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Here's the situation. A league member due to personal issues has stopped managing his team. This began a few weeks ago when he had several players on bye. The following week he had 1 player on bye. The next week, he had no players on bye but one of his key players got knocked out of the game and put on IR. There was no real evidence that this was not just carelessness up to this point. I am co-commish but do not have the ability to change rosters - the other co-commish does. After realizing the team had most likely been abandoned, prior to last weeks game i sent an email to other commish asking him to switch out the key player for best available since he was on IR and it was clear at this point the other guy had abandoned his team. Commish was sick and didn't get message.

 

So now there's two weeks left before the playoffs. It seems to me, that since we're now aware that the team has been abandoned, we should substitute for the player on IR (his team is not very good but we would leave the rest of it alone). This team is out of the running but this impacts the playoff race.

 

The owner who is playing the abandoned team is going apesh!t that we are making the change this week. I agree it's slightly unfair but it's more unfair for the other teams vying for a playoff spot since most teams had to play the abandoned team when it had a full roster - with the exception of a couple weeks.

 

There was nothing in the rules to account for this scenario.

 

To the extent that it's relevant, this is pay league and the fees are somewhat significant.

 

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At this point, if other teams have benefited by the bad lineup, you have to leave it as is. If you substitute players to make the lineup legit, you might actually be making it unfair to those who have to play him, since everyone else basically got a free ride.

Yeah, I agree with this. If it's been going on for some time now and you're pretty sure about it then you gotta let it ride. It sucks to know that a team gets what is essentially a free pass but you seem awfully certain that other teams have already benefited from it. This week isn't any more important than any of the others just because it's the last one... it only feels like it.

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At this point, if other teams have benefited by the bad lineup, you have to leave it as is. If you substitute players to make the lineup legit, you might actually be making it unfair to those who have to play him, since everyone else basically got a free ride.

 

Agree. Have you contacted the owner and asked him to spend five freakin' seconds to put a valid lineup in? I updated my lineup from my smartphone while my dad was having major surgery. Just an example.

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At this point, if other teams have benefited by the bad lineup, you have to leave it as is. If you substitute players to make the lineup legit, you might actually be making it unfair to those who have to play him, since everyone else basically got a free ride.

I was going to post the exact thing that CD did. We had this happen in a low dollar local league this season and decided exactly what CD posted.

CD is wise.

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ok. i see the argument that a few teams have benefited already. The counter argument to that is that 1) we weren't aware that the team had been adandoned and 2) The only game that would have switched from a win to a loss was to a team that is also not going to make the playoffs. The other games would not have been impacted. So up to this point, none of the team vying for a playoff spot has been impacted.

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ok. i see the argument that a few teams have benefited already. The counter argument to that is that 1) we weren't aware that the team had been adandoned and 2) The only game that would have switched from a win to a loss was to a team that is also not going to make the playoffs. The other games would not have been impacted. So up to this point, none of the team vying for a playoff spot has been impacted.

Except that a team actually being run by someone would likely have picked players up and/or attempted to make trades to improve what is apparently a weak team.

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Except that a team actually being run by someone would likely have picked players up and/or attempted to make trades to improve what is apparently a weak team.

 

true, but at a minimum shouldn't we at least play a full team? Isn't that the fairest to everyone since for the first 9 weeks all the other teams had to play this team when it was playing a full roster?

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I think there should be a rule that says any abandoned team will have their line up set by the rankings of (CBS, Rotoworld or whatever) each week. I think the commishes are at fault for not flagging this when the abandoned team was starting players on byes. One week of that nonsense is enough.

 

As for the owner complaining that he wants to start against a roster with a guaranteed zero, tell him if he can't beat this lousy abandoned team he doesn't deserve to win. How does another owner who has not "benefitted" from this but is going after the same playoff spot feel about it? Is it fair to THAT owner to have a zero in this roster's line up? I'd be screaming bloody murder.

 

The commishes waited too long to adress the problem. Better late than never. Make sure that this roster has players who will play.

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I think there should be a rule that says any abandoned team will have their line up set by the rankings of (CBS, Rotoworld or whatever) each week. I think the commishes are at fault for not flagging this when the abandoned team was starting players on byes. One week of that nonsense is enough.

 

As for the owner complaining that he wants to start against a roster with a guaranteed zero, tell him if he can't beat this lousy abandoned team he doesn't deserve to win. How does another owner who has not "benefitted" from this but is going after the same playoff spot feel about it? Is it fair to THAT owner to have a zero in this roster's line up? I'd be screaming bloody murder.

 

The commishes waited too long to adress the problem. Better late than never. Make sure that this roster has players who will play.

 

Yes, there should be a rule and we will put that in for next year.

 

I agree with you that the owner is being a little bit of a p*ssy.

 

Yes, other owners will be b*tching if we leave the zero in there.

 

Yes, the commish waited too long to address the problem. Partly fault of commish (of which i am one ) for not paying closer attention.

