joeyb7 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 I didn't see it, but if any defender talked trash after he was obviously unconscious I wish the same upon them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Not according to today's NFL rules. (f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures, including but not limited to: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; or (2) Lowering the head and violently or unnecessarily making forcible contact with the “hairline” or forehead part of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body; or (3) “Launching” (springing forward and upward) into a defenseless player, or otherwise striking him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet or facemask to forcibly strike the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the defenseless player’s neck. (Examples: a defender buries his facemask into a defenseless player’s high chest area, but the defender’s trajectory as he leaps into the defenseless player causes the defender’s helmet to strike the defenseless player violently in the head or face; or a defender, using a face-on posture or with his head slightly lowered, hits a defenseless player in an area below the defenseless player’s neck, then the defender’s head moves upward, resulting in strong contact by the defender’s mask or helmet with the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face [an example is the so-called “dip and rip” technique]). Note: The provisions of section (f) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or noncrown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent. (g) if the initial force of the contact by a defender’s helmet (including facemask), forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless player. Note: Defenseless players in (f) and (g) shall include (i) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (ii) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (iii) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (iv) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (v) a player on the ground at the end of a play. Note: Launching is defined as springing forward and upward by a player who leaves his feet to make contact on the receiver. the league is already trying to cover their officials call saying that the flag was because Collie hadn't yet gotten his second foot down....at least the color guys are able to talk about it in an unbiased manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 does anyone have any updates on his status Settle down bud everyone wants to know how he is and they will update when they know. He was carried off on a stretcher only a short time ago probably won't hear till sometime in second half of these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowdemon Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 philly fans are ridiculous. Helmet to helmet contact. Booing as Collie is down. ridiculous. You are ridiculous. Why not bring up Santa clause? It was only 50 years ago. People were booing the flag and non fumble call. Guess you missed the standing applause as he was removed from the field. Sad all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbran23 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 The helmet to helmet contact was incidental after the initial hit which was clean. What is the second defender supposed to do, stop in mid air after he sees that Collie isnt where he thought he was going to be. Total BS call and it ended up costing the Eagles big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Pennypacker Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 yeah it definitely was not a penalty. It wasn't a catch either. Anyone have any updates on collie? Can he move his legs? He was moving his legs before they put him on the board and stretcher. Simms also said he saw him moving his arms or hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Just watched it again ,,,,, nothing wrong with the hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Second straight week a Colts WR has been knocked out of a game. Last week on a late hit, and today a helmet-to-helmet hit on a defenseless receiver. Frustrating. defenseless? He was starting to run with the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 sitting up and alert is word on collie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 I agree the Philly safety should not be fined. I also have already said I don't think it's a cheap shot. But he did come in with his helmet first. When the ref sees that, and then helmet to helmet contact in a bang-bang type play, it's a penalty. Collie is sitting up and alert. Most likely a concussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 sitting up and alert is word on collie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 CBS said it's a concussion he is moving his extremities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 I agree the Philly safety should not be fined. I also have already said I don't think it's a cheap shot. But he did come in with his helmet first. When the ref sees that, and then helmet to helmet contact in a bang-bang type play, it's a penalty. Collie is sitting up and alert. Most likely a concussion. he did not lead with his helmet, he lead with his shoulder but when Collie got hit by the first guy he got redirected into his helmet, that's why it's incidental and that's why it's not a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moopyjiggles Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 whew. the way he was holding his hands in that seizure like state was very scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 You are ridiculous. Why not bring up Santa clause? It was only 50 years ago. People were booing the flag and non fumble call. Guess you missed the standing applause as he was removed from the field. Sad all around. Was more upset with Samuel running around throwing his hands up and yelling at the refs around Collie's limp body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 But he did come in with his helmet first. Inaccurate statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 that's all i want to know guys. I'm not tuned into every media outlet at the moment but it is quite disturbing to me when someone young like that suffers a serious spinal cord injury. So if you could just simply answer my question and not be a sarcastic prick I'd really appreciate it. Thanks sitting up and alert is word on collie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 Inaccurate statement. whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 You can't make a tackle in this league, injure a player and NOT get flagged. Ridiculous. In fairness to the refs this was totally a bang-bang play in real-time and the guy was out before he hit the ground. As an official you almost have to throw the flag, just as a reactionary measure. It happened so fast that, with all the protect the player emphasis, I'm not sure how they could have held the flag. No, it should not have been a penalty. The guy caught the ball and was making a move - he's now a runner and was albe to protect himself (he was actually ducking his head) so this is a "fair" hit. I'd love to see a way to avoid these kinds of plays as well but I'm not sure how you do it. Maybe just tell defenders "all helmet to helmet is a penalty - you take your chances leading with your head". It kind of sucks, but the NFL cannot allow these debilitating plays to happen. 20 years ago there were just big tough guys beating up on each other. Now, knowing what we do about head injuries and the risks around them, the game must evolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 whatever you are ridiculous, he did not lead with his helmet, he tried to hit him with his shoulder but when he got hit by the first guy Collie's trajectory changed and that's why he hit his helmet. I hate Homers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 I hate Homers He's giving Menudo a run for his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 In fairness to the refs this was totally a bang-bang play in real-time and the guy was out before he hit the ground. As an official you almost have to throw the flag, just as a reactionary measure. It happened so fast that, with all the protect the player emphasis, I'm not sure how they could have held the flag. No, it should not have been a penalty. The guy caught the ball and was making a move - he's now a runner and was albe to protect himself (he was actually ducking his head) so this is a "fair" hit. I'd love to see a way to avoid these kinds of plays as well but I'm not sure how you do it. Maybe just tell defenders "all helmet to helmet is a penalty - you take your chances leading with your head". It kind of sucks, but the NFL cannot allow these debilitating plays to happen. 20 years ago there were just big tough guys beating up on each other. Now, knowing what we do about head injuries and the risks around them, the game must evolve. it was a bang bang play...yet the NFL has already stated that the penalty was called because the 2nd foot wasn't down yet...there is no way in the world that any official could tell that in real time...but the point that he was out while unfortunate has nothing to do with if a flag should be thrown or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyr0802 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 you are ridiculous, he did not lead with his helmet, he tried to hit him with his shoulder but when he got hit by the first guy Collie's trajectory changed and that's why he hit his helmet. I hate Homers Don't label all homers. I personally see nothing wrong with the play, don't think the defender deserved a penalty and didn't see any leading with his head. There was head to head contact, after the initial hit knocked Collie into the second defender. Glad to hear Collie is aware and hopefully only concussed. I plan to attend open tryouts for WR though, not sure who there is left after White that can play. Taj Smith? Many of us could do just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 can't we all just get along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Hey Captain, how about McCoy getting his facemask grabbed while being taken down? No call there. I guess that is okay though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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