giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 There is this ridiculous debate going on in my league right now. At any rate, did Best step on the field for at least a play Thursday? I think he was in for one play and ran a pass route according to many sites, but how can we confirm for sure? Any help would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 From RotoWorld, posted 11/25/10, below ... I've not looked at any other sites, or reviewed the game logs ... italics below are mine: Jahvid Best barely played in Thursday's loss to the Patriots and did not record a single touch. Best was in on the fourth play from scrimmage and ran an out route from the slot. After that, we didn't see him on the field again. It's clear that the Lions only have Best active as insurance -- his toes aren't allowing him to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 Thanks TS. Saw that also. Just wondering if there was someway we can prove it for sure. Likes snaps played or something. I think a few sites made it sound like he didn't play. I think he played one play like stated above though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) Best did NOT play according to the official nfl gamebook.... http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/5...ET_Gamebook.pdf according to the official nfl gamebook he is listed under DID NOT PLAY (under substitutions) edit: Also Profootballfocus.com doesn't have him playing any snaps (but you have to be a paid member to see that) also according to NFL.com he didn't start and didn't play(Zero under G means no play, Zero under GS means he didn't start) http://www.nfl.com/players/jahvidbest/gamelogs?id=BES682260 Edited November 29, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 Thanks Keg. That is why this is confusing. Some sites say he was in for a play, but the gamebook says no. I thought I saw him for a play also. Very weird situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Thanks Keg. That is why this is confusing. Some sites say he was in for a play, but the gamebook says no. I thought I saw him for a play also. Very weird situation. I just checked NFLN to see if they had the replay of the game available with OnDemand and it isn't available, at least not yet....but with that said the NFL Gamebook is official and where stats are generated from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 According to the Detroit Free Press, he was in for one play during the first series and then "disappeared.". link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I watched the game and I am pretty sure he went out and lined up as a WR for one play. I could not find any information leading up until game time that he would not play. They even had him in the starting lineup as shown on the TV broadcast. But as they were showing it Morris was lined up in the backfield for the first play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 This thread is proving my point exactly. This shouldn't be so complicated...LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Sure it's confusing, but does it matter in your league for some reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 I watched the game and I am pretty sure he went out and lined up as a WR for one play. I could not find any information leading up until game time that he would not play. They even had him in the starting lineup as shown on the TV broadcast. But as they were showing it Morris was lined up in the backfield for the first play. That part seems clear. If he did play a play (and I think he did) he was lined out out wide or in the slot and not in the traditional RB position. Maybe that is what's making this so tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 Sure it's confusing, but does it matter in your league for some reason? Yes. In one of my leagues if you start a guy and he DOES NOT PLAY AT ALL MEANING DOES NOT TOUCH THE FIELD you get whomever you designate as his backup prior to kickoff of the 1:00 games. So you need to have your full lineup in at 1. Can't change at 3:45 let's say. Don't love it, but that is the rule. And quite frankly it has never been an issue in my 14 years in the league. Normally it is cut and dry. Played a play or not. But this case is crazy as you see. To me the guy should get s*rewed anyway. He decided to let Best play over Tolbert. So he started a WAY less than 100% Best (who hasn't done anything since week 2) against a tough NE D over a Tolbert who was just about a lock to get 20 carries (and GL carries for sure) against an awful Colts run D. For that he should lose anyway. And for the record, I am not involved in the game. Just want to get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) Yes. In one of my leagues if you start a guy and he DOES NOT PLAY AT ALL MEANING DOES NOT TOUCH THE FIELD you get whomever you designate as his backup prior to kickoff of the 1:00 games. So you need to have your full lineup in at 1. Can't change at 3:45 let's say. Don't love it, but that is the rule. And quite frankly it has never been an issue in my 14 years in the league. Normally it is cut and dry. Played a play or not. But this case is crazy as you see. To me the guy should get s*rewed anyway. He decided to let Best play over Tolbert. So he started a WAY less than 100% Best (who hasn't done anything since week 2) against a tough NE D over a Tolbert who was just about a lock to get 20 carries (and GL carries for sure) against an awful Colts run D. For that he should lose anyway. And for the record, I am not involved in the game. Just want to get it right. Dude, that's waayyy to complicated. Someone likely got bent because he got knocked out of a play-off spot by a guy who beat someone who'd given up and didn't bother to change his line-up despite having