ttwarrior4 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 k williams,, rob gronkowski, troy smith, a fasano, j harrison, j gresham, k walter, k boss, e doucet, avant, caddy, d sproles, driver, james jones, r meacham, j ford are all free agents in 12 team league Would you drop your kicker and D to pick up a player, then sunday morning go to the waiver wire and pickup best available d and kicker? 2 day waivers in my league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 2 recent threads on this. Only ethical to pick up the player if you intend to keep him on your roster through the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Only ethical to pick up the player if you intend to keep him on your roster through the next week. According to who? Is there a "fantasy football ethics guide"? Not be a smartass, BJ, but each and every league has their own unique set of rules. if the OP's league doesn't have rules against it, it would be rather silly (especially in a big-money league) not to play to win. Two of the three main leagues I am in don't address it, and owners do it all the time....and no one has gotten upset with the "ethics", because everyone can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ48win Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Whether its ethical or not, its still a solid valid strategy. I used this very same strategy this year and picked up Vick off the WW to force a trade with another owner who was in dire need of a QB. This worked out great for both involved as he got the steal of the century in Vick for Greg Jennings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttwarrior4 Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 what if you keep the player you pick up and then drop a different player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 what if you keep the player you pick up and then drop a different player Not an issue then, as you are utilizing your roster spots. It's player churning that is generally frowned upon, except by swammi , where you say pick up all 3 available QBs and subsequently drop them thus locking them. As noted in some of the other mentioned threads, every league I run has one of two rules - either the player must remain on a roster until the following week (ie, you can trade the player, you just can't drop him), or any player dropped in the same week as they were picked up are not on waivers and are immediately available for pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Not an issue then, as you are utilizing your roster spots. It's player churning that is generally frowned upon, except by swammi , where you say pick up all 3 available QBs and subsequently drop them thus locking them. As noted in some of the other mentioned threads, every league I run has one of two rules - either the player must remain on a roster until the following week (ie, you can trade the player, you just can't drop him), or any player dropped in the same week as they were picked up are not on waivers and are immediately available for pick up. We charge $5 per waiver, that's quite the deterrent as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 We charge $5 per waiver, that's quite the deterrent as well. Indeed. But as long as there is no rule prohibiting churning it remains a viable strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 If you pick someone up, it means you are also: 1. likely dropping someone of value 2. cashing in your valuable waiver spot and moving to the back of the line, or; 3. using your valuable FA dollars, or; 4. using cash fee to make the transaction these are the costs of churning.....if you want to bear those costs, thats up to you. But there is nothing unethical about it, unless you are breaking a rule. FWIW, I have no problem if there was a rule against it, and in one league I am in, we have that rule in place. But that wasn't the OP's question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If you pick someone up, it means you are also: 1. likely dropping someone of value 2. cashing in your valuable waiver spot and moving to the back of the line, or; 3. using your valuable FA dollars, or; 4. using cash fee to make the transaction these are the costs of churning.....if you want to bear those costs, thats up to you. But there is nothing unethical about it, unless you are breaking a rule. FWIW, I have no problem if there was a rule against it, and in one league I am in, we have that rule in place. But that wasn't the OP's question. Except for the way most leagues are with a waiver run and then FCFS, and you have a guy in FCFS repeatedly picking up a player, then dropping that player to pick someone else up, and repeating the process as many times as needed to lock out a position. It utilizes at most 1 roster spot, in most leagues is a free move. Yes, I have less issue with it if each of the players must be bid on or paid for or if there are transaction fees associated, but in general am still opposed to the activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhmtns Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 The way I see it, if I invest time into reading articles, asking questions, and browsing forums like this one trying to acquire as much inside information and knowledge as I can, I've earned the right to pick up a valuable player and do whatever the hell I want with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttwarrior4 Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 on yahoo you can't pick up a player, then drop that player and then pick them up again unless the waiver time is up, 2 days in my league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 on yahoo you can't pick up a player, then drop that player and then pick them up again unless the waiver time is up, 2 days in my league Which is a system some people abuse. Say you happen to be in a deeper league and there are only 3 QBs on the wire that are going to play. An owner could pick one up, then immediately drop that player, thus locking them for 2 days, then pick up another one of the QBs, immediately drop then, thus locking a 2nd player for 2 days, and then pick up the 3rd and either hold on to them or drop them, again locking them up for 2 days. Theoretically, an owner could do this for every available player, not just a few. It is an action as noted above that is generally frowned upon, but, as some have noted, many consider anything not expressly forbidden in written rules to be fair game and is why many leagues have put rules in place to prevent this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If you pick someone up, it means you are also: 1. likely dropping someone of value 2. cashing in your valuable waiver spot and moving to the back of the line, or; 3. using your valuable FA dollars, or; 4. using cash fee to make the transaction these are the costs of churning.....if you want to bear those costs, thats up to you. But there is nothing unethical about it, unless you are breaking a rule. FWIW, I have no problem if there was a rule against it, and in one league I am in, we have that rule in place. But that wasn't the OP's question. This hits the mark. In my experience, this is only a problem in free or low dollar leagues, and those that don't charge transaction fees. All's fair in love and war, and almost everything in FF. After all, the object IS to WIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Which is a system some people abuse. Say you happen to be in a deeper league and there are only 3 QBs on the wire that are going to play. An owner could pick one up, then immediately drop that player, thus locking them for 2 days, then pick up another one of the QBs, immediately drop then, thus locking a 2nd player for 2 days, and then pick up the 3rd and either hold on to them or drop them, again locking