rounder so got some talent. Just because he was taken in the 4th rd doesn't mean he has talent. Most analysts didn't even think he would get drafted at all. Livign in Texas and watching him play at A&M, I was shocked to see him go in the 4th. He has looked nothing short of terrible in preseason and in practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Seems like it might be worth waiting to see how Kitna does with a week to prep before start making statements like "cut Roy Williams". Kitna played with Williams in Detroit. It's possible the two could have some chemistry. Granted, Dez did appear to steal the show last night, but once Kitna gets more time to prep with the first team, we might get a better read on the value of the WR corps and Witten. I was actually thinking Austin might be a decent buy low for a panicked owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I'm heavily invested in Miles Austin, and as much as I'd like to live in denial I am already bracing myself for the reality. Austin has been spotty even with Romo. I say he is downgraded, as is everybody except maybe Witten. Kitna has always been one of my fantasy "pets" but to expect any kind of a miracle here at this stage of his career is just wishful thinking. pretty much my thoughts. kitna is a serviceable backup, but...austin takes a hit, witten not much if any...the other guys it's kind of hard to tell (but it's been hard to tell with them all year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Just because he was taken in the 4th rd doesn't mean he has talent. Most analysts didn't even think he would get drafted at all. Livign in Texas and watching him play at A&M, I was shocked to see him go in the 4th. He has looked nothing short of terrible in preseason and in practices. Look at what he was coming out of HS... He was a highly touted pro style QB. He then got caught up in a coaching change and a bad situation in Aggieland. He has all of the tools, but playing in College Station he couldn't show it. Don't write him off so quick. He couldn't have been a worse fit in that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I don't think Dallas needs to drastically change the game plan They've needed to drastically change the game plan for weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 You aren't benching Austin regardless. Watch me. After 2 monster games to open the year he's sucked - REALLY REALLY sucked - 3 out of 4 games. And now Kitna is the QB? Just watch me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I don't know. Maybe its because I'm a jaded Detroit guy,but I think that you're going to be sorely disappointed if you expect much from Kitna. I think that everybody drops, Witten maybe less than the others. Its been 3 years since his last of 2 pretty good years with Detroit (2007). He didn't play a down last year. The guy is a turnover machine. He's awful in the 4th quarter. I bet you see that other guy in 3 or 4games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Austin, Williams, Bryant, Witten, Felix..... Give Kitna a real week of practice, he'll be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Austin, Williams, Bryant, Witten, Felix.....Give Kitna a real week of practice, he'll be just fine. He'll be fine against the Jags for sure. It is all the weeks after that I'm leery about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 There are 2 ways to look at this. Kitna as a Fantasy QB and Kitna's fantasy affect on his WR's. While I would never want to rely on Kitna as my Fantasy QB, due to his ability to match each TD with an INT, I do think it is a good idea to have the WR's he is throwing to. In his last 2 seasons in Detroit he threw for over 4000 each year and completed over 62% of his passes while throwing right around 20 TD's. A QB doesn't throw for over 4000 yds without having the ability to get the ball downfield and he actually spread the ball around very well in 2006 & 2007 while starting in Detroit. In 2006, as already mentioned above, Roy E had 1300 yds and 7 TD's but Mike Furrrey(remember him?) also had almost 1100 yds and did get 6 TD's. And the TE's Dan Campbell & Pollard combined for 408 yds and 4 TD's. In 2007 Kitna had 3 WR's with at or over 800yds and 4 or more TD"s. They were Shaun McDonald, Roy E & megatron. So he knows how to get the ball to the open WR. While Romo is obviously the better QB both in the NFL and fantasy I really think you can expect Roy, Miles & Jason to continue to produce at a high level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgedp Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I was surprised to see Austin ranked #4 in the "Rest of the Year" rankings. Maybe I'm panicking too much with Austin? You make good points about Kitna, but he got those numbers with Martz. Hopefully Garrett can do something with him. Romo, with that oline, going down against the Giants? In hindsight, I should've seen this coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I personally think Witten will get a lot more targets, the value of Austin & Bryant will fluctuate while Williams you can safely cut.. Cut Williams...please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) I was surprised to see Austin ranked #4 in the "Rest of the Year" rankings. Maybe I'm panicking too much with Austin? You make good points about Kitna, but he got those numbers with Martz. Hopefully Garrett can do something with him. Romo, with that oline, going down against the Giants? In hindsight, I should've seen this coming. Romo has been putting up BIG numbers with Garrett so there is no reason to think that Kitna won't get plenty of chances to throw the ball around. eta: And remember, Dallas chose Kitna based on his skill set and how it matched up to their scheme. Edited October 27, 2010 by Jrick35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Even with the rosiest picture you can paint, this week versus Jacksonville is their last game with a favorable passing matchup. The schedule beyond has NO easy passing matchups. I see no reason for optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Even with the rosiest picture you can paint, this week versus Jacksonville is their last game with a favorable passing matchup. The schedule beyond has NO easy passing matchups. I see no reason for optimism. Hmm and yet after the Jags this week, Dallas will face 5 Teams with a Pass Defense currently ranked 14th or worse, including: Week 11 in Dallas against Detroit - 19th Ranked pass D Week 15 in Dallas against Washington - 31st ranked pass D (Playoff Week) Week 16 in Arizona - 21st ranked pass D (Championship Week) And face only 2 Teams whose pass D's are ranked above 11th, including Week 10 in New York against the Giants - 2nd ranked pass d Week 12 in Dallas against the Saints - 3rd ranked pass D All other macthups are with Pass D's ranked between 11 & 18 I would call weeks 11, 15 & 16 favorable Weeks 10 & 12 unfavorable Weeks 9, 13, 14 good matchups And again, I would not use Kitna but hie WR's will produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Kitna is no stranger to high profile WRs. Recall he was the QB for Chad Johnson's breakout year in Cincy too. I don't think Dallas needs to drastically change the game plan and Kitna can execute well enough for fantasy purposes. If by game plan you mean the one involving 'fumbles, picks and flags' , I imagine they'll keep working from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Even with the rosiest picture you can paint, this week versus Jacksonville is their last game with a favorable passing matchup. The schedule beyond has NO easy passing matchups. I see no reason for optimism. Not only that, he may not make it past the week 10 game at the Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Not only that, he may not make it past the week 10 game at the Giants Yeah, there is that to consider. I'm not saying he can't float your fantasy teams for awhile, but Kitna may meet the same fate as the more mobile Romo did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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