 

Full disclosure: My team is not impacted at all by this decision.

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Given that no team of any consequence has benefited from the situation as of yet, the guy playing him is being a pu$$y. Plain and simple. He's looking for an easy track to the play-offs and is using the fact that you've finally decided to step in now as an excuse to make a big deal about it. Chances are, the abandoned dude's team probably sucks anyway because he stopped managing it. I mean, you're not replacing his IRed player with some hot FA, you're replacing him with a warm body on his roster that is actually active. And, given the level to which this team was being managed, I'm guessing it's not some juicy start.

 

So I think you guys should act as you were thinking was right to begin with and start a roster. Then tell the bitch ass who's complaining to grow a sack. Or tuck his inside and get the hormone therapy needed to make his transformation official.

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are you paid to be the commish?

 

If so, you suck.

 

If not, then the other owners suck. If the commishes are volunteers, then it falls to the ENTIRE league to make sure it runs properly. In my leagues, when an owner drops the ball and fields an incomplete line up, someone says something.

 

not being paid.

 

so first week this happened, there was no way of knowing it was going to happen. Like i said, guy is going through personal issues so hasn't been coming to work. but we should've monitored team after that point and made sure no bye players were in there. i didn't have ability to switch rosters so i couldn't do it. the other commish just had a baby and pays less attention than he should.

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are you paid to be the commish?

 

If so, you suck.

 

If not, then the other owners suck. If the commishes are volunteers, then it falls to the ENTIRE league to make sure it runs properly. In my leagues, when an owner drops the ball and fields an incomplete line up, someone says something.

 

I think the tone of your post sucks, how 'bout that? How about just adressing the topic without all that venom? No small wonder you've made so many friends here. No need WHATsoever to launch a personal attack jackwagon.

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I think the tone of your post sucks, how 'bout that? How about just adressing the topic without all that venom? No small wonder you've made so many friends here. No need WHATsoever to launch a personal attack jackwagon.

 

What he said.

 

Fantasy football ain't life and death opie. Stuff happens in life, and there's no reason to pile on a guy looking for honest advice.

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Back to the lecture at hand....I think an abandoned team is an abandoned team. If you didn't step in immediately, I would let it ride.

 

You intimated that personal reasons were behind the owner's decision not to man his team. Fair enough - real life sometimes intervenes on FFL. I would treat it as a ghost team from here on out. It sucks, but stepping in now only compounds the unfairness.

 

Next year you can re-evaluate if this owner can commit the necessary time and effort to your league.

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my point was simply that it's up to the entire league to make sure it runs well. It shouldn't be left strictly to the commishes. I bet several owners saw the team was abandoned and said nothing, but now bitch about you trying to do what's best for the league.

 

point taken, and fwiw, i didn't take your previous post personally.

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Well. apparently opie took mine seriously. I haven't had to block PM's from anyone here in years....

 

I've seen enough of Opie's banter to know that he wasn't being serious with his "you suck" and "they suck" post, but I can see how it can could come across as being rude. That's the problem with message boards, texts, IMs... no way to interpret sarcasm or tongue in cheek commentary (outside of a well-used emoticon).

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We have had a very similar issue in one of my leagues. We have a 20 move max, which costs you $2 each. Each and every year there is one particular owner who is a cheap ass and won't switch a K on a bye week and tends to have empty slots in his lineup each week. I've voiced that this is crap each year but no rule change has been implimented. That being said, I agree w/ many of the previous posts. If there isn't any rule regarding submitting a complete lineup, then I don't think you can try to enforce it during the season. Unfortunately, things happen and FF takes a backseat, but unless this was addressed prior to the season, I feel you need to keep his lineup as it is.

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I don't think commissioners should put any player in a line-up without being asked by that owner. At least I won't. The closest I will come is a rule where I can put in a bye week player to prevent an illegal line-up which would be zero. The player has to be on the team already.

 

I assume this guy has been unreachable? Googled his name and searched facebook? I would try very hard to implore him to finish out the year.

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I have to agree with Rov's, the lineup should be made legit. One owner doesn't make the league and have to go by integrity, not by what one person feels because they stand to gain by it. Do what's right, and be respected by it, instead of a pansys whining. Obviously you already feel you should do something to make it right for the whole league. I for one wouldn't want to be settting a bad example on a situation that wasn't that obvious to begin with but is now.

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I'll go against the grain (surprise, surprise).

 

The commishes set a precedent with their inaction. Given how egregious the situation is being described when it first started and that it has gone on for multiple weeks, someone should have picked up on it much earlier - that's when the decision should have been made. There apparently wasn't even a modicum of effort made to contact the offending owner - which is your second mistake. Now you've got a course of action (or should I say inaction) that has been established and you are asking if it okay to change an established precedent for one specific circumstance.

 

I say no, it isn't. In fact, given the facts presented, it's downright inappropriate to do so. The situation sucks, but that's what you've left yourselves with through your inaction. Let this one go and deal with it through rules chaanges in the offseason.

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