them up for 2 days. Theoretically, an owner could do this for every available player, not just a few. I see that point....but this would only happen in FCFS. In almost every league I am in, there is a "waivers" period. If the other owner who is getting "locked out" wasn't smart enough to plan ahead and do something about his roster during the waivers period....who's fault is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 All's fair in love and war, and almost everything in FF. After all, the object IS to WIN! Dude, unless you're making your livelihood from it, or paying something like a $500 entry fee for the league, fantasy football is a silly game. Its not life or death. Its not war. Fantasy football involves a bunch of geeks that like to watch football having a little fun in the process. If you want to pull some Megan Foxy move like picking up all the decent TEs on the ww just to keep them out of the hands of a guy who lost his TEs to injury or screwed up on bye weeks or whatever because your rules allow it, more power to you. Its still a Megan Foxy move. To try to rationalize that by spouting something like the above is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Whether its ethical or not, its still a solid valid strategy. I used this very same strategy this year and picked up Vick off the WW to force a trade with another owner who was in dire need of a QB. This worked out great for both involved as he got the steal of the century in Vick for Greg Jennings. the problem with this is leagues that do not limit transactions for force dropped players to go through waivers. I thought to do this in another league was in. The guy didn't have a kicker and I realized that I could pick up a kicker and drop him (making him unavailable for two days) pick up another kicker and drop him... etc. If I was going to do it, I could not see not doing it all the way - but I couldn't bring myself to be so Megan Foxy - however much it may have been allowed for in the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I'm not a fan of picking up a player and then dropping him so the player is locked. However, I think the league rules should be changed so there's no such thing as locked players. I do believe in picking up players so they can't be used against you. I've been picking up players like Shaun Hill because I don't want them having their we are playing from way behind games used against me. Difference is that I'm keeping them on my roster for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I see that point....but this would only happen in FCFS. In almost every league I am in, there is a "waivers" period. If the other owner who is getting "locked out" wasn't smart enough to plan ahead and do something about his roster during the waivers period....who's fault is that? From a rules standpoint yes, and, also agree about not addressing the situation in waivers, but some leagues are set up in such a way that an owner may not want to waste a waiver pick on say a kicker (rolling waiver order that is not reset each week for example) or one where the minimum bid in waivers is higher than the cost for a FCFS pickup. But, to take you "lock out" to the extreme, what is to prvent an owner from picking up and dropping every single available player at the open of FCFS every week, essentially ending the FCFS period? This is why so many are citing general "good sportsmanship" and "ethical" reasons for not doing it. You pick up what you need or what you will keep on the roster. I have no issue if an owner goes in and picks up all 3 viable QBs in a given week to block another owner from getting one, so long as he uses 3 roster spots for those QBs and holds them for the week (or trades them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Dude, unless you're making your livelihood from it, or paying something like a $500 entry fee for the league, fantasy football is a silly game. Its not life or death. Its not war. Fantasy football involves a bunch of geeks that like to watch football having a little fun in the process. If you want to pull some Megan Foxy move like picking up all the decent TEs on the ww just to keep them out of the hands of a guy who lost his TEs to injury or screwed up on bye weeks or whatever because your rules allow it, more power to you. Its still a Megan Foxy move. To try to rationalize that by spouting something like the above is laughable. Apparently I touched a nerve or you're one of "those" type of "men". I did not say anything about life and death. I believe my reference was to love and war. It was rhetoric chief. Of course it's all for fun and entertainment. I didn't say anything about picking up "all the decent TE's". However, I will absolutely go out and grab a backup for an injured player if I can do so before the other manager whether I need that player or not. Basically, I'm just taking him off the board and may or may not drop him a few days later, assuring he's on waivers until the start of next week. I'm not sure what "Megan Foxy" is, is it this? (Megan Foxy McMegan Foxenstein)? Thank you for the feedback though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not everyone would agree with you. I think WW churning is wrong, but picking up and holding a player for the week is good strategy, but even then, some think that is ALSO wrong. We agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I'm not a fan of picking up a player and then dropping him so the player is locked. However, I think the league rules should be changed so there's no such thing as locked players. I do believe in picking up players so they can't be used against you. I've been picking up players like Shaun Hill because I don't want them having their we are playing from way behind games used against me. Difference is that I'm keeping them on my roster for a while. Define "for a while". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If you have to ask the question if the strategy borders on poor sportsmanship... you kind of already answered it. FWIW, both leagues I'm in have rules that you must keep a player you pick up for the remainder of the scoring period (the rest of the week). We had a couple of guys churning years ago, and the league overwhelmingly voted in the rule change. No problems ever since. I do plan on proposing an amendement in the off-season allowing a player to be dropped if placed on injured reserve or declared out, so that way an owner isn't screwed and forced to hold onto someone they just picked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K.Trey Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Regardless of league rules , "churning " is "Megan Foxy" , and you know what it means. Picking up and dropping players to make them "locked" for Sunday is the wrong thing to do , and everyone knows it. The fact that this question is even asked , tells you its not the right thing to do . Just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If you have to ask the question if the strategy borders on poor sportsmanship... you kind of already answered it. FWIW, both leagues I'm in have rules that you must keep a player you pick up for the remainder of the scoring period (the rest of the week). We had a couple of guys churning years ago, and the league overwhelmingly voted in the rule change. No problems ever since. I do plan on proposing an amendement in the off-season allowing a player to be dropped if placed on injured reserve or declared out, so that way an owner isn't screwed and forced to hold onto someone they just picked up. I suppose it's the difference between socialism and individualism. We have never had a problem with "churning" in my home league. Maybe it's a maturity thing.....who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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