a dude on bye. So this was how he proposed to "fix" it. And now there's likely a game in the balance because someone might get bailed out of a stupid line-up decision by the fact that some dude may have not seen the field so you actually need to check game logs and distill conflicting reports. It should never come to that. One of the rules I have always insisted upon is, if you need to go mining for any data that your league website doesn't download for you, you scrap that scoring rule. Edited November 29, 2010 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 Dude, that's waayyy to complicated. Someone likely got bent because he got knocked out of a play-off spot by a guy who beat someone who'd given up and didn't bother to change his line-up despite having a dude on bye. So this was how he proposed to "fix" it. And now there's likely a game in the balance because someone might get bailed out of a stupid line-up decision by the fact that some dude may have not seen the field so you actually need to check game logs and distill conflicting reports. It should never come to that. One of the rules I have always insisted upon is, if you need to go mining for any data that your league website doesn't download for you, you scrap that scoring rule. I don't disagree, but again not that huge a deal. Normally is cut and dry AND normally isn't an issue. In 14 years this is maybe the 1st time there was an issue. Maybe the 2nd at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I don't disagree, but again not that huge a deal. Normally is cut and dry AND normally isn't an issue. In 14 years this is maybe the 1st time there was an issue. Maybe the 2nd at worst. IF the game ends up being replayed by NFLN I will dvr it and run thru it to see if he played that play in the first series for you...i tried to search the net and couldn't find any game video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 IF the game ends up being replayed by NFLN I will dvr it and run thru it to see if he played that play in the first series for you...i tried to search the net and couldn't find any game video Thanks Keg. Like you said it would be that first series or bust. First few plays tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I was on the computer for 3 hours before kickoff and there was no inclination that Best was not playing. Everything said he was starting. If your a Best owner and did any kind of homework than you stated Best thinking he was going to tough out most of the game. And I swear I saw him lineup as a wideout. The annoucers even commented on it. But then he was gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 And I am surprised that not much more was made of this. I don't think Detriot ever planned on using Best in the game and I have no idea why they put him out their for that one play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathpig Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 On the broadcast I was watching, the announcers noted that Best was in for a play early in the game. He was lined up in the slot on the left side. I believe the play was a run to the right by Morris. That's the only time I heard his name involved with a play the entire game. Now, the announcers could have screwed up and it wasn't actually him (I wasn't paying that close attention), but they did mention him being in the one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 On the broadcast I was watching, the announcers noted that Best was in for a play early in the game. He was lined up in the slot on the left side. I believe the play was a run to the right by Morris. That's the only time I heard his name involved with a play the entire game. Now, the announcers could have screwed up and it wasn't actually him (I wasn't paying that close attention), but they did mention him being in the one time. I am almost 100% certain I saw him run onto the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Under his profile at NFL.com it says "News: Best (toe) did not record a carry in Thursday's loss to the Patriots." and his status was "Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats." That doesn't help at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I loathe Best and now hate the DET coaching staff more than any other team's for misleading the fantasy football crowd about Best's toes - if they were getting progressively worse, why say repeatedly that they're getting progressively better? They clearly just wanted to sabotage my season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Per CBS, he was indeed in for one play: Jahvid Best was active for the Lions' Week 12 game vs. the Patriots on Thanksgiving and even listed as the starter before the game on the official team web site. But Best was spotted on one play on the first series and didn't sniff the field again. Maurice Morris and Aaron Brown took on most of the rushing workload and were the primary contributors for Detroit's 129 rush yards. (Updated 11/25/2010). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Reviewed the tape, and he was indeed in on one play lined up in the slot. Thank you everyone for all the comments and help on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I loathe Best and now hate the DET coaching staff more than any other team's for misleading the fantasy football crowd about Best's toes - if they were getting progressively worse, why say repeatedly that they're getting progressively better? They clearly just wanted to sabotage my season. Turf toe is a very goofy injury. I had a bad case in college and it will STILL act up from time to time almost a decade later when playing basketball or flag football . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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